CO - Jessica Ridgeway, 10, Westminster, 5 Oct 2012 - #6

[cluciano63]

Has the FBI said they think this is an experienced perp or was it just Clint van Zant, retired FBI and now a talking head?

I did not hear the current FBI rep say it. I am only going by what actual, present LE is saying in this case. Not interested in the musings of paid "news" show guests.

 

[PrayingForMissing]

My daughter and her friend wanted to go to the mall not too long ago. By themselves. I remember that I *used* to do that, when I was *their* age. But still, I couldnt bring myself to say yes. The friend's mom was on the way to drop them off, and I could NOT make myself be okay with it. At all. (My daughter is 12, friend was 11, almost 12).

I called and told them nope. It didnt feel right to me and I couldnt go along with it. If they wanted to go to the mall, I would meet them there. I wouldnt make them walk around with me, but I WOULD be nearby if they needed me, IN the MALL.

Yesterday, I see THIS on our news. At the exact same mall. http://www.kktv.com/home/headlines/Arrest-Made-In-Sexual-Assault-At-Mall-173684341.html This sicko is arrested for grabbing a 12-year old little girl in an "inappropriate manner" INSIDE the mall. Thankfully that is "all" he got away with.

Thank you, God, for a mother's intuition.

ETA: We are a little over an hour away from where Jessica lives.

 

[absentia]

that sighting is in the police transcript from the day she went missing. I believe items were in that location too but it's not 100% clear.

I seem to recall a sighting of Jessica near the Rec centre at about 830am. Is that right? walking south.

What was she doing there when she should have been at the park to meet J?

And while I'm pondering..... we don't know for sure that J's dad said J was walking that day. Jessica made the call, and Jessica told her mother J was meeting her as usual. What if Jessica wasn't truthful, because, being independant, she wanted to walk on her own but knew her Mother wouldn't allow it.
This could kinda explain why she was at the rec centre and not the park at 830am. No need to be at the park if there is nobody to meet. If indeed that sighting is reliable.

 

[luckyme]

I haven't really said this yet, but the very first images of the people taking pictures and viewing the scene from the top of the firetruck ladder made me wonder if there was some sort of staging that they wanted to photograph before they moved or disturbed anything. It would also help them to (possibly) see where any other missing evidence might be.

I don't know why, but I am reminded of the case at the University of Florida where the college students were dismembered and displayed. That case is very different in most ways, but it keeps popping into my head.

In that case, Danny Rolling had murdered before, but no one knew that until after he had been caught and tried for the UF murders.

Danny Rolling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I remember that. My husband went to uf. It was so scary! That guy was a loon! moo

 

[GrainneDhu]

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/27/s...-cases-offer-clues.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

Who Would Abduct a Child? Previous Cases Offer Clues

By MARY DUENWALD
Published: August 27, 2002
(snipped-read more)

What kind of person does such a thing?

After studying hundreds of cases, scientists can provide at least a partial answer. The broad population of child molesters, most of whom do not abduct their victims, is too diverse to fit a single psychological profile, but the far smaller group of those who abduct and keep children for sexual abuse share common traits.

Thank you for that link!

I found the following quite pertinent:

Abductors usually have very little, if any, contact with children in their daily lives.

That distinguishes them from a great majority of child molesters who are able to coerce victims by winning their trust and friendship.

''Why do these particular child molesters abduct?'' Mr. Lanning asked. ''Because they lack the interpersonal skills to attract, befriend and seduce their victims.''
For that reason, they are more likely than other molesters to use guns, knives or other force to commit their crimes.

 

[Boodles]

GRAPHIC WARNING: And I wouldn't even know how one would go about that wihtout making a lot of noise. I'd think that people in surrounding homes would have noticed noise like that, coming from their neighbor's home. I suppose he could have taken her elsewhere, like to a cabin or something. Hopefully that's being investigated - how many close by neighbors own a cabin?

There is a case in my town in which a husband/wife pair killed the man's ex-wife in their apartment, sawed her up, packed her body parts into coolers, and then loaded the coolers into a u-haul. This was in a very dense multi story, multi unit, multi building apartment complex. They weren't discovered due to noise reported by neighbors. To the contrary, no one reported anything until later when detectives came sniffing around looking for the missing ex wife. The only thing a witness noticed was the couple loading a u-haul to take a trip and noted they had coolers (they loaded it in the daytime, not too bright).

So it really can and has been done rather quietly.

 

[Gabby66]

if someone took her out of the area to a cabin why would they bring her back to the area that is crawling with cops and searchers?

(just throwing that out there as a thought)

Good point.....unless he wanted the body to be found. Sounds to me like he did. The backpack was predominantly placed, and I assume so was the body, since it was placed close to the road. Now, the identifying parts may not be easily located. This seems calculating to me.

 

[Cashew]

There wasn't enough snow that morning for it even to accumulate at all on the ground. In some areas it was just sleet or rain.

 

[absentia]

I read that as if they found the unicorn pillow at another spot. the LE was talking on the walkie to another LE at the rec ctr doing the search. He said - she does has a unicorn pillow so if she was at the rec ctr she must have come back "here" at some point. not sure where "here" was.

In the scanner rewind, posted by sarx, LE mentioned that they found her Unicorn Pillow Pet near the Rec Centre. So I am guessing that the citing was accurate.

 

[cluciano63]

There is a case in my town in which a husband/wife pair killed the man's ex-wife in their apartment, sawed her up, packed her body parts into coolers, and then loaded the coolers into a u-haul. This was in a very dense multi story, multi unit, multi building apartment complex. They weren't discovered due to noise reported by neighbors. To the contrary, no one reported anything until later when detectives came sniffing around looking for the missing ex wife. The only thing a witness noticed was the couple loading a u-haul to take a trip and noted they had coolers (they loaded it in the daytime, not too bright).

So it really can and has been done rather quietly.

Also, Melanie Maguire in the killing of her husband. She did an excellent job of cleaning up after herself.

 

[Mandy113]

I've tried to catch up this morning but work is making that very difficult.

Has there been any official confirmation that these are Jessica's remains?

Thanks for all you do.

 

[luckyme]

There is a case in my town in which a husband/wife pair killed the man's ex-wife in their apartment, sawed her up, packed her body parts into coolers, and then loaded the coolers into a u-haul. This was in a very dense multi story, multi unit, multi building apartment complex. They weren't discovered due to noise reported by neighbors. To the contrary, no one reported anything until later when detectives came sniffing around looking for the missing ex wife. The only thing a witness noticed was the couple loading a u-haul to take a trip and noted they had coolers (they loaded it in the daytime, not too bright).

So it really can and has been done rather quietly.

Yea grant haze!!!! hi neighbor! :seeya: Cant wait for that trial!

 

[absentia]

it was a little iffy in the mom's interview who actually called the friend. the call came from the mom's cell, not the landline which was not a recognized # by the friend. so maybe mom called J's dad the first time. the 2nd time JR called her friend on the usual landline.

I'm thinking that after Jessica called (something that would be easy as falling off a log for LE to do in the first 24 hours she was missing), her friend's father decided it was a little too cold, so he drove his son to the park and they waited for Jessica for 10 minutes, then figured they'd misunderstood her call and went on to school.

Or maybe Colorado is like Iowa, where the first snow of the season seems to bring out the idjit drivers, so the dad in question thought better of letting his son walk.

In either case, I think it's most likely that they put Jessica's non-appearance down to some sort of miscommunication and didn't think anything more about it.

 

[Footwarrior]

I haven't really said this yet, but the very first images of the people taking pictures and viewing the scene from the top of the firetruck ladder made me wonder if there was some sort of staging that they wanted to photograph before they moved or disturbed anything. It would also help them to (possibly) see where any other missing evidence might be.

Taking detailed photos before moving anything is standard procedure for any homicide investigation. Using the fire truck was clever. Otherwise the photographer might have stepped on and damaged subtile footprint evidence before it was photographed.

 

[cluciano63]

I've tried to catch up this morning but work is making that very difficult.

Has there been any official confirmation that these are Jessica's remains?

Thanks for all you do.

Not yet. Sometime today, presumably.

 

[mck16]

I read that as if they found the unicorn pillow at another spot. the LE was talking on the walkie to another LE at the rec ctr doing the search. He said - she does has a unicorn pillow so if she was at the rec ctr she must have come back "here" at some point. not sure where "here" was.

I understood it to be that it was at or near the rec center too.. So, it seems obvious to me that she was lured back to the rec center and abducted around there. Or am I totally missing something? Also what about the address 731 107th street. Is that significant. Home of an RSO? tia

 

[Marilynilpa]

Just a comment on the quote that incudes "body was not intact" (sorry i dont know how to copy and paste that on my tablet) knowing that area - could this be due to coyotes or other wildlife?

We discussed that quite a bit yesterday, and locals have said that there are coyotes, mountain lions and other animals in the area. I think it is totally possible that the body was "not intact" due to animal activity.

However, others feel the body was dismembered by the killer. Maybe "not intact" was LE's way of making it seem less gruesome, I'm not sure.

 

[absentia]

not much. a smattering. it didn't stay or accumulate. not even a dusting.

Can someone set me straight on appx. how much snow there was the morning Jessica went missing? Ummm...and there was snow that morning, right?

 

[luckyme]

Also, Melanie Maguire in the killing of her husband. She did an excellent job of cleaning up after herself.

She sure did! Dont forget Zarha Baker! Her evil step mother dismembered her too. UGH!!! :banghead:

 

[Gabby66]

If he dismembered her to prevent or delay any identification, then why would he put her clothes and glasses into her backpack and drop them off on a sidewalk for anybody to find? Doesn't make sense.

My thought is that the perp wanted to taunt with LE to say, "Look what I did!" but yet he dismembered the body to prevent them from identifying her. No ID = no crime associated with Jessica. Eventually of course, they could ID using DNA testing, I'm assuming, on her torso BUT they can't necessarily idently how she died, to identify a crime.

One question has popped into my mind. IIRC, LE had a pretty good idea that the body found was Jessica. If there was no head, then what would have given them the idea it was her? My guess is that parts of her clothing were found either on her or nearby, and it matched the description of what she was last seen wearing. Makes me think that it's possible animals could have been at the body. If it was lying out there in the open for days, then it's possible. There had to be something that made them suspicious that it was her, other than just a torso. IDK, just trying to make the facts fit logically, but I know that logic has nothing to do with these cases.

Again, I'm making an assumption, but even without her clothing, I think they may "assume" it's her, based on the condition of the body in comparison to the length of time she has been missing, compared to others in the area. The parents may also have provided identifying birthmarks or something, which were found on the torso.