CO - Jessica Ridgeway, 10, Westminster, 5 Oct 2012 - #14

[Eileen730]

I don't think the father ever said he saw her at school. That was the kid, who said that he had actually walked to school with her, but didn't see her enter the building, and later the father said that the kid got the day mixed up.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

Maybe but I thought they both said they saw her and teachers also!

 

[Etilema]

Maybe but I thought they both said they saw her and teachers also!

I don't remember seeing anywhere that he saw her. My understanding was that he didn't see her at all that day. If he did, that would certainly be interesting to know. But i do recall that initially some teachers seemed to say that they saw her outside the building that morning, but LE must not have considered those sightings to be accurate.

JMO

Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

 

[sean62185]

Also, I saw someone say that they had a DNA link to both Jessica, and the attempted abductor. Does that mean that they told us she was sexually assaulted or raped in somewa, without exactly telling us? Since Jessica's body(I'm speculating) had no arms, I can only assume the likely DNA they have was from semen..

If that is true, then was this a pedophile? If so, why even bother with abducting the 22 year old in the first place? It doesn't make sense?

 

[Wishbone]

I 'hope to hell' the blogger doesn't know what they are talking about. My brain doesn't even want to go there.

IMO the blogger took alot of the speculation that was going on as being factual.

 

[pinto]

Also, I saw someone say that they had a DNA link to both Jessica, and the attempted abductor. Does that mean that they told us she was sexually assaulted or raped in somewa, without exactly telling us? Since Jessica's body(I'm speculating) had no arms, I can only assume the likely DNA they have was from semen..

If that is true, then was this a pedophile? If so, why even bother with abducting the 22 year old in the first place? It doesn't make sense?

It could have been on the trash bag and the outside of her body, right?

 

[sean62185]

It could have been on the trash bag and the outside of her body, right?

I guess technically, but what? Hair or blood? It would make sense if this wasn't a sexually motivated killing? I just don't get this case. It's just so bizzare.

 

[Londonrraine]

It could have been on the trash bag and the outside of her body, right?

I'm thinking it was in the bag. They seem sure of it's connection to this case. That puts this cross right there, somewhere in that bag, imo.

 

[MLE]

But what would that have to do with the case? (And knowing a little about the organ donation thing, I can tell you that the reason it is low is not because of needing to bury the parts, but because of the fear that an organ may be taken while the person is still alive, since normally organs are taken from people on life support.)

I was replying to some people who were speculating on his religion in relation to the disposal of the body, and providing insight to Jewish perspectives. It's Jewish law that a person is to be buried in a timely manner with all of their body parts. Whole, not dismembered.

Organ donation is unusually low in Israel because of Judaism and the orthadox community also puts a lot of pressure on the Israeli government to swap living enemy prisoners for dead IDF soldiers, much to the angst of many atheist and agnostic Jews.

But I don't think any of this relates to the case, given the dismemberment.

I do think the perp likely has Christian grandparents on at least one side of his family in order to feel a connection to cross paraphenalia. My guess is he's probably Christian in the sense that he celebrates Christmas and maybe Easter, but I don't think he spends much time thinking about the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth from a theological perspective.

 

[Eileen730]

Her mother last saw her as she walked out the door. She did not walk outside to see what direction she was going, the last she saw her was at the door.

We know from the Denver post article that JR route was different that day, maybe bc of the snow. Instead of the park she was walking to the friends house, which was a 4-5 minute walk, to walk to school. I imagine that was the same general direction (toward the school) but probably was slightly different than normal.

So it seems unlikely it is some perp who was stalking her and waiting for her to walk by bc her route was different that day. It was a crime of opportunity, I think.

She probably got abducted bw 8:30-8:35 on the route to the friends house. I am not sure if that route takes her by the park. Otherwise she would have left home 8:30, she should have arrived at the friends house at 8:35. We know she did not arrive at 8:35 like she should have. When she did not arrive at 8:40, they left to get to school on time.

Since they have DNA, and they were cleared some suspects like the mom killer one, I imagine they also cleared the friends father as well as many neighbors in the area. They probably just are not announcing it because they do not want to bring unwarranted attention to these people or make the media think that they were once suspects. LE would not be bringing up the pond attack or talking about a predator at large if they thought it was someone in the immediate neighborhood especially after it has been a few weeks. It has been 2 weeks, I believe that they probably went through all the men on the route and found nothing.

That is why this case is so intriguing. 9 times out of 10 it is usually someone close, and they get the person fairly soon. I don't think LE has any idea of who this person is and unlike many cases, it is probably not someone close bc 1) they would have cleared them by DNA; or 2) they would be watching them like a hawk if they refused to give DNA. They apparently thought the mom killer guy was their man but DNA cleared him., which makes me think they do not have a 2 situation. I imagine all who were close gave DNA.

You would think!

 

[MLE]

No. The markings would have already been on the cross. Think about Jesus and his last days, and the significance of 3.

Yeah, I agree with this.

I really think there's a possibility it might have belonged to a Hispanic guy after seeing how common the cross with three vertical rays above the cross are in Latin American culture. The three vertical rays may have been put on the cross itself since there was really no way to put them above the cross.

 

[b2alicia]

Slightly O/T, but last night I was in a King Soooper in Lakewood. I saw a feisty little girl who kept trying to run ahead of her mom. I went to the little girl and said very sternly, "Stay with your mom!" I said it a few times before she grumpily complied. Mom smiled and said thanks.

I NEVER do this sort of thing.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Ran across this blog and thought I should mention it since it mentions Websleuths and even has posted links to all the discussion threads. If this is out of TOS then please remove the link.

snipped

Active discussion of how Websleuths are finding killer below:
You have to join to be in "the basement" with access to "the scanner",
but you can read what they are doing without joining, closed thread just means
discussion is so long, you can still read but not post, new thread is open. You can't comment or ask questions unless you join, but you can read to get all the news, thoughts & processes of solving this crime, better than watching the news or CSI:





http://formercriminalprosecutor.blogspot.com/2012/10/jessica-ridgeway-we-are-looking-for-her.html

Wishbone, it appears this blog was mentioned by foxfire last night, too.

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8480823&postcount=692"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased CO - Jessica Ridgeway, 10, Westminster, 5 Oct 2012 - #14[/ame]

 

[Pias]

Yes, that is extremely confusing. Where did he get his info? Is his info reliable, or is the Denver Post article more authoritative? I know we go by MSM, but did he get his from MSM? I don't recall it ever being reported that the body was found mutilated and pointing in different directions.

JMO


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

Was it actually facing in different directions, or was it simply the result of animal disturbance?

 

[Eileen730]

That one looks to large isnt the one they are asking about only an inch long and an inch wide

 

[carbuff]

I'm still poking at old murders and other unsolved cases, looking to see whether this person might have previous crimes. I present this miscellany for what it's worth...

A short summary of Janine Johler's case, which several posters have mentioned: http://blogs.denverpost.com/coldcases/2011/06/05/womans-dismembered-body/2284/

This is the other dismemberment slaying I found, which seemed too dissimilar to post the first time I went through. But if Jessica's killer doesn't have a victim preference, it might fit: http://blogs.denverpost.com/coldcas...-head-legs-found-but-victim-unidentified/356/. They thought the head might have washed down Little Dry Creek into the industrial pond where it was found, so I'm guessing it's about here: https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=...vAewHw;Fcx-XwIdqZq9-Q&oq=witt&mra=ls&t=m&z=12. That puts it very near Westminster and Arvada, about ten miles from Jessica's home.

Another "open space" murder: Jeannie Moore found in Genesee Park, also in Jefferson County in 1981: http://blogs.denverpost.com/coldcases/2011/09/25/hitchhiker-murdered/2708/ The name "Moore" caught my eye because both Jessica's home and her school are near streets with "Moore" in the name. Probably coincidence. (One of the Jefferson County cold case investigators is also named Moore.)

In 1975, Melanie "Suzi" Cooley's body was found in Coal Creek Canyon, west of where Jessica's body was recovered: http://blogs.denverpost.com/coldcases/2011/09/03/female-hitchhiker-bludgeoned-with-rock/2615/

In 1989, Sharon Stone was found dumped off Golden Gate Canyon road, which is also west of Jessica's site: http://blogs.denverpost.com/coldcas...s-dumped-beside-road-shortly-after-move/1354/

In August 1979, Linda Hutchings was found "near West 82nd and Indiana." Which is only a couple of miles from where Jessica was found (Jessica's pin on this map is approximate).
https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=...E67-SmtxWx0-o5rhzHA2Yi6mDCS2g&mra=ls&t=m&z=15
But except for the location, there don't seem to be any other similarities. Summary of Linda's case: http://blogs.denverpost.com/coldcases/2011/02/26/hitch-hiker-beaten-killed/2012/

 

[Etilema]

I was replying to some people who were speculating on his religion in relation to the disposal of the body, and providing insight to Jewish perspectives. It's Jewish law that a person is to be buried in a timely manner with all of their body parts. Whole, not dismembered.

Organ donation is unusually low in Israel because of Judaism and the orthadox community also puts a lot of pressure on the Israeli government to swap living enemy prisoners for dead IDF soldiers, much to the angst of many atheist and agnostic Jews.

But I don't think any of this relates to the case, given the dismemberment.

I do think the perp likely has Christian grandparents on at least one side of his family in order to feel a connection to cross paraphenalia. My guess is he's probably Christian in the sense that he celebrates Christmas and maybe Easter, but I don't think he spends much time thinking about the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth from a theological perspective.

I am saying the dismemberment is not related to Judaism one way or the other, because burying all the body parts that were included at the time of death pertains only to Jews, and Jessica wasn't Jewish. (ETA: And anyway a heinous murderer is not likely to be to concerned with points of Jewish law. Leiby Kletzky's murderer certainly wasn't, and he was thought to be a religious person.)

(I agree that the rate of organ donation is low, but it isn't because of the burying thing--it is a question in Jewish law about at what point the person is actually dead. For instance, there is no issue with a live person donating a kidney to another person, or for with disposing of an organ that has been surgically removed. They don't need to be retained for burial. However, I am getting really off-topic. Sorry!)


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Someone said something, either unthread or on the last thread, about it being a good thing the trash collecting crew didn't just toss Jessica's remains without realizing what it was. That made zero sense to me when I read it, because it thought, "How could they not realize it was a dismembered body they were picking up, and just throw it out?" But now that we know her body was found inside a garbage bag, that comment makes sense. If they hadn't noticed that the bag felt strange, they might have just tossed it with the rest other trash they were picking up.

JMO


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

I know it's been discussed before, but this discovery may bring new light to the question about whether or not the perp knew the trash collection schedule for that area.

 

[Etilema]

I'm still poking at old murders and other unsolved cases, looking to see whether this person might have previous crimes. I present this miscellany for what it's worth...

A short summary of Janine Johler's case, which several posters have mentioned: http://blogs.denverpost.com/coldcases/2011/06/05/womans-dismembered-body/2284/

This is the other dismemberment slaying I found, which seemed too dissimilar to post the first time I went through. But if Jessica's killer doesn't have a victim preference, it might fit: http://blogs.denverpost.com/coldcas...-head-legs-found-but-victim-unidentified/356/. They thought the head might have washed down Little Dry Creek into the industrial pond where it was found, so I'm guessing it's about here: https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=...vAewHw;Fcx-XwIdqZq9-Q&oq=witt&mra=ls&t=m&z=12. That puts it very near Westminster and Arvada, about ten miles from Jessica's home.

Another "open space" murder: Jeannie Moore found in Genesee Park, also in Jefferson County in 1981: http://blogs.denverpost.com/coldcases/2011/09/25/hitchhiker-murdered/2708/ The name "Moore" caught my eye because both Jessica's home and her school are near streets with "Moore" in the name. Probably coincidence. (One of the Jefferson County cold case investigators is also named Moore.)

In 1975, Melanie "Suzi" Cooley's body was found in Coal Creek Canyon, west of where Jessica's body was recovered: http://blogs.denverpost.com/coldcases/2011/09/03/female-hitchhiker-bludgeoned-with-rock/2615/

In 1989, Sharon Stone was found dumped off Golden Gate Canyon road, which is also west of Jessica's site: http://blogs.denverpost.com/coldcas...s-dumped-beside-road-shortly-after-move/1354/

In August 1979, Linda Hutchings was found "near West 82nd and Indiana." Which is only a couple of miles from where Jessica was found (Jessica's pin on this map is approximate).
https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=...E67-SmtxWx0-o5rhzHA2Yi6mDCS2g&mra=ls&t=m&z=15
But except for the location, there don't seem to be any other similarities. Summary of Linda's case: http://blogs.denverpost.com/coldcases/2011/02/26/hitch-hiker-beaten-killed/2012/

Wow!


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

 

[Eileen730]

I think she was dismembered because the guy didnt know how to get rid of her.

 

[Etilema]

Was it actually facing in different directions, or was it simply the result of animal disturbance?

As far as we know, it was inside a bag (per report in Denver Post) and not distributed or facing different ways at all.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD