CO - Jessica Ridgeway, 10, Westminster, 5 Oct. 2012 - #23

[otto]

I think LE knows where. They are not searching any areas and the police tipline is now a voicemail.

Moo.

I think so too. I strongly suspect that Jessica was taken to Austin's mothers' house, where she was murdered.

 

[otto]

Now that I've read more about it (thanks to WebSleuths!) we should probably have one of those things on our house... and now that you say that, I've seen something similar on auto shops. Mostly on the roof, but I can imagine one being on the door, especially at a house instead of a shop.

Question: I know AS was into racing, or his dad was anyway and AS also drove. I'm a little confused on how whether his Dad was still in the scene when this house was purchased though. Does anyone know? If he was, it could explain getting a house with a car exhaust thing. or installing one later.

All IMO, all speculation and wondering...

ETA: my husband's heavily into cars/engines, and where we live in CA we think "it's freezing, get a jacket!" if it's under 50 degrees, so I'll fully admit we're kinda wimps, but he's loved in when he worked at shops with the exhaust things because he knows the doors will be closed and it'll be warm.

The whole family lived in the house in the 1990s. In 1998, extensive renovations were done, including the addition of the pool in the back yard. In 2001, the family was splintered.

 

[mck16]

I am sorry, but I have gone back several pages and I can't for the life of me find any connection to the murder of Jessica to an exhaust vent in the garage. Please tell me what this has to do with her murder. tia

 

[GrainneDhu]

There's a couple that lived near me. One cold day, they used the automatic car starter to warm up the car before heading out. The car was in an attached garage. They weren't silly people ... but the exhaust came under the doors and into the house. They were found later that day. Fire rescue people were violently ill from entering the home. They ended up in the hospital. I wouldn't fool around with running an engine in an attached garage with the doors closed regardless of what cool gadgets can be used to vent the exhaust.

Maybe a good rule of thumb would be that if you can't pull the carburetor out of the vehicle and rebuild it yourself, you probably shouldn't be messing around with running the vehicle in an enclosed space.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Around here, unless it's a commercial business, people work on their engines outside, even in cold temperatures, or they tinker with their car engines in the summer. Carbon monoxide is oderless, colorless, tasteless ... confusion, vomiting, loss of muscle function and death are the consequences of making a mistake ... no car hobby is worth it.

otto, are you comfortable giving a general idea of "around here"?

I know very well that carbon monoxide is dangerous but I've also known quite a few farmers in Iowa who have successfully worked on their engines in the winter using the hose to vent method. I've watched them and passed wrenches. It's too darn cold here to work on an engine outside in the middle of most winters although if we're having a mud winter, it can be done.

I think it's like working with any potentially dangerous substance or device, safety is in knowing what you can and cannot do. If you don't know that, then you probably shouldn't be messing with it.

When I look at pictures of that garage door, it really looks like a vent with a plug in it. And when I consider the go-kart racing, I think it's likely that someone in the household at some point had the knowledge to work safely in an enclosed space by venting exhaust outside through a vent.

 

[otto]

I am sorry, but I have gone back several pages and I can't for the life of me find any connection to the murder of Jessica to an exhaust vent in the garage. Please tell me what this has to do with her murder. tia

This all started with the question of whether there was a cat door in the overhead door. That turned into a question of whether it was an exhaust vent rather than a cat door.

 

[GrainneDhu]

I am sorry, but I have gone back several pages and I can't for the life of me find any connection to the murder of Jessica to an exhaust vent in the garage. Please tell me what this has to do with her murder. tia

Speculation on what the small, round dark thingie in the lower left quadrant of the garage door is. Someone thought it might be a cat door to give cats access to the garage. Some thought it looked like a vent of the type that mechanics use to run exhaust out of the garage.

I don't know that it had anything to do with Jessica's murder.

 

[KaaBoom]

Sure, maybe. That would probably heavily depend on how abandoned it is...for example there are some vacant buildings that I sometimes jog by, and just from my perspective on the street I can see that they're overgrown and seem to be in a general state of disrepair. But yesterday as I was trotting by one such building I caught a closer look at some "no trespassing" and "this property protected by [secruity company]" signs and what appear to be a couple security cameras. Your guess is as good as mine as to how Functional all this is, of course. I have known a couple property owners though, who do monitor "abandoned" property because they are concerned about liability issues should a trespasser sustain an injury while on the property. Also, they may be between renters so they're not gonna put a whole lot into upkeep but they don't want it totally destroyed, either. Just things I would have in the back of my mind if I were hunting for a place to sneak about.

These buildings are really abandoned. Basically ruins of old coal mining buildings that were abandoned before the 1950s. There wasn't any security to prevent Sigg from dumping the body on the property. Here is a map link of the location were the body was found, with one abandoned building in the background. You can move it around and see some of the other abandoned building nearby.

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[b2alicia]

did a mod contact you yet?
I will hit alert button for you

Thank you, passionflower! Yes I received a message from an admin. I will post my message when I hear back.

 

[otto]

otto, are you comfortable giving a general idea of "around here"?

I know very well that carbon monoxide is dangerous but I've also known quite a few farmers in Iowa who have successfully worked on their engines in the winter using the hose to vent method. I've watched them and passed wrenches. It's too darn cold here to work on an engine outside in the middle of most winters although if we're having a mud winter, it can be done.

I think it's like working with any potentially dangerous substance or device, safety is in knowing what you can and cannot do. If you don't know that, then you probably shouldn't be messing with it.

When I look at pictures of that garage door, it really looks like a vent with a plug in it. And when I consider the go-kart racing, I think it's likely that someone in the household at some point had the knowledge to work safely in an enclosed space by venting exhaust outside through a vent.

This isn't a farm, a farm building, or a free standing garage. This is a family home where the garage is connected to the house not only by an interior door, but it is in fact directly underneath the bedrooms.

Starting in 1998, extensive renovations were done at the house, and by 2001 the divorce was final. Divorce doesn't happen overnight, especially when there is property and children, so the divorce could have started in 1999. I really doubt that anyone was tinkering with gokarts in the house prior to 2001 when there were two toddlers/preschoolers at home.

"Court documents confirmed Robert Sigg and Austin Sigg’s mother, Mindy Sigg, divorced in 2001. Fox also found that in both 2001 and 2003, his common law wife filed restraining orders against him for domestic violence."

http://www.examiner.com/article/rep...pect-jessica-ridgeway-death-has-criminal-past

"around here" is where the temperatures range from 90 to minus 30

 

[nikb]

I am sorry, but I have gone back several pages and I can't for the life of me find any connection to the murder of Jessica to an exhaust vent in the garage. Please tell me what this has to do with her murder. tia

I really don't know if it has anything to do with her case or not, but a bit ago someone asked if the unusual looking thing on the garage was a cat door, I thought it might be but then someone else asked if it was an exhaust vent, and it made more sense to me, especially because of the racing thing which is totally a personal bias but it gets me wondering.

As it relates to Jessica, IMO it might help explain a bit. If it was cold outside and she/most of her (yuck hard to type) wasn't in the warmer crawlspace maybe it makes a difference? The other thought, maybe if there's an exhaust vent in the crawlspace it helps vent bad odors? Or other possibly dangerous chemicals?

This is all speculation and wondering, I know we won't likely get more LE info anytime soon.

ETA: I think it's very closely related to the house where she was found and where her alleged killer lives/lived. Is it relevant to her case? I don't know.

 

[mck16]

I really don't know if it has anything to do with her case or not, but a bit ago someone asked if the unusual looking thing on the garage was a cat door, I thought it might be but then someone else asked if it was an exhaust vent, and it made more sense to me, especially because of the racing thing which is totally a personal bias but it gets me wondering.

As it relates to Jessica, IMO it might help explain a few things, one being the state of Jessica's body (the parts that were found) not seeming very decomposed, at least from accounts of posters here who have much better vision than I do. If it was cold outside and she/most of her (yuck hard to type) wasn't in the warmer crawlspace maybe it makes a difference? The other thought, maybe if there's an exhaust vent in the crawlspace it helps vent bad odors? Or other possibly dangerous chemicals?

This is all speculation and wondering, I know we won't likely get more LE info anytime soon.

ETA: I think it's very closely related to the house where she was found and where her alleged killer lives/lived. Is it relevant to her case? I don't know.

Thanks. I was just wondering if there was info she died of carbon monoxide poisioning. I am wondering why no one has mentioned that the body parts could have been embalmed. This is what he was into wasn't it. That would certainly explain why there was no bad odors. And why he may of kept some part of her. For his experiments. I know that is gross and it is very difficult for me to even type. But, it is a logical assumption. jmo

 

[PASA]

I'm a new Websleuth user and I live in Westminster, Co.
I'm just now able to register and join in on your discussions, although I have been following it for the last month. This has been such a horrible event for our community. I used to live 2 blocks away from where ARS lives and my son attended Witt Elementry (when he was little).
This blog has been like therapy for me. When there is no explanation for such a horrific tragedy, I have found solace in the knowledge of everyones posts. (I have always believed that knowledge is power).
I want to thank all of you so much for your information and posts.
Hopefully I can bring new insight and information as more details unfold on this case and information is made available to our community.

My Love to the Ridgeway Family.

Welcome to Websleuths!!

 

[KaaBoom]

It was a cold day, and he doesn't strike me as the type that would be comfortable outside for the length of time it took to do what he did. Furthermore, if he did this near the location where the torso was found, why would he take evidence to his crawl space at home?

Well, if he though rationally he would have never have killed her and cut up her body in the first place, let alone put body parts in his crawl space.

But maybe for the reason you give. It was too cold for him to stay there. So he decided to take the body back to his house. Maybe while he was loading the body parts into his car, he saw another car coming down the road. So he got scarred and had to leave the torso on the side of the road and take off in a hurry.

From what I know about that area from many years ago. I think there would have been pretty light traffic on that road. But there would be occasional cars passing by. So he could have been interrupted while loading the body in his car.

 

[AmyC7547]

Thanks PASA. Glad to be here.

 

[SapphireSteel]

Or, he could've got her in his boot and driven his car straight to his comfort zone/operating room.

If this zone isn't at either of his parent's house, where is it?

ullhair:

 

[kkdj]

Thanks. I was just wondering if there was info she died of carbon monoxide poisioning. I am wondering why no one has mentioned that the body parts could have been embalmed. This is what he was into wasn't it. That would certainly explain why there was no bad odors. And why he may of kept some part of her. For his experiments. I know that is gross and it is very difficult for me to even type. But, it is a logical assumption. jmo

I have wondered about him possibly embalming her as well.
Other than for experiments, could there be any other reasons he might have done this?
Do we know what body parts were found in the crawl space? Were all or any of them found in the cooler?

 

[SapphireSteel]

I have wondered about him possibly embalming her as well.
Other than for experiments, could there be any other reasons he might have done this?
Do we know what body parts were found in the crawl space? Were all or any of them found in the cooler?

I don't think we even know if all of her has been found?

I remember thinking that the phraseology of the arrest warrant implied that NO body parts were found in the crawlspace, just DNA. I remember thinking that could imply they were stored there and then removed.

:waitasec:

I will try to find the link.

:cow:

 

[mck16]

I have wondered about him possibly embalming her as well.
Other than for experiments, could there be any other reasons he might have done this?
Do we know what body parts were found in the crawl space? Were all or any of them found in the cooler?

I have read that head, hands, and feet were what was missing. I don't know what was found at the house. I don't think they have released that. And I can't imagine why those were missing except for identification. And I can't imagine he was so sloppy as to leaving dna on the backpack. It seems to me he was interrupted or he got to a point and didn't know what to do. I think he panicked and that is why he confessed to his mother. The crime he committed was deplorable, but he still is a child mentally. Dumping a torso and keeping parts at his home makes no sense. jmo

 

[AmyC7547]

Well, if he though rationally he would have never have killed her and cut up her body in the first place, let alone put body parts in his crawl space.

But maybe for the reason you give. It was too cold for him to stay there. So he decided to take the body back to his house. Maybe while he was loading the body parts into his car, he saw another car coming down the road. So he got scarred and had to leave the torso on the side of the road and take off in a hurry.

From what I know about that area from many years ago. I think there would have been pretty light traffic on that road. But there would be occasional cars passing by. So he could have been interrupted while loading the body in his car.

That field is pitch black and not heavily traveled at night. ARS has been prowling that area for some time.
IMO