CO - Jessica Ridgeway, 10, Westminster, 5 Oct 2012 - #14

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  • #1,041
I'll ask again. Mom said she headed towards school. Which is one direction. Chelesa Park where she meets her friend to walk to school is in the other direction right?

So did her mom see her walk towards to school or towards Chelesa Park? If the friends house is on the way to Chelesa Park but not past it that would make sense. If it's past Chelesa Park that doesn't. Who walks past the normal meeting spot to a friend's so they can be driven to school, when the walk just to school itself is shorter?

Maybe her mom said she saw her walk out the door to school i.e. a general statement meaning she went out the door to go to school. But it's work knowing if she headed left towards the school or right away from it.
 
  • #1,042
Yeah first I heard it too. So was the friend's house in the other direction?

Again, she was wearing a black puffy jacket, so where is it?

Sick monster. I am starting to worry this case goes cold.

I expect something else to show up (coat, boots, something) when the guy starts slipping out of the limelight. I don't think they come much sicker.
 
  • #1,043
I wouldn't be afraid, the guys a coward, picking small children who can't defend themselves. :furious:

Why does this make you not afraid of him?
 
  • #1,044
It also ends the "her body not being intact might have been caused by animals." I have mixed feelings about LE opening up about things (if they really are); it makes it much easier to try figuring things out if you have more information, but it also makes it feel like they may be at a standstill with the case. I'd like to think they're just letting bits and pieces come out hoping to push him into making a bad move.

Confusion, I completely agree. It also could end the rumor about hands etc, being strewn about and seen in a news video.
I'm again in agreement with you about the possibility of the case being at a standstill. I pray LE will catch this monster soon.
 
  • #1,045
Couldn't be at that much of a standstill right with the cross? Possible DNA or fingerprints. They may be connecting this and the attempted abdution of the 22 year old based on location or maybe the Cross was hers? And the killer is trying to show that he's back?
I think he's closely following the case someone that takes glee from being hidden in plain view. That's why I think he was part of the search for her.
 
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Couldn't be at that much of a standstill right with the cross? Possible DNA or fingerprints. They may be connecting this and the attempted abdution of the 22 year old based on location or maybe the Cross was hers? And the killer is trying to show that he's back?
I think he's closely following the case someone that takes glee from being hidden in plain view. That's why I think he was part of the search for her.
 
  • #1,047
I'm not 100% sure, but I thought the park was about halfway between their houses. :waitasec:

That is a long walk in the opposite direction of school for someone who doesn't want to wait in the cold. I'm assuming they didn't go to the park because they didn't want to wait there in the cold.
 
  • #1,048
I don't think it really matters what the markings on that little cross represent. Who knows, maybe the perp's name is something like Isadore Isaac Ickes!

What is more important is: who has had possession of this particular little piece of wood in the past? Who did they pass it along to? Can the recipient account for it's whereabouts now?

BBM

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

Well... with a name like that.... it would explain at least SOME of his issues! :D
 
  • #1,049
Exif on the photos reveal:

Date Time Original 2012-10-11T11:51:49-06:00

Although it doesn't show the true color IMO better photo's are located at: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2220480/Jessica-Ridgeway-murder-Is-wooden-cross-key-finding-Jessicas-killer-Police-release-pictures-sinister-pendant-believe-belonged-man-murdered-Colorado-10-year-old.html
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Have not read this thread yet, so I'm late weighing in. Will try to catch up when I have time. Please forgive if this post rehashes ideas already suggested.

Re the cross:

It's actual size is much smaller than it appears in the photos, at 1.5 inches long. However, for jewelry, it is by no means tiny.

To compare, the diameter of a Hershey's kiss is about 0.8 of an inch; the short edge of a credit card measures about 2.2 inches. IMO the right size for a cord necklace or rosary, or perhaps a keychain.

The cross might be too imperfect to have been sold/purchased, but you never know. IMO it looks possibly homemade by someone practicing their woodcarving skills, perhaps self-taught or learned in boy scouts?

Boy Scouts woodcarving:
http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/BoyScouts/AdvancementandAwards/MeritBadges/mb-WOOC.aspx


If it is varnished, the varnish looks to be worn or dull. However IMO it appears it might be coated with polish or wax instead of varnish.

The color of the wood is darker than is typical for these types of carved items. Possibly polished walnut, or a dark wood from South America or Africa.

Example of a handmade polished walnut wood cross (unvarnished):

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Unlike the example above, the shape of the evidence cross somewhat resembles a tau cross. Sometimes associated with pagan or ancient mystery cults, but whoever made it may have simply liked the shape.

Meaning of the Tau cross:
http://www.seiyaku.com/customs/crosses/antau.html


Example of cross with Tau-shaped arms:
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http://www.autom.com/images/large/RC302.JPG

Note: A cross of this shape can be associated with the zodiac sign Taurus.
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_of_Tau"]Cross of Tau - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]



Re the markings on the cross:

Front and back markings appear to be purposely made.

The three marks on the front could possibly represent a Satanic "666", as follows:

The Hebrew symbol for the number 6 is the vav. In cursive or sans-serif rendering this looks like a simple vertical mark.

Hence, three vertical marks can be "code" for "666."


The Hebrew letter Vav:

http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Grammar/Unit_One/Aleph-Bet/Vav/vav.html

An example: Some believe the three vertical claw marks on cans of Monster energy drinks have a subliminal 666 meaning. The motto "Release the Beast" appears on the can.
http://truthbydefault.com/monster-energy-drink-indoctination/


Though the zig-zag marking on the reverse side of the cross is not formed as carefully as the three vertical marks, IMO it too appears to be deliberately made.

It could be in the shape of the satanic "S."

Satanic "S" Represents a lightning bolt that means "Destroyer". In mythology, It was the weapon of Zeus. Worn to have power over others. Also was worn by the feared SS of Nazi Germany.
http://www.exposingsatanism.org/signsymbols.htm

Some think this is the hidden meaning of Harry Potter's forehead lightning bolt.


This is not to say that I believe these marks represent satanism. It is hard to discern the significance or meaning of this cross and the marks it bears, much less its connection to this case. The above was an attempt to find some meaning in common between the marks on the front and on the back.
 
  • #1,050
Thanks so much for posting this Smooth!

This piece is chock full of information.
Do you think the writers are correct about the body being found in
The garbage bag? The comment is prefaced by stating it
Was made by a police dept spokesperson. :waitasec:
IMO

ITA

This has so many pieces of info/answers to questions that we have asked....i.e. aunt and grandma WERE at work during that Friday when Jessica disappeared... and more!
 
  • #1,051
Is there any religion that doesn't care if the body parts are all there?

I think most don't care, but it's very important in Judaism. It's why organ donation is so low in Israel.
 
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ITA

This has so many pieces of info/answers to questions that we have asked....i.e. aunt and grandma WERE at work during that Friday when Jessica disappeared... and more!

I know, IHAVENOCLUE! I hope there's a possibility LE will confirm the info from the article.
 
  • #1,053
Can someone explain what about the crime indicates the perp has highly advanced organizational skills? I just don't see it and need the indicators pointed out. Thanks in advance.
 
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When I first saw a picture of the cross I knew I had seen something similar somewhere, just not sure where. After many hours of thought I think I figured out when and where I saw something that looked similar. When I honeymooned in Hawaii with my wife we hit up a few tourist shops where items that looked very similar to this ( http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41-bQHlXe8L._SL500_AA300_.jpg ) were sold. I also remembered that the gift shop in the Polynesian cultural center had a huge selection of koa wood crosses ranging from very small to very large.
 
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yes i dont know about the highly organised skills either.......but what to me is a bit of a worry is that he really wanted these things found. ie the backpack was propped up in open view, and if what they have said in that article is true, the bag right on the side of the road......I wonder if he did know that the next day was clean up day? I mean it says there that the landfill was neighbouring.......he could have quite easily gone to the landfill and chances are she may have never been found.............am wondering if the cross was in the bag. This whole thing is so awful........poor little sweetheart
 
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Can someone explain what about the crime indicates the perp has highly advanced organizational skills? I just don't see it and need the indicators pointed out. Thanks in advance.

He had to be organized....
He kidnapped a child without being seen.
He killed the child without anyone --that we know of, hearing or seeing anything.
He dismembered the body ....no crime scene found....no blood....that we know of.
He disposed of the body without being seen.
LE doesn't know who he is.
He's escaped arrest.......

I say he's pretty organized. :moo:
 
  • #1,057
Where we live, I was told by a prevention specialist that I work with that shoes tied together and thrown over a power line indicate where to find a house to buy drugs. Since her career is in drug and alcohol prevention, I think she probably has some insight into this. It may be different in different areas, what the shoes mean. I didn't even know there was any meaning behind them at all until my coworker told me this. I see shoes like that all around the city but not in the suburbs.

'on the liter side'-
Guess, that's why the drug users go to the city to buy their drugs, Jan. The suburbs have underground utilities...

Live in the north GA Mountains. Took the grandchildren to a corn maze yesterday. They had a separate maze, just for the blonde folks. It only had one corn stalk...
 
  • #1,058
Found this site about hand crosses:

http://stores.palmcrossesbyron.com/StoreFront.bok


I googled religious goods stores in Denver, CO. Yellow pages says there are 176! That may not include the smaller non-profit crafts of the world stores that would also have these, or just any craft shops that may make them.
 
  • #1,059
Good Morning all,

Ok so according to the Denver Post this morning Jessica WAS found in a plastic bag which will lead me to believe that she was not placed but thrown over that fence and that is was done quickly.
I do not know how to link but the article says the trash collectors were on maintainence clean up and found the bag which they did not think felt right. At that moment an animal control was going by and they most likely thought someone had thrown a dead animal or something, that was the person that looked in the bag.
This also prompts me to believe there was no blood at the scence as it was all contained in the bag.
 
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At about 2 p.m., workers came across a plastic garbage bag in plain view near a culvert on the side of the road, said Arvada police spokeswoman Jill McGranahan. The bag was heavy and "seemed kind of strange," she said.

At that moment, animal-management officers who typically chase down stray dogs and escaped livestock drove by.

The maintenance workers flagged them down. An animal-control officer looked inside the bag and saw human remains, McGranahan said. Law enforcement officials have declined to be any more specific than to say they discovered a body that was "not intact."


Read more: Jessica Ridgeway: What happened to the Colorado girl? - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_2...way-what-happened-colorado-girl#ixzz29vz4FyKT
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