CO - Jessica Ridgeway, 10, Westminster, 5 Oct 2012 - #17

[Yellow]

So a quick question...with all this searching. Does anyone think that the police made a huge mistake just bypassing the Aunt's BF so quickly. If you read the scanner thread when they asked about the family they mentioned a Aunt's BF by it wasn't really acknowledged by the person asking for family information. It kind of seemed like they thought that the Aunt may have bene a sister and young.

IE they talked about GMA first.....then Sarah..then they asked about are there anymore daugthers, police said yes Christine and she has a BF...but from the way the wording went one of the officers may have though they were asking if Sarah had any more daugther i.e. a sister of jessica. Then they mentioned a BF in another city. Then when they asked who had access to the house they only had 4 people listed, not the BF.

Feel that could have been a communication breakdown on the scanner.

I think once they found the backpack or body they had DNA and thus were quickly able to clear all people close to the family and the family itself. I believe I read on the board they have 500 DNA samples so all boyfriends, close neighbors, etc. I would assume are all cleared bc the DNA does not match.

Also since we know there is a connection with the jogger, it seems highly likely this is a stranger or at most a distant acquaintance to JR. It is not someone close, in my opinion, bc almost 3 weeks out they would have the DNA match.

 

[NC Analyzer]

I think LE kinows alot. I am just so concerned . I did have some oh oh uggh moments when I saw the press interview and saw those unidentified people who were standing behind the family. I firmly believe she knew the Perp, if only by sight and limited interaction. She was very social and trusting. Bless her and her family. I have no doubt this will be solved and soon!

The people standing behind mom, grandma's, dad and aunt were other family members. They were Jessica's family. Not strangers hanging out at a press conference.

 

[cfreyja23]

Umm....Shefner believes Pat Brown is wrong.

I concur. Someone who enjoys exerting power over others is going to enjoy toying with police if he thinks he can get away with it. This guy is a total coward, he's capable of hurting a child up close, but he probably enjoys scaring the community from afar.

 

[jennapuppy]

So that would mean she was killed by a stranger, right?

The fact that LE thinks there's a connection between the Ketner Lake abduction attempt and Jessica's murder seems to point to a stranger. However, I believe LE has officially ruled out her parents only. I don't recall a similar statement about other family members. AFAIK

 

[NC Analyzer]

They may have offically ruled her out. I'm saying unless you offically have an alibi that someone can confirm during that time period should she have been offically cleared?

I think you have to understand that LE/FBI know how to do their job. They don't rule people out on a whim. They also don't have to provide the public any reason or explanation regarding why they ruled the parents out. At some point, folks have to recognize that some of this doesn't concern them. JMO

 

[mck16]

What was heard about the aunt's boyfriend was on the scanner rewind, not the investigation.
They were seeking information and potential locations to find a missing child when that information came to light.
It has nothing to do with what happened subsequently during the investigation.
I can assure you that everyone remotely connected to Jessica was thoroughly investigated. That is a given.

I have no idea what was said/hear about the aunt's boyfriend in the rewind. But I am confused (not being snarky) but why is the scanner rewind not part of the investigation? What do you mean they were seeking information and potential locations to find a missing child? Isn't this what the whole thing is about? Why doesn't the information in the rewind have anything to do with what happened subsequently during the investigation.

I truly do not understand why the information in the rewind has been totally discounted. Has it been proven to be untrue. Help me understand. I am not on this forum 24/7 so maybe there have been reports to discount it that I am not aware of. tia

 

[JustyThoughts]

Below is a documented and sourced by me timeline of sorts of all the attempted abductions within the last 18 months in this particular area of Colorado.

:gthanks: SmoothOperator

This is an excellent listing and very useful. I (we) appreciate your time/effort in pulling it together and checking out the stories to verify. I appreciate you stepping up to compile info and time lines like this. I believe this is the 2nd forum where you have done such and it has been very useful and helpful to all us posters. Thanks & :cheers:

 

[Ada]

This guy may not work at all. He may be living off a mental disability check. He might be a nocturnal creature and go to sleep in the morning.

It would need to be something like bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, schizoaffective disorder, or mental retardation. You don't get disability for being a murderous psychopath.

 

[scadder21]

I think once they found the backpack or body they had DNA and thus were quickly able to clear all people close to the family and the family itself. I believe I read on the board they have 500 DNA samples so all boyfriends, close neighbors, etc. I would assume are all cleared bc the DNA does not match.

Also since we know there is a connection with the jogger, it seems highly likely this is a stranger or at most a distant acquaintance to JR. It is not someone close, in my opinion, bc almost 3 weeks out they would have the DNA match.

Depending on the DNA? Does DNA evidence just mean that at some point in time that DNA was on her clothes.

 

[JBean]

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Maybe a better way to look at the issue of who can be discussed as a POI is not so much who has been ruled out but rather who has been ruled in.

The only people that can be looked at closely on this board are those that LE has named directly or in some cases indirectly as a POI or a suspect.

If LE has not named them in such a way, then please do not accuse or sleuth them or their behavior. It is particularly important to remember this when it comes to parents and family members.

HTH

 

[NC Analyzer]

"Stranger" is a fluid word. It is very possible that this was an opportunist who just happened to cross paths with Jessica while on a "human hunt", ie a true stranger in that sense. But it may be someone who is outside the IMMEDIATE known circle of friends, neighbors, family. A "stranger" that Jessica may have recognized but didn't actually know. If there is new information about the family, friends, neighbors, etc, LE will pursue it vigorously, however, until or unless that happens, you can rest assured those people have been scrutinized very carefully and it checked out.

Bumping my own post b/c I don't know if EileenHawkeye got a chance to see my response to her.
:seeya:

 

[aust amateur slueth]

They may have offically ruled her out. I'm saying unless you offically have an alibi that someone can confirm during that time period should she have been offically cleared?

IMO LE would only clear her if they were certain she was not involved, so I don't see why you would think that she shouldn't have been cleared, obviously LE know more than what we know.

we now know they have evidence that ties it in with the ketner park attack, probably DNA evidence that could also clear her.

IMO the mother is a victim and people should remember that.

 

[Snufamonbobball]

I don't know if this has been talked about before, but I'm a bit behind due to my internet being down since last friday, but I wonder if this is a college student. He would have been there for the memorial day attack and then shortly after he may have left because the semester would be over. He goes "home" wherever that may be (outside of the strike area) and then returns when the new semester starts.
Was there a lull in reported similar attacks during the summer months?

 

[FightTheOstrich]

In most unsolved cases, we can point to a reason(s) as to why such as:

1. The victim's body was never found.
2. LE did not follow protocol/was incompetent
3. LE neglected the case; did not devote many resources to it
4. Suspect(s) are wealthy/influential
5. LE had tunnel vision

I bet you almost every unsolved case on WS falls in one, or more, of those categories. But I don't see how any of those reasons could apply to Jessica's case. I think if it does become a cold case, the question, "Why couldn't LE solve it?" will be just as big of a mystery as, "Who killed Jessica?"

I agree. LE didn't treat her as a runaway and immediately devoted substantial resources to the case. Local LE immediately coordinated with other agencies and have worked with the media and public. The family and the community have made Jessica the focus. Witnesses have done their civic duty and responsibly turned away from the spotlight. The family didn't use this as an opportunity to sling mud or air dirty laundry. This investigation needs to become the gold standard for LE to follow in the future. They may not have gotten "lucky" yet but it sure isn't for lack of trying.

 

[Yellow]

In most unsolved cases, we can point to a reason(s) as to why such as:

1. The victim's body was never found.
2. LE did not follow protocol/was incompetent
3. LE neglected the case; did not devote many resources to it
4. Suspect(s) are wealthy/influential
5. LE had tunnel vision

I bet you almost every unsolved case on WS falls in one, or more, of those categories. But I don't see how any of those reasons could apply to Jessica's case. I think if it does become a cold case, the question, "Why couldn't LE solve it?" will be just as big of a mystery as, "Who killed Jessica?"

If they do not get him, then it means the perp went underground. If we think the jogger attempt is the same person and if we think that BOTH jogger attempts are the same person, this perp is patient. He spaces his attacks out or he attacks when there is some sort of trigger. He will attack again but it could be months or even a year down the road.

This case won't be solved until they get a hit in CODIS or unless someone close to the perp turns him in. If the jogger is related to JR then I think the perp is more of a loner, bc otherwise wouldn't he be with family/kids Memorial Day or at least be missed?

 

[Woe.be.gone]

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...chool-in-brighton-reports-attempted-abduction

In this article about today's attempted abduction is the following sentence. "The man was described as wearing a a gray hooded sweatshirt. The maroon car had a black Colorado near its rear end."

Can a local tell me what it means (or any idea what this is)..... "a black Colorado near it's rear end"?

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh: OMG!!

A bumper sticker on the car or 'Colorado' written on the rear of his sweat pants?

 

[Pensfan]

Yeah, I feel the same way. He's hiding in plain sight.

I think he's like the last person anybody would suspect. I don't think he shows any outward signs of craziness.

This monster dismembered a little girl. This is way beyond the actions of the average murderer. IMO, this twisted puke is filled with hatred/evil or he is seriously mentally ill. There are signs.

An individual that is filled with hate....
-arose from an emotionally unhealthy family
-has a hateful attitude which always appears when he doesn't get what he wants
-will not have close friends or a healthy marriage
-will be a liar
-has likely been physically destructive to property and abusive to women
-has impulse control issues
-has no respect for anyone less powerful than himself
-likely has substance abuse problems

 

[i8mypaint]

What about a stalker? I think to take her in such a small timeframe maybe leads to someone that watched her intensely. Someone who knew that she was alone at that time frame.

 

[scadder21]

IMO LE would only clear her if they were certain she was not involved, so I don't see why you would think that she shouldn't have been cleared, obviously LE know more than what we know.

we now know they have evidence that ties it in with the ketner park attack, probably DNA evidence that could also clear her.

IMO the mother is a victim and people should remember that.

Not to be gross but with DNA how can DNA get on another person clothes? Just by touch?

Maybe it's my lack of DNA expertise but if I help a student zip their bookbag is my DNA now on there bookbag?

 

[Worry Wart]

The people standing behind mom, grandma's, dad and aunt were other family members. They were Jessica's family. Not strangers hanging out at a press conference.

Ok thanks. I am new and thought I was supposed to quote to the person I was replying to and that was not you. Sorry ..I will figure this out. Anyway, the press conference I saw did not identify anyone in the back. I guessed they were related in some way or they would not be there. As I said my heart and prayers go out to Jessica and her family.