CO - Jessica Ridgeway, 10, Westminster, 5 Oct. 2012 - #22

[otto]

Hey sorry if this is something that has been talked about allready.....I have not heard anything about it wondering if anyone maybecloser dto the area / case knows ...I remember a while ago the Le saying that they had foun a match between Jessica and a previous attempted abduction through DNA so basically whoever killed Jessica was the same person that had tried to take another person and left behind DNA for them to match the DNA left behind on jessica...What I haven't heard though is if they have for sure connected this kids DNA . Have they said anything about this yet sumething like yes his DNA was taken by police and it is his DNA on jessica and it is also his DNA on the other girl that he attempted to abduct , Do we know it was his DNA in both cases .....

"Prosecutors in court said they have a confession and DNA tying a 17-year-old college student to the kidnapping and murder of Jessica Ridgeway after sources tell ABC News that human remains were found at his home in Westminster, Colo.

...

Prosecutors said that Sigg's DNA was on Ridgeway's backpack and at the crime scene in the Arvada, Colo., where her body was found Oct. 10. Lawyers also said that traces of Sigg's DNA were left at a crime scene involving a jogger who was attacked in May."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/prosecutor...ct-jessica-ridgeways-murder/story?id=17569788

 

[kmn]

Hey sorry if this is something that has been talked about allready.....I have not heard anything about it wondering if anyone maybecloser dto the area / case knows ...I remember a while ago the Le saying that they had foun a match between Jessica and a previous attempted abduction through DNA so basically whoever killed Jessica was the same person that had tried to take another person and left behind DNA for them to match the DNA left behind on jessica...What I haven't heard though is if they have for sure connected this kids DNA . Have they said anything about this yet sumething like yes his DNA was taken by police and it is his DNA on jessica and it is also his DNA on the other girl that he attempted to abduct , Do we know it was his DNA in both cases .....

I may be wrong about this, but I don't recall them saying the connection was DNA, just that "a definitive connection" was made. They never said what the connection was.

 

[osu]

Hello sleuthers! :wave: I'm new here, but I saw this quote in yesterday's Denver Post article regarding where LE found the cross.

Law enforcement sources told The Post that investigators discovered a wooden cross with Jessica's dismembered body shortly after it was found Oct. 10 near a culvert in Pattridge Park Open Space.

Police strategy may have spurred mom of suspect Austin Sigg to call - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_2...have-spurred-mom-suspect-austin#ixzz2AiwKnZsf

 

[The Farm]

Hello. I am new here; it took me a while to register but have tried to keep up to date after finding a link right after AS was identified. You all post a LOT though, so excuse me if I dredge up anything that has been hashed out.

I was curious if they've ever released the time of the call to the police on that Tuesday? I question this because of this news piece:

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...kidnapping-outside-bar-investigated-in-aurora

I know that using a chemical-soaked rag probably isn't all that original, but the descriptions weren't far off, the attackers appeared young-ish, they were bumbling and unsuccessful (which I link to the Ketner Lake attempt), and happened right down the road from a previous address for AS in Aurora (a little over 2 miles, and 7 minutes from a previous address, within a 'comfort zone' for AS).

Could it be that perhaps this attempt was what broke the case, if he was overheard by his mother? It concerns me if this is related because there were at least 2 perps involved.

I think his mother either heard something or saw something in which case she put it all together.
What that was I have no idea. Welcome to Websleuths!!!!!

 

[MisterMayor]

nursebeeme, Austin Reed Sigg, is not officially labeled a serial killer. Imo this is simply due to semantics and a more fortunate jogger victim escaping his wrath in May 2012, five months before Jessica Ridgeways abduction/dismemberment/murder.. Although this more fortunate victim escaped with her life. Her life will never be the same. How many other victims did AR Siggs have? How will we ever know with a gag order issued?

Nursebeeme, seldom are gag orders issued in high profile trials, but when they are, imo it has very little to do with successful prosecutions...


Below is an example of a successful prosecution of a child predator where a gag order was not issued...

Girl Asked Killer If She Could Go Home
http://canton-ga.patch.com/articles/jorelys-asked-killer-if-she-could-go-home

Bound, gagged and with a slit throat, 7 year old Jorelys Rivera was still alive after being assaulted by Ryan Brunn...

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If convicted, Austin Reed Sigg, who turns 18 in January, would become the exceptionally rare teen killer who mutilated or dismembered his first victim, a little girl who lived in his Westminster neighborhood.


Jessica Ridgeway case: Sigg would be rarity among killers if convicted
"Nobody just wakes up and does this one day," McCrary said.

There must have been earlier evidence, said Roger Depue, a retired chief of behavioral science for the FBI who teaches about violent crime behavior at the University of Virginia and through his company, the Academy Group Inc.
http://www.dailycamera.com/state-west-news/ci_21877347


http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/jes...-attempt-17551624?tab=9482931&section=1206833

I'll probably get banned...but I guess I basically just disagree with just about everything you have said in this thread so far.

 

[otto]

Another possibility is that the jogger saw him wearing the cross and recognized it after they found the cross with Jessica's remains.

"Law enforcement sources told The Post that investigators discovered a wooden cross with Jessica's dismembered body shortly after it was found Oct. 10 near a culvert in Pattridge Park Open Space."

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_2...have-spurred-mom-suspect-austin#ixzz2AiyAkFT1

 

[Reannan]

Hello. I am new here; it took me a while to register but have tried to keep up to date after finding a link right after AS was identified. You all post a LOT though, so excuse me if I dredge up anything that has been hashed out.

I was curious if they've ever released the time of the call to the police on that Tuesday? I question this because of this news piece:

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...kidnapping-outside-bar-investigated-in-aurora

I know that using a chemical-soaked rag probably isn't all that original, but the descriptions weren't far off, the attackers appeared young-ish, they were bumbling and unsuccessful (which I link to the Ketner Lake attempt), and happened right down the road from a previous address for AS in Aurora (a little over 2 miles, and 7 minutes from a previous address, within a 'comfort zone' for AS).

Could it be that perhaps this attempt was what broke the case, if he was overheard by his mother? It concerns me if this is related because there were at least 2 perps involved.

Great observation, IA Reader, and welcome to Websleuths!!! The connection to the kidnapping attempt that was caught on tape has always fascinated me as well. We obviously watch as a male assailant tries to subdue and capture the female victim (before she knocks him on his azz!!!). I do not think I have ever heard it clarified who the driver of the car was. The attempted kidnap victim knows, because it was the driver asking for directions that was the distraction for the male to get out of the passenger door and walk around to attempt the kidnapping. I have wondered if the reason we do not know who the driver was, is because it was a she.... not a he... I hope to eventually get an answer to that question.

 

[otto]

I may be wrong about this, but I don't recall them saying the connection was DNA, just that "a definitive connection" was made. They never said what the connection was.

Police have said that DNA was connected to the backpack, the assault on the jogger in May, and the open space where Jessica was found. They have also said that the cross was found at the open space, so that could be the source of the DNA found at that location.

 

[IA_Reader]

From the link:

The driver, described as a white, possibly Hispanic, clean-cut male, 22 to 30 years of age, asked the woman for directions. The woman started to give them to him when the passenger of the vehicle got out, approached the woman from behind and attempted to put a towel over her mouth. The victim quickly fought back, knocking the man to the ground. She was able to run inside the bar for help.

The second man is described as white, possibly Hispanic, 5 feet 6 to 5 feet 9 inches tall, 22 to 30 years of age, clean shaven, with short hair.

I didn't see the youtube video that others have alluded to on these threads, but apparently it was two males in this attempted abduction.

ON EDIT:

I actually just noticed that this attempt was Tuesday the 16th. With AS being picked up on Tuesday, Oct 22nd the possibility is still there.

 

[scadder21]

I'll probably get banned...but I guess I basically just disagree with just about everything you have said in this thread so far.

Which part is being disagreed with?

 

[MisterMayor]

nursebeeme, Austin Reed Sigg, is not officially labeled a serial killer. Imo this is simply due to semantics and a more fortunate jogger victim escaping his wrath in May 2012, five months before Jessica Ridgeways abduction/dismemberment/murder.. Although this more fortunate victim escaped with her life. Her life will never be the same. How many other victims did AR Siggs have? How will we ever know with a gag order issued?

Nursebeeme, seldom are gag orders issued in high profile trials, but when they are, imo it has very little to do with successful prosecutions...


Below is an example of a successful prosecution of a child predator where a gag order was not issued...

Girl Asked Killer If She Could Go Home
http://canton-ga.patch.com/articles/jorelys-asked-killer-if-she-could-go-home

Bound, gagged and with a slit throat, 7 year old Jorelys Rivera was still alive after being assaulted by Ryan Brunn...

*************************************************************

If convicted, Austin Reed Sigg, who turns 18 in January, would become the exceptionally rare teen killer who mutilated or dismembered his first victim, a little girl who lived in his Westminster neighborhood.


Jessica Ridgeway case: Sigg would be rarity among killers if convicted
"Nobody just wakes up and does this one day," McCrary said.

There must have been earlier evidence, said Roger Depue, a retired chief of behavioral science for the FBI who teaches about violent crime behavior at the University of Virginia and through his company, the Academy Group Inc.
http://www.dailycamera.com/state-west-news/ci_21877347


http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/jes...-attempt-17551624?tab=9482931&section=1206833

<modsnip>. I mean, the "simple semantics" in this case are that he is only linked to one murder...that's a pretty big one.

 

[stillwatersc]

stillwater, Ryan Brunn, first plead not guilty, later grew a conscience, then plead guilty in a plea deal for LWOP to escape a probable death penalty sentence. Then committed suicide in prison days later..

Foxfire - I respect your opinion and enjoy your posts, but I don't think RB 'grew a conscience'. I think he was overwhelmed by evidence and grew a fear of the DP. The similarity here: a young seemingly first-time SK in the making who was quickly captured.
Brunn stole Jorelys's skate from outside her apartment and then used it to lure her to a vacant apartment. So sadly ironic that Jorelys has the same initials as Jessica.

 

[CanManEh]

I know he confessed but was it his DNA found on the other attempted abducted in the area as well

 

[Dee10]

For all his big plans of being a mortician & his forensic course he thankfully he flunked "How Not to Leave Your DNA 101". :behindbar

 

[otto]

I'll probably get banned...but I guess I basically just disagree with just about everything you have said in this thread so far. I mean, the "simple semantics" in this case are that he is only linked to one murder...that's a pretty big one.

My understanding is that the court proceedings were sealed and a gag order has been put in place for two reasons:

1. Sigg is a juvenile, and
2. to protect the integrity of the prosecutions case.

"Sigg's public defenders are asking for a gag order in the case; no details of the evidence against Sigg have been released, and documents already filed in the case have been sealed."

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingn...gg-suspect-jessica-ridgeway-dna#ixzz2Aj3CATxA

"On October 25, 2012 a Judge issued an order to limit pre-trial publicity which restricts law enforcement from discussing any details of the case with those that are not directly involved with the investigation."

http://www.facebook.com/westminsterpolice

link to details: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1M2FHhqM6-C_0QD8JVf7QCkS5wDRzotB4YYczfao5pjQ/edit?pli=1

Colorado Rules of Professional Conduct 3.6 and 3.8 provide the basis for the order. Rules 3.6 and 3.8 can be found at the below link:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/ethics/co/code/CO_CODE.HTM

 

[otto]

I know he confessed but was it his DNA found on the other attempted abducted in the area as well

Yes, his DNA was on the backpack, the jogger (May, 2012, Ketner Park), and the open space where some remains were found.

 

[SapphireSteel]

For all his big plans of being a mortician & his forensic course he thankfully he flunked "How Not to Leave Your DNA 101". :behindbar

He also flunked Serial Killers 101 -

"don't tell your mom".

:rocker:

 

[borndem]

Otto's post copied here:
I'm looking at the floor plan ... need to practice the software ... if the crime scene is his residence, then ... what happened. Did he pull into the garage and take Jessica into the house? Did he go straight to the crawlspace with her?

Did he have a bedroom in the basement or in the area behind the garage?

I'm curious about whether he could have kept her alive for any length of time.
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Beautiful job on the house plan, Otto! Thanks!

If AS did have his bedroom or man-cave down in the basement/garage area, he probably made sure that Mom & Bro knew not to go into his room(s) -- which would have made Mom & Bro twice as curious... Did he change the lock/put on a padlock? Maybe the crawl space was roomy... Will we ever know? Anyway, the crawl space would make a perfect stash, especially if the access was inside the house.

If AS had been sleeping in a room downstairs, it would have been very easy to sneak out & go anywhere & return at all hours, as long as he had a car & gas money. I think JR was dead by the time he got home (unless he had another place to take her). Assuming he didn't, I think he probably brought her home -- his mom was at work (I assume she worked during the day), and Bro was at school.

So whimsy and do-what-I-wanna are the order of the day... I think his interest lay in the dead -- not the living. Talk about total control -- the victim couldn't squirm or even look at him with any expression. He used one order of control when he grabbed her; another higher order when he tied her up; and the ultimate when he killed her. Now he had a body. Just the perfect size for him. Now he needs to do whatever it is that he has wanted to do before she gets stiff on him. Was she perhaps his brother's age? IDK how old the brother is... Sick, sick, sick.

 

[SapphireSteel]

Statistics would indicate Jessica was deceased within 3 hours of her kidnap.

I pray this is correct in this case and she never knew what happened.

Just a note - rigor mortis doesn't last forever. It passes leaving the body flexible again.

 

[tlcya]

Hello. I am new here; it took me a while to register but have tried to keep up to date after finding a link right after AS was identified. You all post a LOT though, so excuse me if I dredge up anything that has been hashed out.

I was curious if they've ever released the time of the call to the police on that Tuesday? I question this because of this news piece:

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...kidnapping-outside-bar-investigated-in-aurora

I know that using a chemical-soaked rag probably isn't all that original, but the descriptions weren't far off, the attackers appeared young-ish, they were bumbling and unsuccessful (which I link to the Ketner Lake attempt), and happened right down the road from a previous address for AS in Aurora (a little over 2 miles, and 7 minutes from a previous address, within a 'comfort zone' for AS).

Could it be that perhaps this attempt was what broke the case, if he was overheard by his mother? It concerns me if this is related because there were at least 2 perps involved.

:welcome5: IA_Reader great post