CO - Jessica Ridgeway, 10, Westminster, 5 Oct 2012 - #6

[Gabby66]

I don't know either, but she must have either changed or had her clothing removed. LE said not to focus on her clothes or hair as they may have changed. this was after they found the backpack. not sure if the extra clothes were in the backpack or her clothes were found elsewhere though.

Yes, I kinda got the sick feeling that this was a sex crime and her clothing had been removed, then the perp neatly folded them and placed them back in her backpack. I'm not clear what that purpose would be, other than to just show how sick he is. Since the backpack was neatly placed in plain view, he may just have been sick enough to do that.

 

[GrainneDhu]

I keep thinking about what the mother said - how "she wants to be a teenager before she's a teenager". Twin Peaks has also been in my head lately. I wonder if J goes to another nearby public location with a restroom to change into "teen" type clothes. In the process she is noticed. Then she is late to meet her friend wherever he may be, and meets someone or is followed on the longer walk alone to school. Maybe it could be the Arvada candyman and not someone who has watched her and her house, routine, schedule etc.

why not change at school though instead of taking the long way and being late?

When I saw the raw interview footage with the family, my impression was that Jessica wanted to be a teenager in the sense that she wanted more responsibility. I definitely did not get the sense that she wanted to be a teenager so she could have a boyfriend.

Everything her mother said described a kid who was still in that adorable wanna help with everything stage of childhood that many kids hit between 7 and 12 years old. Not all kids but a lot of kids that age are super cooperative and so proud when they can do something responsible, like have their own alarm clock so they can wake up themselves.

It didn't sound like mom and daughter were having any tussles over age-inappropriate clothes or boys or anything like that. The only thing mentioned was that Jessica didn't pick up her clothes (along with roughly 55 million other kids in this country <snrk>).

 

[absentia]

it's confusing b/c multiple people say she was seen at the school but not in class, and then it is confirmed that no students have seen her at school, nobody can verify she was at school. more murkiness.

OK thanks for this. So I am thinking this means that he originally thought they walked together and she walked into the school (but not in class). However, he later realized that on this day, she didn't show up to meet him. The reason I think this is b/c the Mom said in the interview that they called that morning to verify he was walking but then his Dad claimed she didn't show up.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

My guess would be that LE thoroughly checked out the sources of the conflicting information and has thoroughly ruled them out.

I also think that since the Richard Jewell and Stephen Hatfill cases, journalists are more cautious about implying someone is a suspect. With the tabloid press, probably not so much out of concern of ruining someone's life but out of concern for the size of the settlement if they name someone wrongly.

Considering the impact those cases had on Richard Jewell and Steven Hatfill, I think that's a very good thing. I am convinced that the stress of it probably shortened Richard Jewell's life.

Regarding Richard Jewell...He was cleared in October 1996. But a few months later, JBR was killed, and the media definitely went after her parents (And I am saying this as someone who thinks they are guilty). Jewell's case was fresh on their minds but they didn't care. Then in 2001, Gary Condit was also put on "trial by the media". I am not sure if there's a specific case that caused them to change, or if it's simply that the 1990's media is going to be different than in the 2010's media.

 

[sarx]

Are you sure? I remember LE saying she could have changed clothes and even her hair.

I think the thought here being made by LE is a clothes/hair change that was involuntary, vs. talk of her going in a bathroom before school to put on something more "teen" like.

 

[iamnotagolem]

I'm not quite sure what she would change into though. She's 10. It's not like she would have had her own money, likely, and gone shopping on her own to buy the teen clothes. I would assume her mother did the laundry. How would she have had clothes that weren't allowed, without her mother knowing? Maybe it's just me, but if something is "inapprorpriate" for school, we probably don't have it in our house period.....aside of course from some shorts that don't necessarily go to their "fingertips" b/c they don't always like to wear bermudas all summer. In one of the pics, she was wearing a Hollister sweatshirt. That is appropriate for school and it's also "teen attire" so I'm not really sure about this thought. It's a good theory; I just don't know how she could have had these items w/o her mom knowing, at 10.

I don't assume her mom did her laundry. She also could have clothes that her mom didn't allow her to wear to school, or maybe her auntie bought her clothes that were off limits.

 

[absentia]

yes. poignant.

The part bolded aboved has always bugged me ..........

 

[SuziQ]

On the basement thread it is said the boy was mixed up with today and yesterday. I got the impression his dad drove him the day Jessica went missing and it was the day before that he walked with her to school. The boy was asked on the day she went missing and told LE about the day before when he had seen her.

Except Jessica did call his house that morning and he did supposedly wait for her at the park. When she didn't show up......then somehow dad is with son again giving him a ride to school. It gets vague.

 

[absentia]

yes, it was vague. It was before they were firm on abduction. I think they found some clothes somewhere and realized she could have changed or had her clothes removed. they were still considering run away or family involvement.

I think the thought here being made by LE is a clothes/hair change that was involuntary, vs. talk of her going in a bathroom before school to put on something more "teen" like.

 

[Gabby66]

And that just further confuses me. (Mom call to verify that they are going to walk together and then they don't but son says they did? But it's the day before?)

Actually I believe Mom said that Jessica called, but from what I am gathering here.....

Jessica called to see if friend was walking. I believe she spoke with the dad, right? or maybe the son. Anyway, so she's supposed to meet him but I'm not clear if that was to be at the park or at his house, then they'd walk on to the park.

Needless to say, she apparently didn't show and the Dad drove the boy to school. HOWEVER.....when questioned that day, the boy said he walked with Jessica. I can see how he could have been confused, if it's a ritual for him to walk with her nearly every day. He may have said that they walked together (if they do everyday) then later started to recall that actually she didn't show up that particular morning.

 

[iamnotagolem]

it's confusing b/c multiple people say she was seen at the school but not in class, and then it is confirmed that no students have seen her at school, nobody can verify she was at school. more murkiness.

The initial 3 sightings at school, one later redacted by a 3rd party make me curious.

Eta: one by her teacher

 

[GrainneDhu]

I don't know either, but she must have either changed or had her clothing removed. LE said not to focus on her clothes or hair as they may have changed. this was after they found the backpack. not sure if the extra clothes were in the backpack or her clothes were found elsewhere though.

I think that was just common sense.

If I abducted a child planning to keep her as mine, the first thing I'd do is change her clothes and give her a haircut (poor kid--my haircutting skills are limited to white sidewalls and a buzz on top!).

I took the warning as just a general precaution, trying to get people to focus on her face rather than on easily changed details. Not as coming from any particular information LE had.

 

[SuziQ]

But the Mom said that Jessica called him to see if he was walking and that she (Mom) was comforted by that b/c I believe it was snowing. I think they were planning to meet. I don't know what you mean about a mixup but I think they were planning to meet that morning (or at least Jessica and her Mom thought so).

The best thing to do is go to the scanner thread and read the rewind. You will understand what the mix up is about. Although I'm not sure there ever was a mix-up.

 

[yupikgirl]

My thoughts on the meeting the friend: Maybe it was cold Dad decided to drive son and they went to the park to meet Jessica. That could explain Dad saying she never showed up. Or Dad doesn't allow son to walk alone to park normally, but walks him there and when they see Jessica (or other kids that he walks with) Dad lets him walk the rest of the way. I'm not saying I believe this is what happened, but it could explain why Dad was there at all.

I am that parent that won't let my kids walk alone, but I would walk with them (and their friends eek!) when they were walkers. They ride a bus now that picks them up in our driveway (and this is for everyone there are no bus stops here it's a private bus company).

After reading the scanner thread I am not sure what to believe..that's all I'll say about that.

 

[absentia]

The FBI profiler may be speaking directly to the conflict about the friend she did or didn't walk with, when they say that it's probably someone known in the community, nearby, a friend, boss, husband, etc. -it could be a father, too and to look for changes in him. They may know who they're looking for changes in and just want to make sure the people close to them/him are also noticing the changes.

Regarding Richard Jewell...He was cleared in October 1996. But a few months later, JBR was killed, and the media definitely went after her parents (And I am saying this as someone who thinks they are guilty). Jewell's case was fresh on their minds but they didn't care. Then in 2001, Gary Condit was also put on "trial by the media". I am not sure if there's a specific case that caused them to change, or if it's simply that the 1990's media is going to be different than in the 2010's media.

 

[SuziQ]

Are you sure? I remember LE saying she could have changed clothes and even her hair.

That was in reference to three days having gone by and it was a possibility. It was not as someone intimated a teenage type act before going to school. You know, changed into something your mother would not approve of. It was not that.

 

[GrainneDhu]

it's confusing b/c multiple people say she was seen at the school but not in class, and then it is confirmed that no students have seen her at school, nobody can verify she was at school. more murkiness.

In the Amber Dubois case, students who knew her personally placed her as close to the school as the driveway up to the school the day she disappeared.

It turned out she was abducted off a side street that wasn't at all close to the school.

Those students weren't lying, they just got mixed up on their days (and yes, they were interviewed the same day).

Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable for very good reasons: it's unreliable.

 

[MNlady]

What do we know about the family of the little boy she was going to walk with? Do his parents both work? Have they been checked out? Did they both show up at work that day? Didn't his father drive him to school? Was she supposed to meet the boy IN the park or did she usually walk to his house? I'm not clear about why the Dad drove him to school. I believe the Mom said that she called him to see if he was walking and that when he said yes, Jessica was going to "meet" him. Perhaps that meant "go to his house" and they'd walk together from there. However, I got the impression for some reason, it meant "meet on the way". Therefore, I'm wondrering how the Dad would know that Jessica didn't show up, and he instead drove him? Of course, if she was sot come meet at his house, then the Dad would know she didn't come, but that's not the impression I got (and I'm not sure why b/c it could definitely have been the case). Do we know his address and if so, could someone please place his address on the map? I'f like to see if he was on the route to school, or if it made more sense for her to have been meeting him in the park.

J met him at the park every morning and then they walked to school together from there. That morning, probably because the weather was nasty, the father drove the boy to the park to meet her, they waited together, when she didn't arrive he then drove the boy the rest of the way to school. Walking home from school she walked with a larger group of kids. She didn't go to his house to meet him. I don't believe it was ever said in MSM that J might have changed clothes on the way to school, I think that was someone's 'theory' or 'speculation idea'. Anyway, J was abducted within that 3 blocks from leaving home to the park.. . since she never arrived at the park, at least while her friend was there.
HTH

It's in all the early posts. . . J, not her mother, called J, the boy, and asked if he was walking that morning, he said he was so she left to meet him. Her mother watched her go out the door. Apparently the father of the boy decided to drive him to the park and he told LE that when she didn't show up he then drove his son the rest of the way to school. It's also in that scanner rewind they've been talking about, you can read it there. I need to get myself to bed. Goodnight all.

 

[Snowbunny]

I know I'm a couple of thread behind because I've been at work all day, so would someone be so kind as to tell me whether or not its been confirmed that this body that was found was Jessica's? TIA

 

[ZhaZhaHa]

The "rewind" can be found on page 1 a couple posts down I think.

Oh wow.