CO - Jessica Ridgeway, 10, Westminster, 5 Oct. 2012 - #23

[SmoothOperator]

It’s obvious his motivation was not just to experience joy at taking the life of this child. He left out the part of sexually assaulting her and didn’t add much as to the “joy” he got out of dismembering her and most likely torturing her as well. I really don’t believe his account of what he says happened. IMO he thoroughly thought out what he planned to do to her well in advance of the abduction. Always just MOO.

As stated twice in my post, all my own opinions from what little information is available. All my own speculation.

correct, imo it is speculation and opinion that imo is quite obviously based upon the information that we, the public were thus far relayed..

those details that were relayed to us were..
-Sigg says he spotted her walking and turned his vehicle and double back to where she was walking

-Sigg says that he grabbed her from the street she was walking along

-Sigg says he hogtied her

-Sigg says he strangled her as well upon his getting her into his vehicle.

-Sigg says that the murdering of Jessica did not give him the rush he thought it should

-Sigg says that it is the above that led to his deciding to dismember her.

Those are basically the exact details that were relayed to us therefor it is obviously exactly this issue of the details relayed to us IN NO WAY WHATSOEVER MENTION, IMPLIED, OR EVEN ALLUDED TO SEXUAL ASSAULT ON JESSICA.. This imo quite clearly is where an opinion is born of regarding an OBVIOUS OMISSION OF SEXUAL MOTIVATION..

An opinion that you are by far alone in and tho, none us have the detailed hard facts in this case[or any other case] we can only work with what we have..and in this case those factoids that we have obviously have ZERO MENTION OF SEXUAL MOTIVATION WRT Sigg's initial version of events..

 

[otto]

I've searched everywhere and can't find if her name was ever released.

Here is my post which gives the links to the articles I was able to find regarding this case.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased CO - *ARREST!* Jessica Ridgeway, 10, Westminster, 5 Oct. 2012 - #23

Thank you. That's the one case that has some similarities to the two known cases. She was dressed for jogging or walking during the day at Clear Creek (10400 44 Ave), and she was found dead with no apparent cause of death ... suspicious (June 2011). The jogger in Ketner Park (May 2012) was jogging and attacked in a location where, if murdered, she would have most likely been found in a similar way - along the side of the path somewhere, perhaps with an unknown cause of death.

 

[Foxfire]

Of course Fort Morgan is about 2 hours or so away from AS's house.

I'm not saying he isn't tied to all these various things, it just seems like it would be a challenge to be covering so much ground at such a young age. MOO

Westminister to Ft Morgan, CO - 78 miles..according to google maps

 

[otto]

This is a great depiction of the house. My sister lives in Colorado and has a house like this.

Thank you ... I've copied the description and will have a look at it in a couple of days ...

 

[otto]

Anyone else have blown margins? Tia

If your screen is set to 100% zoom and images are less than 800 pixels in width, there typically isn't a problem with blown margins. If your screen resolution is zoomed, sometimes it appears that the margins are blown.

 

[Foxfire]

Like to know everyone's opinions of why there was a gag order directed by the Judge in this case...

 

[enzeder]

That's a very good question. It seems like an odd spot for one IMO, but it sure looks like a cat door, and there's been mention in MSM about them having cats.

Looks like a cat door to me too.

From case archive - crankycrankerson's Library
http://s296.beta.photobucket.com/us...dgeway -CO-/1024123-fox.jpg.html?sort=6&o=64

 

[DylansMom34]

Westminister to Ft Morgan, CO - 78 miles..according to google maps

I've made the drive to Ft. Morgan and I live much closer than Westminster, took close to 2 hours.

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[DylansMom34]

I don't mean to be snippy or grumpy, but I really think we are giving a stupid kid who IMO was just starting his crimes way too much credit. I really think his comfort zone was his own neighborhood. Fort Morgan and Greeley are pretty far out of that comfort zone. Of course, I almost hope I'm wrong and that he was the person responsible for whatever happened to those girls, because it sucks that nobody knows.

 

[otto]

correct, imo it is speculation and opinion that imo is quite obviously based upon the information that we, the public were thus far relayed..

those details that were relayed to us were..
-Sigg says he spotted her walking and turned his vehicle and double back to where she was walking

-Sigg says that he grabbed her from the street she was walking along

-Sigg says he hogtied her

-Sigg says he strangled her as well upon his getting her into his vehicle.

-Sigg says that the murdering of Jessica did not give him the rush he thought it should

-Sigg says that it is the above that led to his deciding to dismember her.

Those are basically the exact details that were relayed to us therefor it is obviously exactly this issue of the details relayed to us IN NO WAY WHATSOEVER MENTION, IMPLIED, OR EVEN ALLUDED TO SEXUAL ASSAULT ON JESSICA.. This imo quite clearly is where an opinion is born of regarding an OBVIOUS OMISSION OF SEXUAL MOTIVATION..

An opinion that you are by far alone in and tho, none us have the detailed hard facts in this case[or any other case] we can only work with what we have..and in this case those factoids that we have obviously have ZERO MENTION OF SEXUAL MOTIVATION WRT Sigg's initial version of events..

He did not say that "no joy" led to the dismemberment, he said he took it further. We don't know what that means.

The part about driving past her, turning around and grabbing her doesn't work for me. He would have been in the driver's seat and she would have been on the sidewalk. The only way this could have worked is if he was not driving ... at least I can't figure it out with him driving. Given what happened with the jogger, where he grabbed her from behind and still he failed, I suspect that Austin was not going to let anything go wrong this time ... so I don't believe he called her over to his vehicle. He is only 7 years older than Jessica and we heard from her mother that she wanted to be a teenager ... and he spent time playing Capture the Flag with girls her age ... did he know exactly the right thing to say to lure her in, or did he sneak up behind her, and use a toxic chemical to subdue her?

 

[otto]

Like to know everyone's opinions of why there was a gag order directed by the Judge in this case...

I posted the law that applies last time this was discussed ... a couple of days ago ... when Mister Mayor was commenting on it. It's the law ... protects the integrity of the prosecution.

I don't think it matters whether it is common to have a gag order and sealed documents, what matters is that this case was exploding on the internet and that has the potential to compromise the case. When there is a trial, I'm sure everything will come out. If he pleads, then one version of the story will come out.

I don't think anyone wants to see this case compromised by a talking head.

 

[otto]

Looks like a cat door to me too.

From case archive - crankycrankerson's Library
http://s296.beta.photobucket.com/us...dgeway -CO-/1024123-fox.jpg.html?sort=6&o=64

Do cat doors go on garage doors? I know nothing about cats. Wouldn't it be a lot less expensive to add a cat door to a people door ... or am I misunderstanding?

 

[enzeder]

Someone posted earlier about this: IF you go to the source (Wheatridge PD) they have a release that body was ID, family asked that her name not be made public, pending toxic screen, etc.

I did see that link and checked the archives too but the I can't find any updates after 06/30/2011.

Body Found In Clear Creek Identified
"06/30/2011 3:04 PM An update will follow further contact with the victim&#8217;s family."
http://www.ci.wheatridge.co.us/archives/64/Body in Clear Creek.Update.pdf

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[otto]

I don't mean to be snippy or grumpy, but I really think we are giving a stupid kid who IMO was just starting his crimes way too much credit. I really think his comfort zone was his own neighborhood. Fort Morgan and Greeley are pretty far out of that comfort zone. Of course, I almost hope I'm wrong and that he was the person responsible for whatever happened to those girls, because it sucks that nobody knows.

What about Clear Creek? Is that within a safe distance from his comfor zone ... for perhaps a first offense - which is usually farther from home. As comfort (getting away with it) settles in, the crimes are committed closer and closer to home. He is so bold that I wonder how that happened if it didn't happen during another ciminal act.

 

[csziggy]

correct, imo it is speculation and opinion that imo is quite obviously based upon the information that we, the public were thus far relayed..

those details that were relayed to us were..
-Sigg says he spotted her walking and turned his vehicle and double back to where she was walking

-Sigg says that he grabbed her from the street she was walking along

-Sigg says he hogtied her

-Sigg says he strangled her as well upon his getting her into his vehicle.

-Sigg says that the murdering of Jessica did not give him the rush he thought it should

-Sigg says that it is the above that led to his deciding to dismember her.

Those are basically the exact details that were relayed to us therefor it is obviously exactly this issue of the details relayed to us IN NO WAY WHATSOEVER MENTION, IMPLIED, OR EVEN ALLUDED TO SEXUAL ASSAULT ON JESSICA.. This imo quite clearly is where an opinion is born of regarding an OBVIOUS OMISSION OF SEXUAL MOTIVATION..

An opinion that you are by far alone in and tho, none us have the detailed hard facts in this case[or any other case] we can only work with what we have..and in this case those factoids that we have obviously have ZERO MENTION OF SEXUAL MOTIVATION WRT Sigg's initial version of events..

In the formal charges is: Count Number 9 Sexual Assault of a Child - http://extras.mnginteractive.com/li...0_121657_People v. Sigg Charging Document.pdf

I infer that shows there was some sort of sexual motivation despite a possible self serving confession from AS.

 

[Just Pat 22]

I posted the law that applies last time this was discussed ... a couple of days ago ... when Mister Mayor was commenting on it. It's the law ... protects the integrity of the prosecution.

Just a quick question that has beem bothering me. Sigg will be 18 years old on Jan. 17th shouldn't that put him as an adult in CO. ? Then he has to face these charges as an Adult?

 

[csziggy]

Do cat doors go on garage doors? I know nothing about cats. Wouldn't it be a lot less expensive to add a cat door to a people door ... or am I misunderstanding?

You can put a pet door in just about any place. We've got one that goes through the very thick exterior wall and one (that my husband needs to install) to go through the screen porch door. There are ones designed for various thicknesses of walls and door and different kinds of construction.

As long as the pet door does not increase the thickness too much or interfere with the action of the garage door, it can be installed.

I can see how someone might want to allow cats access to a sheltered area like a garage without allowing them access to the house.

 

[MidwestMama]

Just a quick question that has beem bothering me. Sigg will be 18 years old on Jan. 17th shouldn't that put him as an adult in CO. ? Then he has to face these charges as an Adult?

Charges are based on the age you were at the time of the crime, however, certain circumstances allow even those under 18 to be charged as an adult. LE has already said they intend to try him as an adult. His lawyer is fighting against it but most agree he will be tried as an adult.

 

[enzeder]

Do cat doors go on garage doors? I know nothing about cats. Wouldn't it be a lot less expensive to add a cat door to a people door ... or am I misunderstanding?

Has it ever been published that they had cats?. I shudder to think what may have happened to them if they did have any.

SUSPECT HAD INTEREST IN MORTUARY SCIENCE

Excerpt: "Meaghan Barker said Sigg did a project exploring how bodies decompose. He used skinned rats and placed them in several different environments, including freezing temperatures, covered in dirt and out in the open."

http://www.9news.com/rss/story.aspx?storyid=295910

 

[Wishbone]

In the formal charges is: Count Number 9 Sexual Assault of a Child - http://extras.mnginteractive.com/li...0_121657_People v. Sigg Charging Document.pdf

I infer that shows there was some sort of sexual motivation despite a possible self serving confession from AS.

The sexual assault charge is the reason I have little faith in the details of the "confession" by the monster. Either he left that out or LE did not reveal that to us thru the media. Nice to see someone else understands my reasoning.