CO - Jessica Ridgeway, 10, Westminster, 5 Oct 2012 - #6

[GrainneDhu]

I didn't notice if they used dogs yesterday while searching that area where the body was located? Did anyone else?

Someone (I can't remember who, sorry) posted upthread that dogs were on the scene fairly early but seem to have been withdrawn by the time the media really got there in force.

 

[SurfieTX]

Westminster Police ‏@WestminsterPD
Many in Westminster and other communities are wearing purple today to show support for #jessicaridgeway family

 

[Foxfire]

But being AWARE does not stop it from happening!


We are AWARE these men are out there.
They shouldnt be! We arrest them and release them over and over again
We tell them to register they dont they leave the state and go somewhere else.

Its time to get some vacant land and put all these pedophilles and SO's there
and keep them there forever. Let them rape each other!

RE: AWARE does not stop it from happening!

A very tragic irony; 'Colorado, has refused to pass Jessica's Law'?

"Guess, we are witnessing the tragic results"...

Eileen730, many laws such as Jessica's Law are being passed that will eventually make a difference, imo. Only 5 or 6 US states have refused to pass Jessica's Law: Colorado, New Jersey, Vermont, Illinois, Idaho, & New York..
http://www.billoreilly.com/jessicaslaw

What is Jessica's Law?

Named in memory of Jessica Lunsford, who was abducted and sexually assaulted before being brutally murdered, "Jessica's Law" refers to the Jessica Lunsford Act passed in Florida which mandates a minimum sentence of 25 years and a maximum of life in prison for first-time child sex offenders.

Read more on the Jessica Lunsford Act
Federal Database of Sex Offenders


Jessica's Law is the informal name given to a 2005 Florida law, as well as laws in several other states, designed to protect potential victims and reduce a sexual offender's ability to re-offend.

We are in the middle of a presidential election, Eileen730. Not once have I heard a candidate mention the Silent Epidemic of missing/murdered children/persons. Together, we can bring this very important Public Safety matter to the forefront..

 

[oceanblueeyes]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/jessica-ri...-behavioral-profile-suspect/story?id=17460629

Investigators are now focusing on cellphone towers near Jessica's Westminster, Colo., home, where her backpack was found and where the remains were discovered in Arvada, Colo. If a phone number registers at all three towers, it could lead to a suspect.

Police haven't officially tied the crime scene at the Pattridge Park open space to the missing girl. But investigators have reasons to believe it is the body of the girl who vanished Friday on her walk to school, stressing that a positive identification will take time, according to three sources.

If the predator is local the open spaces where the body was found will mean something to him personally, imo. He has been there before and felt comfortable leaving her remains in that area.

Perps like this use disposal sites they are familiar with if they are local.

 

[angelmom]

RE: AWARE does not stop it from happening!

A very tragic irony; 'Colorado, has refused to pass Jessica's Law'?

"Guess, we are witnessing the tragic results"...

Eileen730, many laws such as Jessica's Law are being passed that will eventually make a difference, imo. Only 5 or 6 US states have refused to pass Jessica's Law: Colorado, New Jersey, Vermont, Illinois, Idaho, & New York..
http://www.billoreilly.com/jessicaslaw

What is Jessica's Law?

Named in memory of Jessica Lunsford, who was abducted and sexually assaulted before being brutally murdered, "Jessica's Law" refers to the Jessica Lunsford Act passed in Florida which mandates a minimum sentence of 25 years and a maximum of life in prison for first-time child sex offenders.

Read more on the Jessica Lunsford Act
Federal Database of Sex Offenders


Jessica's Law is the informal name given to a 2005 Florida law, as well as laws in several other states, designed to protect potential victims and reduce a sexual offender's ability to re-offend.

We are in the middle of a presidential election, Eileen730. Not once have I heard a candidate mention the Silent Epidemic of missing/murdered children/persons. Together, we can bring this very important Public Safety matter to the forefront..

Interesting that Colorado may indeed end up with a version of Jessica's Law...because of another Jessica.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

I'm in this club too. When I was about 7 in 1976 in So Cal a guy tried taking me out of the front yard. Unfortunately U waited an hour before telling anyone (I was embarrassed because he started talking to me about his penis first. My parents called the police...there was a helicopter looking for him. Ad far as I know they never got him. That's a guilt I carry with me..,,that I waited to tell.

Please please please don't carry that guilt, you have nothing to feel guilty about, you were only a young child.

I was raped at 15 and I used to think it was my fault, it wasn't I didn't commit a crime. The blame is only on the person who commits the crime, not on their victims. Lay those chains of guilt aside, you have no reason to feel guilt.

 

[Etilema]

I don't think that's necessarily the reason. Per capita the US has a much higher murder rate than other industrialized countries. I don't know how it compares per capita for child abduction though.

Just doing a little Googling, I see repeated the statistic that there are 100-300 stranger abductions in the US per year (with an apparent trend downward since the 1980s). That would seem to work out to less than 1 per million, right?

Also saw this, which fits with my thinking that by the time Jessica's backpack was discovered she was already dead:

"Of abducted children who are ultimately murdered, 74 percent are dead within three hours of the abduction (State of Washington's Office of the Attorney General; National Center of Missing and Exploited Children)"


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[Gabby66]

Since the FBI thinks this is the work of an "experienced killer" who's likely done this before, wouldn't an "experienced killer" know not to take along his cell phone? I'd think he'd know about cell phone pings. My guess is that research won't lead to much, but I could be totally wrong. I just get the feeling this this person is very calculating and probably thought of EVERYTHING. If he was watching her for awhile, he may have been preparing for this for a long time, having everything ready at home, and everything planned out for his coverup. Or, what's even more sick, is that he may have done this several times before so it has bcome "routine" to him. Yuck.

 

[Footwarrior]

Footwarrior, it was prolly folks serving out their community service, imo.
Ironically, even with the tremendous amount of resources used in the search for Jessica Ridgeway, most abduction victims and other missing/murdered persons are eventually located by hunters, fishermen, hikers, dog walkers, and other outdoors persons...
The American public is the eyes and ears and a very valuable resource for investigators..

Talked with my neighbors yesterday while watching the search. We are really glad the workers found it instead of one of us.

 

[Gabby66]

O/T - I have been reading all about the "lock outs" and feeling very safe here in my community. No one can get in without pressing a doorbell and the school office staff letting you in. We also have an electronic system which notifies parents by e-mail if your child misses more than 3 periods of school. BUT - today I feel deflated. My child missed school yesterday because she was sick. She has Autism. I notified her teacher, but did not get an e-mail from the office staff to notify me that she wasn't there. I called this morning to ask why and was told that they have a new computer system and haven't gotten that part set up yet. Seriously? It's OCTOBER!

 

[MamaJoJo]

RE: AWARE does not stop it from happening!

A very tragic irony; 'Colorado, has refused to pass Jessica's Law'?

"Guess, we are witnessing the tragic results"...

Eileen730, many laws such as Jessica's Law are being passed that will eventually make a difference, imo. Only 5 or 6 US states have refused to pass Jessica's Law: Colorado, New Jersey, Vermont, Illinois, Idaho, & New York..
http://www.billoreilly.com/jessicaslaw



Thanks for the link, Foxfire. I'm living in New Jersey and just signed the petition.

 

[Marilynilpa]

Every time this comes up I have a thought, but until now I haven't had the chance to post it. We really don't know that the dogs TRACKED scent. We only know that the handlers and the dogs walked towards the elementary school and back - and it may have just been an exploration for a scent trail. Unless LE or a handler says directly that they were following a scent trail, there really is no way to know this just by watching. I hope Sarx sees this and chimes in on it. I also hope it makes sense.

I learned what I know about tracking dogs from Sarx and GrainneDhu on the Lyric and Elizabeth thread, so I'm obviously no expert. But I recall reading several posts regarding a scent trail, and how a casual observer cannot really tell what the dog is sniffing. It may look like the dog is following a scent trail when, like you said, it may just be an exploration for a scent trail. JMO

 

[cluciano63]

Since the FBI thinks this is the work of an "experienced killer" who's likely done this before, wouldn't an "experienced killer" know not to take along his cell phone? I'd think he'd know about cell phone pings. My guess is that research won't lead to much, but I could be totally wrong. I just get the feeling this this person is very calculating and probably thought of EVERYTHING. If he was watching her for awhile, he may have been preparing for this for a long time, having everything ready at home, and everything planned out for his coverup. Or, what's even more sick, is that he may have done this several times before so it has bcome "routine" to him. Yuck.

Luckily, even the "experienced" criminals make mistakes, a la BTK and others. LE has to hope this one did too. I am not 100% convinced this is a serial-type killer; possibly a child molester who worked his way up, and acted that morning on impulse.

 

[mmmagique]

I never thought it could get worse than Zahra Baker till today.

In my opinion it's not worse. Poor Zahra suffered for months or years. The physical, emotional and mental torture that child suffered...it's devastating.

The pictures we see of Jessica show a happy, well adjusted child with a good life. That's how I prefer to remember her.

She may have suffered (God forbid) for minutes, hours or days, but I can't compare it to the hell little Zahra lived for so long.

 

[manzana]

A very tragic irony; 'Colorado, has refused to pass Jessica's Law'?

and possibly with good reason, Jessica's Law was poorly written with good intentions.

I would say support it fully if the mandatory 25 was taken out, an 18 year old being sentenced will get out at 43 years of age with way too much time on their hands.


Whoever commits these horrible acts on children need to be put away LWOP

 

[Footwarrior]

I am surprised that there are actually three different towers to triangulate.

IE Backpack, body and home locations. These places are so close to each other I would have thought one tower to be sufficient?

I guess in this area they do not have to say, Can you hear me now?

Yes we do. My cell phone doesn't work in the area where the body was found. I don't know if Verizon users can get a signal from that location.

 

[Gabby66]

Luckily, even the "experienced" criminals make mistakes, a la BTK and others. LE has to hope this one did too. I am not 100% convinced this is a serial-type killer; possibly a child molester who worked his way up, and acted that morning on impulse.

I've thought about this too. There's enough stuff on TV showing how people cover up crimes, on the CSI type shows, that I think a lot of inexperienced killers might be able to figure out to dismember a body to get rid of evidence. But.....I got the feeling that maybe there was more. Perhaps it's the WAY in which it was done that leads FBI to think the guy is experienced. Perhaps it was his Brazen approach to leaving the backpack. I'm sure they analyze everything. I'm thinking that an inexperienced guy may dismember, but would he fold up clothing and place it all in a backpack (assuming that was even done), then leave it out in the open? I don't know. I'm just saying that who knows what LE has that we don't know about yet? There could be many factors pointing to this being someone who's experienced???

 

[Tracey4AU]

Good morning, y'all.... thanks for all the updates. They are so appreciated!

 

[Foxfire]

Luckily, even the "experienced" criminals make mistakes, a la BTK and others. LE has to hope this one did too. I am not 100% convinced this is a serial-type killer; possibly a child molester who worked his way up, and acted that morning on impulse.

cluciano63, I honor and respect your opinion, but have you ever seen a sexual predator that begins to live out their deviant fantasies by dismembering their first victim? To escalate to this sadistical level of ritual murder usually takes years or decades and multiple victims.

 

[cluciano63]

Has LE confirmed that she/the victim was dismembered by the killer?