CO - Jessica Ridgeway, 10, Westminster, 5 Oct. 2012 - #22

[nursebeeme]

Thank you ma'am!! Thought that's what I had seen earlier but I'm so fried from this and watching the weather, I wasn't sure if I had read it right! :crazy::crazy:

of course we won't (most likely) hear about it much until it is over since it will be juvie court.

If he is charged as an adult most likely his lawyer will argue against it (that was called a reverse something and something hearing... sorry I forget the actual title for it)

hope you are staying safe in this weather!!!

 

[mck16]

bbm

This is my thought as well. Maybe the jogger ripped it off in the struggle. DNA was recovered from the cross. It matched the DNA left on Jessica's backpack or body. LE knew the cases were connected. JMO

One of his friends said he always wore a necklace. Maybe there was one similiar ripped off by the jogger and then they found this one at the site where he left JR. jmo

 

[nikb]

Seem to be a LOT of these 'misunderstandings'... first in Golden... now this... IDK I can't recall ever being asked for directions as a CHILD- an adult yes, but a kid, nope.

I actually do, and I also remember it freaking me out. Once I was taking my dog to/from the mailbox and some random guy stopped to ask me directions to a pizza place. I'll never forget my dog, who was a fairly small at around 30-35 lbs, jumping in between me and the guy's car and snarling at him visciously while backing into me, forcing me to back up also. It was so completely out of character for my dog. I shudder to think what could've happened. You're absolutely right, no 8 or 9 year old child should be asked to give directions. IMO.

 

[nikb]

Ohhh, I know... gads...
Of course, now I'm trying to remember who started the rumor abt JR's clothes being in BP which apparently turned out to be true, IRRC. I'm now wondering if what we thought was "just a rumor" was reported by the same media as this latest cross info. IDK.

What I do know is that I have got to take a break from here long enough to make a grocery run before trees start falling. gads...

Could be... even the clothes thing I've never seen confirmed by LE. I think it's probably true, but I haven't seen it confirmed.

Stay safe! Will be sending good thoughts your way along with all the other WS'ers in the path of the storm.

 

[CanManEh]

Hey sorry if this is something that has been talked about allready.....I have not heard anything about it wondering if anyone maybecloser dto the area / case knows ...I remember a while ago the Le saying that they had foun a match between Jessica and a previous attempted abduction through DNA so basically whoever killed Jessica was the same person that had tried to take another person and left behind DNA for them to match the DNA left behind on jessica...What I haven't heard though is if they have for sure connected this kids DNA . Have they said anything about this yet sumething like yes his DNA was taken by police and it is his DNA on jessica and it is also his DNA on the other girl that he attempted to abduct , Do we know it was his DNA in both cases .....

 

[TnVolsFan]

I actually do, and I also remember it freaking me out. Once I was taking my dog to/from the mailbox and some random guy stopped to ask me directions to a pizza place. I'll never forget my dog, who was a fairly small at around 30-35 lbs, jumping in between me and the guy's car and snarling at him visciously while backing into me, forcing me to back up also. It was so completely out of character for my dog. I shudder to think what could've happened. You're absolutely right, no 8 or 9 year old child should be asked to give directions. IMO.

Oh wow!! Glad the pup was there! Animals have a sense I do believe!

 

[kmn]

Ty, absentia & Dee10. I'm just jumping off your posts...

Underlined by me - I'm still a doubting Thomas abt the cross having been found at site of little JR's remains. And who would these "LE sources" be? IMO, if they're not directly involved in the case, they might just be making an assumption just like most everybody else is.

If it turns out that the "sources" are LE officers who are actively working the case, then I'll believe. Meanwhile, I find it odd that more than one LE officer would break the gag order by saying where and when the cross was found. Up until now, IMO, the WPD spokesperson (and now the DA) has refused to answer where and when cross was found.

I still think it was found at the site of the 22 y.o. jogger and that was the definitive thing that connected the two cases. I'm wondering if LE keeping that info a secret was to eliminate faux confessors? (The real perp would know when he lost the cross.)

Another possibility is that the jogger saw him wearing the cross and recognized it after they found the cross with Jessica's remains.

 

[nikb]

Whew... what a relief to have someone agree. Before I saw your reply here I was ducking. lol

If I'm right abt the jogger/cross relationship, then she is hugely responsible for arrest being made. (And can you imagine the relief she must have had when the arrest was made. She had to know that she was in danger of the perp all over again...)

She's my newest hero. Not only was she smart and brave enough to get away from attacker, but she gave one super-dooper description!!! Wow...

A description of the perp (or a vehicle used) was totally absent in little JR's case, but very much needed...

BBM wow no kidding, I hadn't even thought of that about her potentially having the cross this whole time, or knowing exactly where it was and being at risk. Yikes! I hope she's relieved! I'm not sure if I'd be relieved or terrified to know I came so close to such a scary person, but I guess knowing he's off the street would bring some kind of relief. And huge kudos to her for coming forward and helping.

 

[Dee10]

Just wondering what the reason could be that LE photographed the cross the morning after they found her body if it was found in May? I believe it would be too early to have a DNA match at that point.

ETA It makes sense to me the cross was found with Jessica and perhaps the jogger ID it.

 

[nikb]

Another possibility is that the jogger saw him wearing the cross and recognized it after they found the cross with Jessica's remains.

Agreed, this is what I thought originally. Either way I'm glad he's off the street but I'm curious about the connection.

 

[AstroKitty]

I think the cross was left on Jessica as his calling card. No idea how the DNA came from the jogger unless she bit his hand, when he placed the rag over her, or she scratched him. But I don't think the cross was left with the jogger.

I think Austin always wears a cross, and he makes them.

 

[Cashew]

I think the jogger saw a cross on the perp when he passed her the first time jogging and LE went back to her when they had a DNA match and asked her if she could recognize the cross that was found w/Jessica....IMO it was on her remains in the bag.

 

[GrainneDhu]

I've wondered this several times in this case too. Especially when the articles are saying things like "high ranking law enforcement officers." Really? How in the world did they get to such a high rank if they can't even stop talking to the press and leaking details for a few hours? Of course they're not named so it's probably just the quasi-media outlet trying to make the story seem credible, but geez.

I probably grew up jaded by Watergate, so that's my bias upfront.

I suspect that a "high ranking law enforcement officer" giving off the record leaks can be a way around a gag order.

 

[nikb]

Oh wow!! Glad the pup was there! Animals have a sense I do believe!

Thanks, me too!! He was a great, great dog, very good sense of people too. IMO as well, some animals just have a sense about those things. I just now remembered seeing pics of Jessica walking her dog. I bet he/she misses Jessica a lot.

 

[nursebeeme]

I think the cross was left on Jessica as his calling card. No idea how the DNA came from the jogger unless she bit his hand, when he placed the rag over her, or she scratched him. But I don't think the cross was left with the jogger.

I think Austin always wears a cross, and he makes them.

bbm: I was thinking today... maybe he dropped the rag?

the cross at that point wouldn't have to be tied to the jogger so much. If they have dna match between the two cases and find the cross with the perp dna then the cross most likely matches the description the jogger gave.

did that make any sense? It did to me when I was thinking it in my head LOL

 

[smh]

Just wondering what the reason could be that LE photographed the cross the morning after they found her body if it was found in May? I believe it would be too early to have a DNA match at that point.

ETA It makes sense to me the cross was found with Jessica and perhaps the jogger ID it.

That is true. I forgot about the photo being dated 10/11/12. So do you think they called the jogger in to see if she recognized it? Maybe she had given a description that included the perp wearing a cross necklace.

 

[kmn]

If the jogger had the cross or they found it then, they would have released a photo then to try to ID the guy. IMO

 

[GrainneDhu]

Seem to be a LOT of these 'misunderstandings'... first in Golden... now this... IDK I can't recall ever being asked for directions as a CHILD- an adult yes, but a kid, nope.

If you read the Parker PD Facebook page, it turns out that the adult never even spoke to the boy. He wanted to look up directions on his phone, so he stopped his car well back from the intersection and waved to give the boy on the bicycle the message "you can go through." The kid immediately turned around on his bicycle and rode home.

The man's teenage daughter corroborated her father's account.

Sounds to me like a case of a kid who let his imagination run away with him.

 

[IA_Reader]

Hello. I am new here; it took me a while to register but have tried to keep up to date after finding a link right after AS was identified. You all post a LOT though, so excuse me if I dredge up anything that has been hashed out.

I was curious if they've ever released the time of the call to the police on that Tuesday? I question this because of this news piece:

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...kidnapping-outside-bar-investigated-in-aurora

I know that using a chemical-soaked rag probably isn't all that original, but the descriptions weren't far off, the attackers appeared young-ish, they were bumbling and unsuccessful (which I link to the Ketner Lake attempt), and happened right down the road from a previous address for AS in Aurora (a little over 2 miles, and 7 minutes from a previous address, within a 'comfort zone' for AS).

Could it be that perhaps this attempt was what broke the case, if he was overheard by his mother? It concerns me if this is related because there were at least 2 perps involved.

 

[nursebeeme]

welcome to websleuths IA_Reader!:cheer: