CO - Jessica Ridgeway, 10, Westminster, 5 Oct 2012 - #14

[The Farm]

Where was she murdered? Do you think the murder scene was somewhere else and then she was placed in the bag?

Yes, I believe she was killed somwhere else. I found it weird that like the next day people were already at the scene paying their respects and if she was killed there that would have never happened.
In other words the scence where she was found was pretty clean once LE swept it for evidence.

 

[shefner]

That Denver Post article is a great one, for sure.

Let's us know that Jessica was indeed walking to her friend's home and not the park that day....

 

[GrainneDhu]

And looking at the case map on page 1, I don't see the friends home listed.

Can anyone recall the location?

Thanks


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I may be wrong but I think that would count as sleuthing a minor. Jessica's friend and his father are not named as persons of interest or suspects in the investigation.

I can see how it may be of interest in looking at Jessica's possible route that day but I hope no one puts the address up here. This is a highly public web forum, it usually comes up high in web search results on the case and if I were that father, I would not want my address on this forum.

I can't do to someone what I would not willingly do to myself.

 

[Footwarrior]

It was said earlier that we are not allowed to mention/show the home of a minor. Someone did have a map up at one point, and it showed what looked like a circuitous route from Jessica's house to the boy's house, leading her out of the way compared to if she had walked straight to school. According to the article it was about 1000 feet from her house to his. The whole thing seems to have been in a residential area, and it went by or through Chelsea Park.


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Jessica's friend's father lived in the location on that map. It would have been out of the way for her friend to join her on their walk to school. If I recall correctly, her friend's parents were divorced. Does his mother live closer to Jessica's home?

 

[shefner]

I didn't think we were allowed to list the address of the friend. I could be wrong on that but maybe a mod could clarify. It would be helpful to know more about the friend's location since Jessica was planning on walking there the morning of her disappearance.

 

[TxLady2]

He had to be organized....
He kidnapped a child without being seen.
He killed the child without anyone --that we know of, hearing or seeing anything.
He dismembered the body ....no crime scene found....no blood....that we know of.
He disposed of the body without being seen.
LE doesn't know who he is.
He's escaped arrest.......

I say he's pretty organized. :moo:

I agree with you. He had to be somewhat organized but I wouldn't call him highly organized.

It takes seconds to grab a child off the street. Could look completely innocent to someone seeing it. She could have recognized him but didn't know him well.

IF he killed her in his home, then how are they going to find the crime scene? They can't search every home in CO without a warrant.

As for LE not knowing who he is, that doesn't mean HE is organized, it just means he has eluded them so far.

Every serial killer is somewhat organized but most of them end up being caught eventually, even if it takes years.

Just to clarify, I think he's done this before. This is not the kind of crime that a first timer would do. He may have escalated, but this ain't his first rodeo, I am almost positive.

 

[21merc7]

I gotta tell ya something, I kinda just went over the description, BUT, it says...

When you lift up a loved one in prayer while holding the PalmCross®, your oils penetrate the cross, and you become one with it. When you give the cross away, you are then giving part of yourself as a symbol of love and support.

Now, IMO, that's kinda creepy. Sounds like a "keeper" to me, merc!!

ETA: A bunch of posters have mentioned getting DNA from the cross....seems, maybe, the jagged edges didn't matter to them, and in it's own way, WAS a "palm cross"....pain/abuse from someone who GAVE him the cross???
Guess I'm FINALLY pickin up what all you guys were puttin down.....

Yep, and also describes why the markings are on them without me going into a very lengthy theological discussion. Lol.

 

[shefner]

Yep, and also describes why the markings are on them without me going into a very lengthy theological discussion. Lol.

So do you believe the perp is trying to tell us he's "three in one?"

 

[21merc7]

So do you believe the perp is trying to tell us he's "three in one?"

No. The markings would have already been on the cross. Think about Jesus and his last days, and the significance of 3.

 

[insatiable]

And looking at the case map on page 1, I don't see the friends home listed.

Can anyone recall the location?

Thanks


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It was asked by a mod that the friends home be removed from the map since they were cleared by LE.

 

[shefner]

No. The markings would have already been on the cross. Think about Jesus and his last days, and the significance of 3.

Well, we have 3 crosses....Jesus and the two thieves. And we have have 3 Nails....each hand and the feet together.

Is this a stigmata reference?

 

[Etilema]

ITA with you, LE mentioned anyone seen "wearing" or "displaying"...and, like you said, the "displaying" might be on a keychain, or even a hangie thing from a rear view mirror.

Also they are looking for somewhere *nearby* that such things can be bought, probably because it is possible to get these kinds of crosses in a lot of places, including many online, so that doesn't narrow it down much. But if he got it locally, someone might remember him.

JMO


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[Etilema]

It was asked by a mod that the friends home be removed from the map since they were cleared by LE.

I could be wrong, but my understanding is that the only people who were announced as actually cleared were the parents/family. Not saying this guy is a suspect in any way, just saying that I don't remember reading that he had been officially cleared.


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[wowitsdark]

Your correct, there is a star of David with a cross for Messianic Judaism, but I could not find a cross with any Jewish symbolisms or inscriptions. I believe if it was the perps he created it himself with his own symbolisms.

I could be wrong, but I thought that someone posted a photo of one with similar markings that they found for sale on a website... or perhaps it was a 'free gift' people received when they donated to a specific organization.

 

[21merc7]

Well, we have 3 crosses....Jesus and the two thieves. And we have have 3 Nails....each hand and the feet together.

Exactly, also the 3 days to rise, the Father, Son, Holy Ghost. Then the zigzag could be the cut in the side.

I really don't think the marks are relevant to the case. I think they came on the cross when it was purchased or made.

The only thing that matters with it is that LE wants to know who it belonged to. It could have been left for a religious remorse prayer or what have you, but again, that will not become important unless it was left by the perp, not some random person lost it or left it there for their own quiet prayer.

 

[Wishbone]

Ran across this blog and thought I should mention it since it mentions Websleuths and even has posted links to all the discussion threads. If this is out of TOS then please remove the link.

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Active discussion of how Websleuths are finding killer below:
You have to join to be in "the basement" with access to "the scanner",
but you can read what they are doing without joining, closed thread just means
discussion is so long, you can still read but not post, new thread is open. You can't comment or ask questions unless you join, but you can read to get all the news, thoughts & processes of solving this crime, better than watching the news or CSI:





http://formercriminalprosecutor.blogspot.com/2012/10/jessica-ridgeway-we-are-looking-for-her.html

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I dont know if this has already been posted or not but it is a very informative article. It has the timeline of events also.

At about 2 p.m., workers came across a plastic garbage bag in plain view near a culvert on the side of the road, said Arvada police spokeswoman Jill McGranahan. The bag was heavy and "seemed kind of strange," she said.

At that moment, animal-management officers who typically chase down stray dogs and escaped livestock drove by.

The maintenance workers flagged them down. An animal-control officer looked inside the bag and saw human remains, McGranahan said.

Read more: Jessica Ridgeway: What happened to the Colorado girl? - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_2...way-what-happened-colorado-girl#ixzz29wIkYewp
Read The Denver Post's Terms of Use of its content: http://www.denverpost.com/termsofuse

 

[Londonrraine]

I agree with you. He had to be somewhat organized but I wouldn't call him highly organized.

It takes seconds to grab a child off the street. Could look completely innocent to someone seeing it. She could have recognized him but didn't know him well.

IF he killed her in his home, then how are they going to find the crime scene? They can't search every home in CO without a warrant.

As for LE not knowing who he is, that doesn't mean HE is organized, it just means he has eluded them so far.

Every serial killer is somewhat organized but most of them end up being caught eventually, even if it takes years.

Just to clarify, I think he's done this before. This is not the kind of crime that a first timer would do. He may have escalated, but this ain't his first rodeo, I am almost positive.

I agree with you. And according to this article: http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_2...way-what-happened-colorado-girl#ixzz29vz4FyKT,
"The 1,000-foot walk down the street to his home should have taken four minutes, maybe five."
She disappeared very close to home. How can people say this is not a local? Is that possible?
How creepy is this guy and how close in that community is he? I think he's woven right in there.

 

[Etilema]

That Denver Post article is a great one, for sure.

Let's us know that Jessica was indeed walking to her friend's home and not the park that day....

And that the remains were found in a black garbage bag.

However, a lot of the article just organizes info we already had, when I wish they could get some more details.


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[insatiable]

I could be wrong, but my understanding is that the only people who were announced as actually cleared were the parents/family. Not saying this guy is a suspect in any way, just saying that I don't remember reading that he had been officially cleared.


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I didn't hear it announced by LE either. I'm only repeating what I thought I read on here. I do know that for whatever reason a mod did ask that his address be removed from a map that was posted here.