CO - Jessica Ridgeway, 10, Westminster, 5 Oct 2012 - #10

[SmoothOperator]

I feel little Jessica's killer was related to the attempted abductions in Arvada.He went around to different schools looking for any little girl that would go with him or come close enough to his car to abduct.I feel he did offer them candy(The candy man)I do not feel he has any facial hair any more or in the area any more.But you never know.Maybe he has a wig with longer hair on now or hat to try and disguise himself.I do feel someone kows who he is and knows he left.

With good reason that imo could be the abductor and killer of Jessica.. The extreme close proximity of the two attempted abductions to where Jessica lived and was abducted(8miles) and it just so happens to be the exact same place(Arvada) that Jessica's remains were dumped.. Imo anyone would be crazy to not look at this suspect as a viable possibility..

There is however a notable difference(both attemped abductions 9/9 and 9/14 were both little boys) that IMO could or could not be significant and actually imo "could" indicate that the "candyman" is not the abductor/killer of Jessica...at this time with so very little known facts imo its impossible for us to determine whether or not this suspect is a likely candidate for being responsible for Jessica's murder... As I've briefly touched on earlier it is all dependant on what the accurate profile of Jessica's killer is..as some predator's M.O. is non gender specific due to their particular manner of seeking arousal and gratification(I'll spare everyone my going into another long, detailed spiel and sum it up here)..

Point is I agree with you, Ms.Suzanne that it would absolutely be remiss to not look at the "candyman" as a possible suspect in jessica's case..

All jmo, tho.

 

[pinto]

Interesting that you mentioned burned. I've been wondering about this fire. The area is exactly where you would head if you went west on 36 through Boulder after dropping the backpack in Superior.

http://www.coloradoan.com/article/2...ional-Park?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

Yes, interesting. I thought that fire was odd, as we had cool wet weather during the days before -- not typical for wildfire weather. Hmmmm.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

They were boys.

"...Arvada Police are investigating the two attempted abductions. The first occurred last Sunday around 5:30 p.m., near 77th Drive and Terry Court. An 8-year-old boy was playing basketball in his driveway when he says he was approached by a man.

"Our neighbor came out and talked to us about it," Christi Brule, a neighbor of the little boy, said. "It was his son that it happened to. He just explained how the man came right up to him; right by the house in the driveway with the simple thing of, telling him he had candy. You know the things you tell your kids about and he actually used this line."

"The second incident happened three days later Wednesday, again around 5:30 p.m. This time, the suspect went into the parking lot of Fitzmorris Elementary School in Arvada and approached a 9-year-old boy. He again offered the child candy if he would get into the suspect's car. This child also ran from the suspect."

http://www.9news.com/news/article/289078/222/Parents-warned-after-attempted-abductions

Ok.Then I don't know if they are related on not.That does change the whole story.Boys not girls.

 

[pinto]

Ok.Then I don't know if they are related on not.That does change the whole story.

Not necessarily.

 

[carbuff]

It just doesn't jibe with me for some reason carbuff. Because abducting a child in daylight (she was abducted approx. an hour and half after sunrise). Many people are up and about getting ready to start their day for work or heading to work...so to me that indicates he thought about this--he fantasized about this--he probably spent time working out the details of how to get physical possession of her.

Then after reading so many of these cases on here carbuff--you and I both can probably speculate with a certain amount of accuracy what crimes may have possibly been commited while she was in his possession.

He wanted to make ID difficult (if we assume that the reports of the remains not being intact are from him--they may not be) but let's assume they are---he wanted to obscure identity.

Then he drops the remains by the side of a road? :waitasec:

Was that just an indication of the lack of regard he had for her? I don't know but the amount of time it takes to plan an abduction in order to have that person alone with you so you can commit further crimes against them...it just seems to me that he would have planned a better disposal site. That's why I'm wondering if he didn't get surprised by some unexpected circumstances. Something that made him panic and just get rid of the remains quickly.

Just speculating---doesn't mean I hold that opinion---thinking through my fingers

ETA: yikes carbuff it looks like I'm saying your post doesn't jibe. That's not what I meant haha just jumped off with what I was thinking...not directed at your post

LOL, Kat! You should know by now that even if you did say my post didn't jibe, I wouldn't be upset. It's about finding the truth, not my ego .

I'm not sure whatever he did was to obscure her identity. It might have been strictly practical -- as impersonal and inhumane as folding up a pizza box to get it to fit in a trash can. I think some killers think like that. As soon as they're done with whatever gives them their thrill, they just -- I hate to phrase it this way, but I think they think of it as just throwing out the trash.

I don't know. I could be way off base with this. Probably am.

The surprise argument has a lot going for it, too.

 

[tiredblondy]

I have a question for locals. Why in the world do they not bulldoze those buildings down especially the mine opening?

 

[DylansMom34]

I have a question for locals. Why in the world do they not bulldoze those buildings down especially the mine opening?

https://yourhub.denverpost.com/arvada/preseve-leyden-project-underway/XNrlYw0LAQeoS2nrUakqUP-ugc

I think some of the Leyden Mine areas are part of this preservation effort. I haven't heard anything more recent than this article.

 

[iamnotagolem]

Why would you want the buildings bull dozed?

 

[carbuff]

Why would you want the buildings bull dozed?

They look like a real safety hazard, all crumbling like that.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

They were boys.

"...Arvada Police are investigating the two attempted abductions. The first occurred last Sunday around 5:30 p.m., near 77th Drive and Terry Court. An 8-year-old boy was playing basketball in his driveway when he says he was approached by a man.

"Our neighbor came out and talked to us about it," Christi Brule, a neighbor of the little boy, said. "It was his son that it happened to. He just explained how the man came right up to him; right by the house in the driveway with the simple thing of, telling him he had candy. You know the things you tell your kids about and he actually used this line."

"The second incident happened three days later Wednesday, again around 5:30 p.m. This time, the suspect went into the parking lot of Fitzmorris Elementary School in Arvada and approached a 9-year-old boy. He again offered the child candy if he would get into the suspect's car. This child also ran from the suspect."

http://www.9news.com/news/article/289078/222/Parents-warned-after-attempted-abductions

This actually sounds more like the recent attempt when a boy told his parents about a guy age 18 ?that came up to him and his mom took a picture of the guy and LE said it was not related to little Jessica's case.The guy said he was trying to get the boy to go to his ex girl friends house.I wonder if the guy she took a picture of looks like the sketch of the other 2 boys attempted abductions.

 

[Hatfield]

Respectfully edited.

That's interesting since the person who was on Nancy Grace via telephone last week said he could see the activity of LE from his kitchen.

.....SNIPPED for space......

Thanks for sharing the interview. That was interesting.

JMO of course....
Got to thinking about the homes overlooking that area. We have seen and heard about cases in the past where perp(s) would leave evidence or bodies where they can keep an eye on it, so just was thinking along those lines.

When we look at the pictures previously posted of the road showing the East + West view, we can see that the person had a pretty clear shot of anybody coming from either direction, so they could duck down and hide until a car passed. But also got to thinking about maybe if it was someone who lived in one of those houses on the hill, they could have even walked down there if only carrying the bag with her remains.

Most likely that person in the interview just wanted their 15 minutes of fame, but some comments were concerning using the words "actually" and "obviously" a lot. They could have been very nervous in the interview too which could explain some of it, but one part in particular regarding seeing vests just sounded strange to be able to see an FBI vest from a 1/4 mile away unless they were using binoculars maybe.

That person mentioned that area having like a "park" or open area where people would ride horses and stuff. Is it possible that if the perp did live amongst those houses on that hill, maybe they wanted to dump the body there to scare off people from using that area anymore. Maybe they were tired of people using that area that was close to their home, and they wanted to frighten people away so they had the whole open area to themselves and keep traffic out of the area in which they live.

If the place already had some stories about it being a scary place, maybe they thought by dumping a dismemebered body in the area, it would surely frighten away anybody else from ever coming back. I realize that would be a sick person, but I think we are dealing with a sick + twisted individual. They could have had a dual motive of perversion with a child and then dumping the body to keep people away from what they considered their public land.

Anyway, just hope LE pursues all leads and interviews all people on that hill to see what they may have seen.

Also wondering if we ever found out who first spotted the remains and brougt LE out to that area? Maybe that has been discussed already? If it was an anonymous tip, then someone living on one of the houses on the hill theory would be more of a possibility.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Hmm never heard of BTK having a concealed carry license. Nor him using a gun hence the nickname BTK. Mind giving a link? I can't find one! I thought he just worked for ADT security services in which that is installing home security systems and definitely not allowing toting a gun.

Danzn, I don't know if Dennis Rader had a concealed carry permit but he certainly used a gun on at least one occasion. That was when he shot surviving victim Kevin Bright twice.

Overall, there are 457 people who have been killed by concealed carry permit holders whose deaths were found not to be in self defence; that includes 14 LE officers.

http://www.vpc.org/ccwkillers.htm

 

[sfbaynancydrew]

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What are the rules on relaying information found on Facebook? There is someone who has a lot of interest in this case, but lives in another state and seems to have no family or friends from the area.

Hey, quit sleuthing me! . j/k but that's pretty broad criteria for suspicion, dontcha think?

 

[iamnotagolem]

Danzn, I don't know if Dennis Rader had a concealed carry permit but he certainly used a gun on at least one occasion. That was when he shot surviving victim Kevin Bright twice.

Overall, there are 457 people who have been killed by concealed carry permit holders whose deaths were found not to be in self defence; that includes 14 LE officers.

http://www.vpc.org/ccwkillers.htm

Wow that site looks so objective. :what:

 

[GrainneDhu]

Wow that site looks so objective. :what:

If you look in the various categories, there is more than enough information (name, location, dates, etc) to verify the information for yourself.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Well,I'm completely confused now LOL.I have no idea what could have happened to little Jessica now.I'll just keep reading now and see what happens.All I know is at first I felt her abductor and killer was very close(lived or someone knew someone who lived there) to where her book bag was found.I'll look back to the two people who found and turned her book bag in.

 

[izzyblizzy]

Thanks for sharing the interview. That was interesting.

JMO of course....
Got to thinking about the homes overlooking that area. We have seen and heard about cases in the past where perp(s) would leave evidence or bodies where they can keep an eye on it, so just was thinking along those lines.

When we look at the pictures previously posted of the road showing the East + West view, we can see that the person had a pretty clear shot of anybody coming from either direction, so they could duck down and hide until a car passed. But also got to thinking about maybe if it was someone who lived in one of those houses on the hill, they could have even walked down there if only carrying the bag with her remains.

Most likely that person in the interview just wanted their 15 minutes of fame, but some comments were concerning using the words "actually" and "obviously" a lot. They could have been very nervous in the interview too which could explain some of it, but one part in particular regarding seeing vests just sounded strange to be able to see an FBI vest from a 1/4 mile away unless they were using binoculars maybe.

That person mentioned that area having like a "park" or open area where people would ride horses and stuff. Is it possible that if the perp did live amongst those houses on that hill, maybe they wanted to dump the body there to scare off people from using that area anymore. Maybe they were tired of people using that area that was close to their home, and they wanted to frighten people away so they had the whole open area to themselves and keep traffic out of the area in which they live.

If the place already had some stories about it being a scary place, maybe they thought by dumping a dismemebered body in the area, it would surely frighten away anybody else from ever coming back. I realize that would be a sick person, but I think we are dealing with a sick + twisted individual. They could have had a dual motive of perversion with a child and then dumping the body to keep people away from what they considered their public land.

Anyway, just hope LE pursues all leads and interviews all people on that hill to see what they may have seen.

Also wondering if we ever found out who first spotted the remains and brougt LE out to that area? Maybe that has been discussed already? If it was an anonymous tip, then someone living on one of the houses on the hill theory would be more of a possibility.

Interesting theories, although a few points. There are quite a few open spaces in Jefferson County. This would not be high up on the list of "popular" places. Definitely not the most beautiful or only place where you can ride horses. I don't think it is over run by weekend recreation users or anything to the the point where you would be angry with its "popularity".

But I do agree it is somewhere the person is very familiar with either from working there or driving by a lot. I wonder if anyone has checked out people who have worked on the windmill/energy farm north of there? Seems like they would be familiar with traveling the roads around there. Or who knows, maybe they would hang out there and drink when they were at HS "out in the boonies" parties and that is why they were familiar with finding their way in the dark.

They have reported that the Waste Management Company (local trash company) found Jessica's body.

 

[nutkin]

Danzn, I don't know if Dennis Rader had a concealed carry permit but he certainly used a gun on at least one occasion. That was when he shot surviving victim Kevin Bright twice.

Overall, there are 457 people who have been killed by concealed carry permit holders whose deaths were found not to be in self defence; that includes 14 LE officers.

http://www.vpc.org/ccwkillers.htm

Kansas did not pass the law allowing concealed carry of hand guns until 2006. The first permits were not issued until January 2007.

457 is not a lot considering the number of people who legally carry concealed weapons in the US and aren't acquiring CHLs for nefarious reasons.

 

[Madeleine74]

In thinking about altering a body so it's not intact, I think it's done for the convenience or need of the perp. If a perp is going to leave a body (or body parts) out in the open where they can be discovered, he's not that concerned with someone IDing the remains. Anyone who's been on this planet during the last 20 years knows about DNA testing and that it can be done on any body part or tissue or even just bone.

No, this is about him. He took the extra step to dismember the remains, which is extra work and holds a risk of additional forensic evidence getting on him, or his vehicle, or his home/apartment. He'd want to obscure or get rid of evidence that might tie him to the murder. Also, as others have said, it's less conspicuous to be carrying a bag or maybe more than 1 bag, than trying to carry/conceal a person.

Ease of removal, ease of disposal, hide or obscure possible physical evidence that might link to him. I think that's what this may be about.

 

[nutkin]

This is someone who has molested a child before and been caught. Pedophiles don't [generally] attack their first victim and immediately jump to murder and dismemberment. Dismemberment is generally not something that is done during one's first murder. But, in the case of a pedophile who has been previously caught, it could be done as a forensic counter-measure. Because this seems like an isolated case (no other abducted children who were found dismembered recently), I think the latter is more likely. That also leads me to believe the offender is someone from the general vicinity.