CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #14 *ARREST*

[Mom24]

Found it...interior of Kelsey's home. https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/269-E-Lake-Ave-Woodland-Park-CO-80863/62719652_zpid/

 

[jaspermac]

I wonder what the underlying issues will be, or the red flags. Most of the studies on intimate partner homicide say the vast majority of cases have the red flags of domestic violence and abuse. Most women's organizations feel they are good at identifying who is at high risk but not good about doing anything to stop it. In this case there hasn't been any indicator that has DV has happened, but we aren't being given info either. The other red flags are jealousy and controlling. Many on this thread have said they see signs that he is controlling. I don't think we have an info to show jealousy but that may come. It looks like from what one poster is finding on her pinterest that she was not feeling good about some relationship. Enough to post about it. I wonder if whatever the issues were that were making her feel negative about the relationship became an ongoing arguement for them. And they were significant enough that he felt it would come up in a child custody suit. And then combined with whatever is messed up inside his head that was enough to want her gone. I don't even know why I am thinking about this, it is pointless because I will never understand the mindset or pathology that leads to this.

 

[chili367]

I don't know if that place has an attic. But the home has a loft like second floor, so the first floor is open to the second floor. Someone had wondered if they were taking out cabinet doors from the kitchen, but with fresh baked rolls on the counter, it doesn't seem likely that's the room that something happened in.
edited to add-somewhere back on the last page someone had posted pics of the interior of the home. If I find the link I'll post it.

Ladder perhaps used to access 2nd floor if stairs contain evidence?

 

[Mom24]

Ladder perhaps used to access 2nd floor if stairs contain evidence?

That's what I'm thinking. I had also wondered if there's any space to stuff things in around where the flue to the fireplace is, it does go up to the ceiling. I had wondered if he pulled a few boards away and shoved evidence in there to hide it.

 

[stx722]

According to this news report from Fox 31 Denver, they located the phone in Twin Falls, ID. That statement is located near the 6 minute mark on video.

Boom! I think I just heard a shoe! I doubt they found it by chance. MOO

 

[RachB65]

Yes - you and I have the same question.

I realize they had a warrant ready for his arrest. I just wonder if they served the warrant at that moment BECAUSE they thought he was attempting to flee and that their preference (had he stayed home) would have been to wait longer and gather even more evidence.

I realize they had enough evidence for the arrest....since they, in fact, made the arrest. I'm just wondering about the timing and PF & mom being in vehicles when arrested.

jmo

Finally catch up to an active thread and this is my first post on the case. Sadly, it's an anticlimactic
one.
IMO it's very possible one of his LE relatives(brother or uncle)got wind of the imminent arrest that morning and called to warn him and/or his mom. Maybe he was gonna make a run for it, with his mom taking him somewhere to hide or transport out of town. The best way to know is is what was found in the vehicle when he was apprehended. Like luggage

 

[alliemarie]

I sure hope at the hearing it is determined that the baby can stay with her Mother's family. I'm glad they will get her for Christmas.
I have been away from the forum for a few days, family in town, but I heard about the arrest yesterday morning. Reading down the threads today I saw posting about a custody hearing on the 27th. I was horrified and asking myself, does that mean the little baby wont get to spend Christmas with her Mother's family? I am so glad that Gitana cleared that up, she will be with family. Will that be her Mother's family I assume?

 

[PommyMommy]

Moses Lake church holds vigil for mother presumed dead
Members of the Moses Lake Seventh-Day Adventist Church have spent the last several weeks praying for Kelsey Berreth, her family, and investigators.

Berreth worshiped and attended school at the church. The people who knew and loved her held a vigil Friday night.

"Everybody is devastated," said SL, who watched Berreth grow up. "We don't know what to do, so we came together to pray for her family tonight so that God would just be with them, comfort them."

Church members wrote letters to Kelsey's family.

"They were just a loving family, and they were an integral part of our church," JL said. "Everybody loved them, and everybody loved Kelsey. We just watched her -- she matured through the years, turned into a beautiful young lady," JL said.

 

[eyestowardHeaven]

My prayers to Kelsey’s family. I’m so sorry this turned out to be the age-old story of being hurt, not by a stranger, but by someone who should have loved her and protected her.

 

[Owutatangledweb]

My guess is two more will be arrested.

I'm guessing three.

 

[Irmese]

He doesn't seem too bright either. He may not even come up with the plan. I'd love to hear him talk. Any video links?

I think he is average on the stupid to smart scale, but scores high on the good to evil scale. He was smart enough that they haven't found her body yet, but stupid enough to murder his fiancée and mother of his child, and to involve someone else and think he could get away with it.

 

[susiQ]

I wonder what the underlying issues will be, or the red flags. Most of the studies on intimate partner homicide say the vast majority of cases have the red flags of domestic violence and abuse. Most women's organizations feel they are good at identifying who is at high risk but not good about doing anything to stop it. In this case there hasn't been any indicator that has DV has happened, but we aren't being given info either. The other red flags are jealousy and controlling. Many on this thread have said they see signs that he is controlling. I don't think we have an info to show jealousy but that may come. It looks like from what one poster is finding on her pinterest that she was not feeling good about some relationship. Enough to post about it. I wonder if whatever the issues were that were making her feel negative about the relationship became an ongoing arguement for them. And they were significant enough that he felt it would come up in a child custody suit. And then combined with whatever is messed up inside his head that was enough to want her gone. I don't even know why I am thinking about this, it is pointless because I will never understand the mindset or pathology that leads to this.

Yes, I saw the post a WS member made on her Pinterest post and it made me so very sad, that she was most likely at the point where she understood this relationship was not what she had hoped for and it wasn't going to lead down the aisle which of course necessitated her considering where to go from here. It's possible she did confide in someone even if it wasn't her mother and if so, I'm sure LE would already know. I went for years without telling anyone in our family. We lived 300 miles from my parents and 500 from his. I loved his family and didn't want them to know either. I was isolated and he was in control. Long story short, I finally was able to break free. Thankfully, he never laid a hand on me although I was scared on two occasions that it might lead to that. I agree with many here that the relationship was not great and I'm sure PF had considered the implications regarding custody. I honestly don't think if Kelsey had left CO to return to live close to her family that she needed any financial help from PF. She had good profession. I think PF knew he could not control her, she had options. So, if her couldn't control her he wanted control of their child, no matter how he got it. How pathetic.

 

[Gardener1850]

This is just an awful outcome. I will never understand how one chooses such a path. Do the charges mean this was a murder for hire? If so we can expect another arrest?

There was a video posted a few pages back where an expert explained the charge of Solicitation for murder does not necessarily mean he offered payment to someone. It could just mean he talked to someone and asked them to help him murder her or asked them to murder her for him. There doesn't have to be any money involved was my understanding of what was said.

 

[bowler]

Maybe interesting whose phone also pinged on the way or in Idaho?

it's almost like someone had possession of this phone or knew of its exact location. and we obviously know PF isn't talking.

 

[?mysterian?]

Moses Lake church holds vigil for mother presumed dead
Members of the Moses Lake Seventh-Day Adventist Church have spent the last several weeks praying for Kelsey Berreth, her family, and investigators.

Berreth worshiped and attended school at the church. The people who knew and loved her held a vigil Friday night.

"Everybody is devastated," said SL, who watched Berreth grow up. "We don't know what to do, so we came together to pray for her family tonight so that God would just be with them, comfort them."

Church members wrote letters to Kelsey's family.

"They were just a loving family, and they were an integral part of our church," JL said. "Everybody loved them, and everybody loved Kelsey. We just watched her -- she matured through the years, turned into a beautiful young lady," JL said.

PommyMommy, thank you and all the other posters for keeping us updated with news/facts/links as they become available. Your efforts are very much appreciated.

I'm so very sorry this happened to KB. If any of her family/friends are reading here, my deepest sympathy goes out to you. There are many posters here supporting you (IMO) as the efforts of justice for Kelsey continue.

 

[makayla]

Possibly, but after they brought in the ladder they were seen carrying out large flat objects, possibly drywall pieces or cupboards. So it was surmised that the ladder was used to remove these. But it could have been for something else, darn police won't tell us anything, lol.

I would agree that they may have used the ladder to remove pieces of drywall. I don’t think it would have been to access an attic, because then PF would have also needed a ladder to hide something up there, unless he carried a ladder on his truck on a regular basis. It will be interesting to hear exactly what the investigators found at Kelsey’s townhouse, as sad as it may be. I’m so thankful they have PF in custody so we don’t have to worry about baby K anymore. It was extremely satisfying to see those vehicles arriving at the ranch yesterday morning to arrest him!

 

[sun16]

Found it...interior of Kelsey's home. https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/269-E-Lake-Ave-Woodland-Park-CO-80863/62719652_zpid/

Vaulted ceiling, no mention of attic, wondering what ladder was for other than staircase or loft or ceiling.

 

[Owutatangledweb]

Thanks. It gets confusing when other sites are discussed here at all. I wish we would all agree to ignore them and not comment at all about what's happening elsewhere.
Just my humble opinion, not telling anyone what to do.

Actually, per TOS I don't think we ARE to discuss them.

 

[Elley Mae]

Vaulted ceiling, no mention of attic, wondering what ladder was for other than staircase or loft or ceiling.

The home on the left appears to have basement/cellar windows. The description did not mention that.

 

[Gardener1850]

I'm guessing that he just didn't feel like paying child support, and he thought that he figured out the perfect murder.

We don't know for sure, but I think Kelsey made more money than he did. MOO.