CO - Jessica Ridgeway, 10, Westminster, 5 Oct 2012 - #19

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  • #861
I hav\e just been able to get back on the forum because my dog got bitten by a copperhead and I have been at the emergency vet dealing with that.

So, has there been any indication that JR knew this person or if any of her friends knew him? tia


Oh wow hope your dog is going to be ok. How scary!!!

Here's a link that has a lot of info you can scan quickly....just be sure to scroll down. It will catch you up quickly.


http://kdvr.com/2012/10/24/westmins...-in-jessica-ridgeway-case/#liveblog-entry-508
 
  • #862
IMO
I am just fed up with people getting out and re-offending once released. If a perp is going to do the crime, they should do the time, and ALL OF IT. Prisons were partially invented to protect society from people that can do them harm, and IMO, once this perp is convicted, then he has proven he is a danger to society and needs to be locked up for his entire penalty.

My opinion is if doctors want to analyze him, they can go to where he is at to analyze all they want, but please don't let him out where he can possibly do further harm to others.

I suppose I have just lost all patience with defense attorneys abusing the system and using mental issues or other excuses as a ruse to get lesser sentences for people and even get not guilty verdicts.
If that was not so abused, I may feel differently about it, but the way it is now, I have lost all patience, and have heard about too many people being let off or being paroled, and they get right back out and commit similar horrendous crimes again.

The next "jessica" needs protected from people such as this, and to me, that should be the main priority regardless of how or why the perp did what he did.
 
  • #863
23 pages begin here but wanted to say a few things. I haven't posted on this case because so many of you said exactly what I was thinking and I respect all of your thoughts, posts, and insight greatly. I was a little shy to jump in!

I'm not only sad about poor Jessica's life being taken in such a horrific way but also that it was by the actual perp. I don't know why it but it does. Not that I feel sorry for him directly. I feel that IMO, he had a warped sense of life and death and a morbid fascination of it. I do think he acted alone. It's actually very scary.

My heart aches for his family as well. How does one ever recover?

Lastly, I originally felt that this was a sexually charged crime but now feel opposite. In fact, my initial feeling although unsubstantiated is that he is gay. Just my opinion.

I think of Jessica often and am still heartbroken about the cruelty in which she died. Such a sad sad case. I am glad though that one less criminal is off he streets in her community. Those poor people and the fear they had over this.

My thoughts as well, but after discovering his identity and various things stated today. Unsubstantiated, yes, but JMO.
 
  • #864
I hav\e just been able to get back on the forum because my dog got bitten by a copperhead and I have been at the emergency vet dealing with that.

So, has there been any indication that JR knew this person or if any of her friends knew him? tia

Oh my.....I hope your dog is okay. In answer to your question, I haven't heard any verification of a connection.
 
  • #865
I hope your dog will be ok

Thank you. Her face is all swollen and hurts her, but doc said she will be okay. She is a wire hair fox terrier and just too nosey. But, scary for me and I feel bad for her. Glad for the arrest but still seems there are unanswered questions. Thanks again.
 
  • #866
Someone had a map where it's possible that he took a back trail and walked with the backpack.

But why bother?

A pedestrian late at night in this kind of suburb looks out of the ordinary. So would a car parked where he would have gotten out to take the trail. A car driving down a suburban street late at night doesn't attract attention. A few people might hear it, but they would just assume it's one of the neighbors coming home late. The killer probably just drove down a convenient street and dropped off the backpack where the houses all looked like people had retired for the night. Nobody noticed his car because it didn't look out of place.
 
  • #867
Sounds like CBS Denver is going to have the call to LE on their site:

CBSDenver ‏@CBSDenver

MT @tomcbs4: Police still at home of alleged #JessicaRidgeway killer. At 10, the call that led police to Austin Sigg pic.twitter.com/pNJOpksj
 
  • #868
I carry rope in my car (as well as duct tape and wire), but mine are for tying on mattresses :) , Christmas Trees, and wiring on broken alternators. Just saying it isn't unusual to have such in a car (or am I really the only one?)

The difference is, it doesn't occur to you, when encountering a child, to stop the car, jump out, grab the child, and go directly to your rope to hog tie that child.
 
  • #869
I repost this post of mine due to that it was one of the last before thread #18was closed.

I also added an additional picture of Austin Reed Sigg.

I would like to know my fellow WS posters opinion, do you belive the robber is Austin Reed Sigg?:


I sent this tip to the WPD

To the Westminster police Department

Concerning Austin Reed Sigg suspect in the Jessica Ridgeway case.

I belive Austin Reed Sigg might be the man sought in this October 19, 2012 Fort Collins case.

The photo indeed resemble him a lot, the robber just have glasses, cap and a little more beard.

http://www.noco5.com/story/19857439/fort-collins-police-still-at-crime-s

Hope this helps.

ARSandFortCollinsrobber1.jpg

Thank you for sending this tip in to LE...

I do find a striking similarity between AS and the pic of the robber with the hat.

And... I have not found much resemblance to any of the perps and the sketches as yet...

Which either means I have a discerning eye.....

Or...IHAVENOCLUE! :seeya!
 
  • #870
If the little brother of AS attended Witt and regulerly walked his brother o school Jessica may well have seen AS often enough around the school and/ or neighborhood with her schoolmate to make AS seem not tobe a stranger per se but someone who "fit"/belonged there/ could be trusted enough to allow AS to get close enough to her personal space to grab her. He may not have raised any red flags as he approached her, likely did not.

tlcox, I read more than post but this had been my theory along with a few other posters.

So sad, my heart breaks for Jessica and her family.
 
  • #871
I can feel loads of compassion for the child he was before when whatever caused him to go so horribly off the rails began. I feel no compassion for the murderous, disturbed young man he became. I hope he is prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and never ever sees the light of day.

:twocents:
 
  • #872
Sounds like CBS Denver is going to have the call to LE on their site:

CBSDenver ‏@CBSDenver

MT @tomcbs4: Police still at home of alleged #JessicaRidgeway killer. At 10, the call that led police to Austin Sigg pic.twitter.com/pNJOpksj

Gosh, I hope he pleads guilty. Sounds like a lot of info is going to come out in advance of any possible trial. Maybe I am being influenced by recent Australia and other UK crimes, but not so sure I am comfortable having a tape of call released of a mother calling to report her son for a child murder, before a trial or a plea.
 
  • #873
  • #874
How many serial killers are out there under 18????

I am serious!

I can't help thinking of gun slingers in the "Old West".. like Billy the Kid.. and his ilk...

JMO
 
  • #875
I worked with some scary people while doing casework in a non-profit social services environment, and what linked the sociopaths together and separated them from the rest of my clients, was the desire to talk about things that interested them in a manner that manipulated the listener and drove the conversation in a direction that was satisfying to the storyteller.

Can you expand a little on this? I'm definitely interested but not entirely sure what you mean. I know a lot of charismatic people who do that. But I was approached by a strange guy in a thrift store very recently who tried to engage me in a long and random conversation about language, of all things. I was mostly bemused, and eventually just kind of cut him off, but all along it was obvious that he was trying to get me to 'follow' his conversational 'lead' and was impatient when I extemporized or went off what was obviously his internal script. ("Yes, actually, I do know what 'romance language' means and that it doesn't have anything to do with romance novels".)
 
  • #876
IMO
I am just fed up with people getting out and re-offending once released. If a perp is going to do the crime, they should do the time, and ALL OF IT. Prisons were partially invented to protect society from people that can do them harm, and IMO, once this perp is convicted, then he has proven he is a danger to society and needs to be locked up for his entire penalty.

My opinion is if doctors want to analyze him, they can go to where he is at to analyze all they want, but please don't let him out where he can possibly do further harm to others.

I suppose I have just lost all patience with defense attorneys abusing the system and using mental issues or other excuses as a ruse to get lesser sentences for people and even get not guilty verdicts.
If that was not so abused, I may feel differently about it, but the way it is now, I have lost all patience, and have heard about too many people being let off or being paroled, and they get right back out and commit similar horrendous crimes again.

The next "jessica" needs protected from people such as this, and to me, that should be the main priority regardless of how or why the perp did what he did.

Agree Hatfield... Imo, any politician that votes against Jessica's Law the next time around, should be ran out of town.. Don't know if it would have made a difference in Jessica Ridgeway's case, but it may save the next Jessica...


Kan. man draws life sentence in Jessica's Law case

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/news/crime/ar...-Jessica-s-Law-case-3975614.php#ixzz2AHLV70S5
http://www.sfgate.com/news/crime/ar...fe-sentence-in-Jessica-s-Law-case-3975614.php
 
  • #877
He's being charged as an adult. Colorado law allows for this under certain circumstances, which include consideration of the type of offense and the extent of any prior criminal history. The law intends this allowance for a reason.

Being 17 didn't hinder him from being fully prepared to commit an organized brutal murder that involved dismemberment of his victim and the hauling of the victim's torso to one area, the hiding of other remains in the same home in which his mother and sibling reside, some serious clean-up somewhere along the way, and the neat depositing of the victim's personal belongings. Whether he's telling the truth about how and when he actually killed this child or not, he made a series of decisions over a period of time that, from where I'm sitting, are not a product of off the cuff adolescent reasoning.

He spent time on this crime. He found ways to not only find and abduct a victim, subdue her, tie her (this means he had a means to do so at his immediate disposal), dismember her body, separate parts he wanted to dispose of from parts he wanted to keep in his close proximity, he folded articles of clothing, placed them in the victim's pack, and left it upright on a residential sidewalk where it was sure to be noticed. Note, he didn't toss her backpack with items she had in it, as the pack existed when he encountered her - rather, he controlled what LE found in that pack and how it appeared when found. Putting clothing only he could have removed from the victim in the pack that was part of the LE description of what the public should be on alert for is, in my opinion, a thoughtfully considered behavior. A profiler, whose remarks were in MSM news articles, said it sent the message, 'I did this, I'm the one you're looking for.'

He's been described in the MSM by a friend as being "arrogant" and he was also described as "brilliant." He confessed to his mother, then confessed again to LE in some detail, yet, in my view, either told a tale that isn't entirely plausible, or, the police aren't filling in all the blanks just yet. It makes no sense to me that he simply grabbed a kid, quick hog-tied her in the car, then immediately strangled her, then transported the torso (where's the part about how she ended up "not intact"?) to the dump site, dropped off the backpack on a sidewalk, standing it up, then went home and hid the rest of her remains in the crawlspace. Just like that? Boom?

And if he did kill her that quickly, in my view, it was because he ultimately wanted a body to control and perform further acts of brutality on for his own enjoyment, and that requires goal setting and a highly organized skill set.

I worked with some scary people while doing casework in a non-profit social services environment, and what linked the sociopaths together and separated them from the rest of my clients, was the desire to talk about things that interested them in a manner that manipulated the listener and drove the conversation in a direction that was satisfying to the storyteller. On the surface, it appears this individual gave it all up because he was essentially already caught, and that may be so, but at another level, I don't buy that he's finished with exerting his control over what LE does and believes about him. He may be telling most of the truth, but I suspect he is enjoying feeling some measure of control over the disclosure of some of the details of what he's done. Frankly, his remark about "distracting" LE says to me he's been closely watching the coverage since its been theorized in the media that the backpack could be a distraction. His claim sounds like a manipulative parroting of that. Just my opinion.

For a predator, it's not just about the killing. It's about the savoring of the entire crime and re-living it, and conveying information in a controlled manner that is always about drawing attention to the perpetrator and his 'power' or skill. It's never about the victim or the families or anyone else. Victims are simply pawns in a predator's endgame.

He may only be 17, but what we know so far about him strikes me as someone who's proud of his accomplishments. He was described as "cooperative" with the police after he turned himself in at his home.

This individual also had the nerve to try and overcome an adult woman with a chemical soaked rag and he wasn't deterred by his failure. He simply sorted out a weaker victim in his culling of the herd.

In my view, he's no less cunning or tactically shrewd than any other predator simply because he happens to be in an adolescent body.

DANG! One of the best posts I've read on WS!! Very, very well-said!


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  • #878
I wonder how many pets have gone missing in that area over the last say, 10 years?

:pullhair:

I really expect to find that there is a history of animal dismemberment by AS...

And possibly even arson...

But animal cruelty... 99.99999%

JMO
 
  • #879
Wow
The girlfriend in the news tonight: "I will always have a place for him in my heart" and "you're not a bad guy, you just did a bad thing". I pray to God her parents will get her in some serious therapy. If she really feels that way, she needs help in determining what a good man is. :-/. Bless her heart.

She, and all of his friends, should be given time to properly journey through the stages of grief. I agree, counseling would be a benefit as she travels this road.
 
  • #880
I'm kind of curious about this. It seems like there is an MSM-verified link between AS and one of the Ketner Lake attempted abductions. But do any of you folks, esp. those with better profiling skills than me (which won't be hard) think he has killed before? Or is it unlikely due to the lack of *unsolved* child murders in the area?

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...ent-in-jessica-ridgeway-abduction-murder-case

Investigators said they will file charges against Sigg in the abduction and death of Ridgeway and the May 28 attempted abduction and attempted murder of a 22-year-old woman at Ketner Lake.

Just a guess...it was the first. I really want to know what was the break-up between the mother and bf in May, because as far as we know, this is when it (apparently) started with the abduction of the 22 yr old. I'm assuming the bf had been around awhile, since he was living there. ??? How close was he to the bf and what kind of relationship did they have. ?
 
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