CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #10

[MassGuy]

How did it get there -- an honest question, I'm not being snarky at all.
Do we think she actually got to Idaho alive and by her own independent actions?
If not, did PF take the phone or have the phone taken there?
Probably a moot point -- I think her killer (if she was indeed killed) probably smashed it to bits as soon as possible, or disabled it, or left it somewhere when the time was right so as to take the heat of off him and send LE in some bogus direction.

I think that a killer brought it there in order to buy time and throw off any potential investigation.

If that’s the case, that phone was likely disposed of before the killer made it home.

It would tie him to a crime. He wouldn’t keep it for any length of time after it served its purpose.

 

[Nemellotus]

Yes.

The Waste Management Facility is 15 minutes east of Florissant. Two other men met him there. They had both driven to the facility in separate cars.

Seems he has his guys all lined up and ready to go to do the dirty work. Really shows how he works doesn’t it. Shows me how he manages things. This guy IMOO would never personally carry out any bad deed involving a crime.... he won’t get his hands dirty! He has his guys!

 

[Irmese]

I think they may have dug there because a dog hit on a dead animal laying there smell from the past.... The hole is very near a cattle/horse pen......jmo

Could have been a pet buried so near the house.

 

[nwmouse]

Few years ago I watched "I know My Name Is Steven" Movie about the Steven Steiner case, kidnapped at 7yrs recovered at 15yrs. And OMG did that movie ever lay down how the ripple effect plays out!
The ruination of so many, MANY lives, set into motion on that beautiful sunny morning. I had never seen it portrayed so effectively like that movie did it.

That really helped me put into perspective, that the ripple effect works the same way whenever we do something kind. Can even be those small everyday things...Stopping to let someone cross the street, or enter a road way, helping a neighbor, caring for a pet, or a child...simple everyday things have the ripple too. We can never really how far and wide some some small act of good will has really spread.

Sorry OT a bit... but sometimes I wonder if this whole thing might have been SO different if someone, anyone had a spur of the moment type thought to do something nice for K and just dropped by...Just at the right time... I think about that in a lot these cases... The ripple effect...

Thanks for posting this. I haven't watched the movie but I'm going to look it up now.
Nobody really knows what goes on behind closed doors. I know I never wanted to trouble my parents by admitting I had relationship issues, it would just worry them so I kept it all inside. Sometimes people go through hell but they don't tell anyone else because they want to keep it private.

moo

 

[Mom24]

They found Erin Corwin...

They never found Gloria Berreth. Sadly it can happen.

 

[Steelslady]

I lived in Teller country for about a decade. There's tons of old mine shafts all over...especially in places like Cripple Creek/Victor (about a 40 minute drive). As a local he'd know where they were too...and he had plenty of time to act before anyone knew anything was suspicious.

Forgive me if this has been asked and answered in the past, but does anyone know if he owned guns? I don't assume that just because somebody works on a ranch, that they own several of them. I would assume that he does own a couple.

 

[nwmouse]

Could have been a pet buried so near the house.

Yeah, maybe one of the puppies misbehaved and he "disciplined" it.
Ugh.
moo

 

[Esma]

And a good question to ponder is, do you think he is even aware of cellphones pinging locations? It’s possible this guy isn’t that savvy. Meaning, he may have revealed her general disposal location without realizing it when he sent out those texts from the Gooding area. Or either he is savvy enough to know this and intentionally pinged it there and disposed of her somewhere else in Idaho to throw them off track. If he did drive to Idaho, I don’t think she will be found anywhere South of Gooding.

 

[Ravenmoon]

Just for clarification, as I have seen a few post about cadaver dogs possibly hitting on a scent: Cadaver dogs are taught to ignore the scent of decomposing animals and/ or rotting food and trash. Chemists still don't know how or why there are differences between the scents themselves. But the dogs do understand it. They won't "hit" on animal remains or skeletons. Cadaver dogs , like the Mississippi Delta dogs, were able to help uncover remains from Mound civilization burials as far back as 800 years. High;y trained cadaver dogs can also sniff out bodies that are under 30 feet of water. SO, if the reason behind law enforcement's digging was due to an alert from a cadaver dog, you can be almost positive this was not a dead animal.

 

[girlhasnoname]

...as your husband quietly sneaks into the home office and changes the beneficiary on his will...and texts his friends that to check the septic tank if he doesn't show up for work tommorow....

Hahahahaha yes, and sleeps with one eye open

 

[Snow Flower]

I would like to know if the media saw him leave his own property with that truck and trailer attached to it. I find it so strange, with the media camped out near his property, that none of them have a video of him leaving with this trash?

I am thinking the trash was located somewhere else. He dumped it while LE was searching his property. Evidently people who worked at WM called police. Right here at Christmas someone might be interested in $25,000.

 

[Irmese]

He already submitted a DNA swab, per his attorney's statement.

Maybe it wasn't his DNA they were looking for.

 

[Wsimm]

...as your husband quietly sneaks into the home office and changes the beneficiary on his will...and texts his friends that to check the septic tank if he doesn't show up for work tommorow....

Lol....! This got a good laugh from the Mr.

 

[SandyQLS]

Yeah, that’s quite strange.

You don’t hedge your bet when you are confident of something.

That wasn’t the unequivocal “no” that one would expect to hear.

Isn't she is the same woman who said PF has been her farrier for 5 years and that he is always very gentle with her animals? She is so soft-spoken and calm, her animals are probably sweet, too.

 

[Mom24]

I would like to know if the media saw him leave his own property with that truck and trailer attached to it. I find it so strange, with the media camped out near his property, that none of them have a video of him leaving with this trash?

Excellent point. You're right. Had he left his own property with a large trailer truck, he'd have been noticed.

 

[Safeguard]

Thanks for posting this. I haven't watched the movie but I'm going to look it up now.
Nobody really knows what goes on behind closed doors. I know I never wanted to trouble my parents by admitting I had relationship issues, it would just worry them so I kept it all inside. Sometimes people go through hell but they don't tell anyone else because they want to keep it private.

moo

Your welcome. That movie was extremely well done. It's riveting. I'll never forget that one.

 

[Seattle1]

So, he went to the waste facility on Monday and they went back to his house on Tuesday?

Waste Management was likely on alert about the ongoing investigation, and contacted LE when they saw PF and helpers unload debris at the facility. LE probably checked out the debris, and paid PF a visit first thing Tuesday morning. MOO

 

[KSinMT]

The dump is usually a place out of town in the countryside that is a huge pit. The trash is dumped into the pit and then covered over.

The Waste Management Facility (where PF drove the truck and trailer) is in a town and is an actual facility. From there, garbage trucks take trash that has been collected at the facility and then haul it to a dump site.

The particular WMF used by PF yesterday is in town and so close to other buildings and roads, it cannot be an open dumpsite.

Hope this helps.

Yes thank you. I didn't know there was a difference

 

[Cherokee]

On the chance that the “trash” may be relevant.

Only PF's trash would be relevant was my point.

PF hauling other people's trash to a facility 15 minutes east of where he lives is not plausible, especially when the two men who met him there and unloaded the trash drove up in two different cars. Why didn't they ride with him if he picked it up from their homes? Why didn't at least ONE of them ride with him?

Furthermore, why didn't PF get out of the truck and help them? I've never seen a man, especially a cowboy type, sit in a truck while OTHER men are doing that type of work. Most men would pitch in and help.

By the way, the facility is in a town almost halfway between Florissant and Woodland Park.

I wish I could say more but it would be going against TOS.

 

[Steelslady]

I lived in Teller country for about a decade. There's tons of old mine shafts all over...especially in places like Cripple Creek/Victor (about a 40 minute drive). As a local he'd know where they were too...and he had plenty of time to act before anyone knew anything was suspicious.

Forgive me if this has been asked and answered in the past, but does anyone know if he owned guns? I don't assume that just because somebody works on a ranch, that they own several of them. I would assume that he does own a couple.