CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #10

[BRRI]

My take on the trash is that if he went through the lengths to go to Idaho for a phone ping and to send texts, he wouldn’t get rid of incriminating trash in the middle of an investigation focusing on him. I’d hope he would not be that stupid, anyway.

 

[Esma]

If you believe he did drive to Idaho to ping her phone and send texts, do you think he would go thru all that and leave her body in Colorado where, if found would destroy his alibi?

 

[jaspermac]

Well, how about Bruce McArthur, a serial killer from Toronto, that buried his victims in flower pots on his property?

Please know, I am not saying that this happened with Kelsey, just saying, there are a few out there that do bury their victims on their properties!

He buried his victims in flowerpots of his landscape customers homes. he lived in an apartment.

It is more likely they were digging up the septic area to take a pipe and test it for dna that he may have washed down the sink during clean up vs looking for a body that may have been dumped.

Maybe they went back to tack sections of plumbing from inside the house if they found something in the pipe of the septic system. Who knows, hopefully we will eventually find out, and KB's family can have peace.

 

[Mom24]

The green totes left of the deck stairs look to be typical rubbish bins used with roadside collection service. By all accounts, PF made a special dump run with debris packed inside a trailer. If already packed in the trailer, can't imagine anything so important that it had to be disposed of today. As my dear Dad would say: don't borrow trouble. MOO

I have the same ones, bought at the local hardware store. We do dump runs once a week so we store them in those bins and then load them on the truck to dump.
But I agree, this big trailer full of trash is far more than a normal weekly residential trash run and it makes you wonder what's in it and where he stored it. I'm wondering if he had hidden some things offsite in that trailer and then after the search was over, took it to WM to dump it.

 

[Jennifer17]

Could have been a pet buried so near the house.

I think that the dogs are trained to only recognise human bodies.
My backyard would send them crazy if it were animals.

 

[BRRI]

Only PF's trash would be relevant was my point.

PF hauling other people's trash to a facility 15 minutes east of where he lives, on the road to Woodland Park, is not plausible, especially when the two men who met him there and unloaded the trash drove up in two different cars. Why didn't they ride with him if he picked it up from their homes? Why didn't at least ONE of them ride with him?

Furthermore, why didn't PF get out of the truck and help them? I've never seen a man, especially a cowboy type, sit in a truck while OTHER men are doing that type of work. Most men would pitch in and help.

By the way, the facility is in a town almost halfway between Florissant and Woodland Park.

I wish I could say more but it would be going against TOS.

Maybe his lawyer told him to bring witnesses with him, and he stayed in the truck to avoid media?

 

[gitana1]

I am suprised he went at all.

If he is gulty....... I would love to know the motive.

Jmo

What is the motivation for domestic violence? Its just super, out of control, angry people who become enraged and lash out, isn't it?

 

[MassGuy]

If you believe he did drive to Idaho to ping her phone and send texts, do you think he would go thru all that and leave her body in Colorado where, if found would destroy his alibi?

I would expect that the body made atleast part of the trip.

What troubles me a bit, is that I think she had already been dead since some point on Thanksgiving.

Most people don’t like to hold on to a body for that length of time.

So I’m a bit stuck here.

 

[Cherokee]

Yes thank you. I didn't know there was a difference

You are most welcome.

 

[Steelslady]

Few years ago I watched "I know My Name Is Steven" Movie about the Steven Steiner case, kidnapped at 7yrs recovered at 15yrs. And OMG did that movie ever lay down how the ripple effect plays out!
The ruination of so many, MANY lives, set into motion on that beautiful sunny morning. I had never seen it portrayed so effectively like that movie did it.

That really helped me put into perspective, that the ripple effect works the same way whenever we do something kind. Can even be those small everyday things...Stopping to let someone cross the street, or enter a road way, helping a neighbor, caring for a pet, or a child...simple everyday things have the ripple too. We can never really how far and wide some some small act of good will has really spread.

Sorry OT a bit... but sometimes I wonder if this whole thing might have been SO different if someone, anyone had a spur of the moment type thought to do something nice for K and just dropped by...Just at the right time... I think about that in a lot these cases... The ripple effect...

What a nice post. It is so true- we don't realize how our actions, good or bad, affect people and sometimes more than one person. A nice reminder to be kind and caring, and smile- none of those things cost a thing, but could mean the world to someone who may desperately need it.

 

[oviedo]

Just for clarification, as I have seen a few post about cadaver dogs possibly hitting on a scent: Cadaver dogs are taught to ignore the scent of decomposing animals and/ or rotting food and trash. Chemists still don't know how or why there are differences between the scents themselves. But the dogs do understand it. They won't "hit" on animal remains or skeletons. Cadaver dogs , like the Mississippi Delta dogs, were able to help uncover remains from Mound civilization burials as far back as 800 years. High;y trained cadaver dogs can also sniff out bodies that are under 30 feet of water. SO, if the reason behind law enforcement's digging was due to an alert from a cadaver dog, you can be almost positive this was not a dead animal.

Thank you I thought I remembered this from the Caylee Anthony case but was not sure

 

[BRRI]

I think they may have dug there because a dog hit on a dead animal laying there smell from the past.... The hole is very near a cattle/horse pen......jmo

The dogs can usually tell the difference between animal and human remains, I think? Maybe not

 

[borndem]

SoBu said: ↑
Sadly, I had already been thinking that the terrain in that area could make it incredibly difficult to ever find a body.

It’s early yet, so you never know.

Yes, absolutely, it's early. We get impatient, don't we?!

One sad but true thought: Hunting season is upon us, or will be, nearly everywhere. Hunters often discover bones, hair, clothing, etc., as we've seen more than once. Awful thought, but true. <shiver>
SMH

 

[MassGuy]

Yes, absolutely, it's early. We get impatient, don't we?!

One sad but true thought: Hunting season is upon us, or will be, nearly everywhere. Hunters often discover bones, hair, clothing, etc., as we've seen more than once. Awful thought, but true. <shiver>
SMH

Yup. That’s always my hope in cases where I believe LE is looking for a body.

Same way with Jayme Closs.

 

[susiQ]

If that’s what happened, someone very well could get away with murder.

Finding a body obviously isn’t a requirement, but absent compelling evidence here, it will be incredibly important to recover one.

If this is murder, of course.

Just thought of a case close to me. Having friends or acquaintances in farming, would he have access to an animal incinerator? I know, terrible thought, but that is how this disgusting human being disposed of two victims. One has never been found and the other only the blood on outside of the incinerator. Could have said he had to dispose of a dead animal? These incinerators are so efficient virtually nothing is left. I cringe at bringing this up but..... Thankfully, he was caught through cell logs, video and his own arrogance.

 

[Steelslady]

Or feed them to farm animals (the pigs) like the Canadian serial killer Robert Pickton.

moo

Oh my goodness, I remember that case. Absolutely evil and disgusting. I have a few choice words for him, but I'd be booted off of here if I typed them.

 

[oviedo]

Waste Management was likely on alert about the ongoing investigation, and contacted LE when they saw PF and helpers unload debris at the facility. LE probably checked out the debris, and paid PF a visit first thing Tuesday morning. MOO

With a new warrant so I have to wonder what did they find from the facility?

 

[BRRI]

I would expect that the body made atleast part of the trip.

What troubles me a bit, is that I think she had already been dead since some point on Thanksgiving.

Most people don’t like to hold on to a body for that length of time.

So I’m a bit stuck here.

I would think he would have used a random car then, because dogs would have picked up that smell immediately (people probably could even detect it if a body was deceased for several days prior to transport)

 

[MassGuy]

I would think he would have used a random car then, because dogs would have picked up that smell immediately (people probably could even detect it if a body was deceased for several days prior to transport)

Definitely.

In that case, no dogs would be necessary in order to detect the unmistakable odor of decomposition.

 

[therion20]

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They say on this report that KB dropped the baby at the farm. LE said PF picked up the daughter at KB's house, so what really happened? Another misreporting?