CO CO - Kayleah Wilson, 12, Greeley, 28 March 2010 - #6

[darlin gal]

Or maybe she did call the cops and they didn't do anything and she didn't know she could go to the DA's office.

If she did call the cops, why isn't it mentioned in the arrest document? There would be a report taken. The school incident/report was mentioned.

 

[cluciano63]

All I am saying is that the system has to start with parents. If parents are aware of a crime against their child, they are obligated to report it to police, no matter what. And I cannot believe that any LE department would not have taken a report if a mother came to them and said a 17 or an 18-yr old was having sex with her 12-yr old. At either age it is against the law and I think it is up to parents to know the law if they have children. If this had been reported sometime between Oct 09 and March 28' 10, I think there would be a police report on it and probably an arrest and charges as well.

I do agree that the safety of kids is the concern of everyone, but parents are the key as they know they most about their kids and are the ones, initially, obligated to protect them. If LE dropped the ball on this when first reported, as I said, they must take the blame for any sexual contact after the date first reported and also for her murder, if it turns out to be related.

JMO and I am not trying to blame Kayleah's mom, but rather want to know when LE first became aware that RM was committing crimes against Kayleah.

 

[trigger]

What makes you think she (assuming you mean Kayleah's mom) didn't report him?

Thats true we really don't know for sure.

 

[gngr~snap]

Sometimes an adult woman can get a protective order - sometimes not. It really hardly matters. Women are killed by their stalkers all the time, even with a protective order. What do the cops say? We can't do anything until he harms you. So the women live in fear, and they tell everybody the guy is going to kill them, and then the guy kills them.

We need a better system.

Or BULLET PROOF PAPER!!!

seriously and sadly, you are 100% correct and more often than not a protective order actually causes the problems to escalate...

 

[BeanE]

If she did call the cops, why isn't it mentioned in the arrest document? There would be a report taken. The school incident/report was mentioned.

Because the cops don't want to sully their reputations? Because Internal Investigations told them to leave it out until they're done investigating? Any number of reasons.

 

[cluciano63]

If I had reported RM to LE and nothing was done and then my daughter was murdered...I would be screaming from the rooftops...

 

[darlin gal]

Kayleah had already been in foster care. Perhaps she didn't report it because she was afraid of CPS becoming involved again.

 

[Coldpizza]

Because the cops don't want to sully their reputations? Because Internal Investigations told them to leave it out until they're done investigating? Any number of reasons.

Its possible they didn't bother to file the paperwork at the time?

 

[BeanE]

If I had reported RM to LE and nothing was done and then my daughter was murdered...I would be screaming from the rooftops...

I think I would be unable to get out of bed, unable to move, unable to talk, unable to do anything except cry and feel the pain.

 

[BeanE]

Kayleah had already been in foster care. Perhaps she didn't report it because she was afraid of CPS becoming involved again.

Or perhaps she did report it.

 

[cluciano63]

OK, we are getting carried away...talking police conspiracy now. True, we don't know that Kayleah's mom did not report RM's abuse of her daughter prior to Kayleah going missing, but IMO, it is more likely she did not report it than it is that LE is doing a cover-up. JMO

I think the foster care angle is possible...as a reason not to report it...

 

[BeanE]

We both clearly have different opinions.

We have the same facts about whether or not April reported it - none. And I haven't expressed an opinion about whether I think she did or not.

 

[gngr~snap]

We have the same facts about whether or not April reported it - none. And I haven't expressed an opinion about whether I think she did or not.

I hate to say it but I have a bad feeling she only "threatened" RM with reporting it. Hoping that was enough to end it.. MOO

 

[emmcee]

Okay, slight change of subject. Was this guy a highschool student? Seems at 17/18 he would be a senior in HS. How did he get away with peeping into HER school window if he was supposed to be in school himself.

On the other hand, if he had graduated the previous year, I almost don't blame his mother for throwing him out - although her reason is 100% sickening. But an 18 year old man is capable of working and paying his own rent somewhere. I know that first hand.

'Course maybe he's a dropout and had no intention of *gasp* actually working and being self-sufficient.

Anyone know for sure about this?

 

[cluciano63]

I am reading over some of the articles from when Kayleah first went missing...when her 17-yr old boyfriend was referred to in some, in the current status, in others that they had "broken up" some time ago;

her mother said she had been "seriously involved with the teen who was friends with her older brother but had broken up some time ago"..Wilson said, in one article and same article indicated that no one is known to have reason to want to hurt Kayleah.

So this to me seems as though there was no record of RM at this time as anyone who would or had harmed Kayleah...at least it reads that way to me.

 

[BeanE]

OK, we are getting carried away...talking police conspiracy now. True, we don't know that Kayleah's mom did not report RM's abuse of her daughter prior to Kayleah going missing, but IMO, it is more likely she did not report it than it is that LE is doing a cover-up. JMO

I think the foster care angle is possible...as a reason not to report it...

Not a conspiracy - it's standard.

 

[trigger]

Or perhaps she did report it.

BeanE was that the pattern of abuse he was charged with?

CBS4 Investigators have learned police have established that Montoya was in a sexual relationship with Kayleah, involving what they call a pattern of abuse. The charges claim the abuse occured from Oct. 1, 2009 until March 28 of this year.

I can't imagine though he would be allowed to move into the home if the abuse started in October.

Something is missing from this whole story.

 

[DairyGirl]

Something is very wrong here. Given the information that we have now it looks pretty clear what probably happened. RM seems to have a motive and opportunity to have done this to Kayleah. The question I have is "is this new information"? I have to think not. LE has known far more then the public from the beginning. They may have assumed that she ran away because she was worried that she was pregnant but wouldn't the first course of action be to look at the BF, especially an 18 year old boyfriend? Did no one talk until they found her body? Why on earth wasn't this person arrested before her body was found? Was it because there was evidence, proof, with her body?
I remember talking about the "stalker" comments on her My Space. He was caught and admitted a sexual relationship by her mother. He was caught looking into the windows at her school. Did LE need to have a map drawn up for them?

 

[PickieChickie]

So the guy was hiding in the bushes and caught at her school peeping at her through the classroom window after he was reportedly told by Mom to leave her 12-year-old daughter alone. Yet, Mom didn't file for a restraining order and the police didn't file stalking charges against him.

 

[BeanE]

BeanE was that the pattern of abuse he was charged with?

CBS4 Investigators have learned police have established that Montoya was in a sexual relationship with Kayleah, involving what they call a pattern of abuse. The charges claim the abuse occured from Oct. 1, 2009 until March 28 of this year.

I can't imagine though he would be allowed to move into the home if the abuse started in October.

Something is missing from this whole story.

I'm not a lawyer, but I believe the pattern of abuse charge is because the sexual assaults were repeated many times over an extended period of time.

IIRC, from the affidavit, April didn't suspect the sexual assaults were occurring until December, and didn't know for sure until January. It appears to me that in October, she thought RM and Kayleah were just friends. I can't swear to that yet though - I only read the affidavit once so far. It's too upsetting to go for my second read yet.