CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #14 *ARREST*

[Bill Carson]

Yes - you and I have the same question.

I realize they had a warrant ready for his arrest. I just wonder if they served the warrant at that moment BECAUSE they thought he was attempting to flee and that their preference (had he stayed home) would have been to wait longer and gather even more evidence.

I realize they had enough evidence for the arrest....since they, in fact, made the arrest. I'm just wondering about the timing and PF & mom being in vehicles when arrested.

jmo

I would imagine (MOO) that he was driving down to meet LE, perhaps at their request so that they did not have to do a home invasion. Note that they had him drive down until they could clearly see him, and then stop, and they drove up to meet his car.

It is not uncommon for LE to notify the suspect's lawyer in advance about the execution of an arrest warrant. Sometimes defendants are allowed to turn themselves in at the jail.

In this case, I would suspect that either LE called PF 's lawyer, who called PF and told him to get up, get in his car, and drive toward the gate; or perhaps LE called PF directly.

The arrest warrant was executed peacefully. PF did not resist arrest, nor did he resist the execution of the search warrants. LE had the bearcat in place in the event that PF did not surrender peacefully. (contingency plan)

(No personal knowledge of the facts particular to this case, but MOO is based upon what I have seen in the past, FWIW.)

Edited to correct typo and to add an observation.

 

[Trudie]

Not when it’s an emergency hearing. I once had to travel across country to get custody of my kids from the other parent. An emergency hearing was set up with just a brief notice, and I high-tailed it to TN for the hearing.

This case with K certainly warrants an emergency hearing.

Is the case # indicative of the origination date of the case?
I’m thinking the D602018 is indicative of the case being filed in June? Anyone?

 

[gitana1]

Bringing forward.
CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #13 *ARREST*

KB is listed on the docket. I think this was scheduled in advance. May have been a factor in whatever happened. MOO

It was not. It was just filed in relation to the arrest and protective custody.

 

[Tranquileyes]

I didn't follow that one; the last one I followed was Mollie Tibbetts - totally different type of crime, but similar in how tight-lipped LE was. Mollie's felt like eternity, too. I'm going to check to see how long it took LE to make an arrest in that case. ETA: In Mollie's case, it took 5 weeks for the arrest.

Yeah pretty sure CW case was not the norm in terms of how fast everything went. I didn’t follow MT but I believe it was at least a month or so.

 

[gitana1]

I would imagine (MOO) that he was driving down to meet LE, perhaps at their request so that they did not have to do a home invasion.

It is not uncommon for LE to notify the suspect's lawyer in advance about the execution of the search warrant. Sometimes defendants are allowed to turn themselves in at the jail.

In this case, I would suspect that either LE called PF 's lawyer, who called PF and told him to get up, get in his car, and drive toward the gate; or perhaps LE called PF directly.

The arrest warrant was executed peacefully. PF did not resist arrest, nor did he resist the execution of the search warrants. LE had the bearcat in place in the event that PF did not surrender peacefully. (contingency plan)

(No personal knowledge of the facts particular to this case, but MOO is based upon what I have seen in the past, FWIW.)

I have never seen such a thing in a case like that. Respectfully, no way. They even handcuffed his elderly mother. They don't do that when they allow someone to turn themselves in or announce they're coming. He was not given advance notice of the search warrant. Which is why they cut the locks.

 

[Kapua]

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She does appear to have difficulty walking.

 

[gitana1]

Is the case # indicative of the origination date of the case?
I’m thinking the D602018 is indicative of the case being filed in June? Anyone?

No. This had to have been filed today. This is standard CPS dependency court stuff.

 

[oviedo]

I have never seen such a thing in a case like that. Respectfully, no way. They even handcuffed his elderly mother. They don't do that when they allow someone to turn themselves in or announce they're coming. He was not given advance notice of the search warrant. Which is why they cut the locks.

Do you think they woke a judge up to issue that warrant or did they have it the night before ? With his family being in LE he could have been tipped off - if the baby was in the car they could have been attempting to flee imo

 

[zecats]

He wiped his FB but not before one of our members saw it

I still see what I've always seen on his Facebook. Last post was June 2015. Mostly scenery photos, cattle and his roping. Unless he wiped recent posts before I saw them.

 

[MsBetsy]

Yes - you and I have the same question.

I realize they had a warrant ready for his arrest. I just wonder if they served the warrant at that moment BECAUSE they thought he was attempting to flee and that their preference (had he stayed home) would have been to wait longer and gather even more evidence.

I realize they had enough evidence for the arrest....since they, in fact, made the arrest. I'm just wondering about the timing and PF & mom being in vehicles when arrested.

jmo

I think they moved in on him as soon as they had the warrent. They were working fast and hard in the hours before the arrest to get the evidence they needed and in my opinion just acted immediately whether they thought he was going to flee or not. In my opinion they just happened to be in the car when LE arrived. I doubt he was trying to run with his mom with him.

 

[Trudie]

No. This had to have been filed today. This is standard CPS dependency court stuff.

Okay. Tysm! I was confused over them listing K rather than her mom. Appreciate it.

 

[gitana1]

I agree and I would think they would file an emergency motion since both parents are not able to care for the baby, however if no one is disputing the arrangement made by child protective services it may not be necessary. Court dates seem to be scheduled out 2 months for parenting time issues in Colorado. IMO it's probable if what her aunt said was true that she had called off the engagement (either KB or PF) petitioned the court 2 months ago.

When a child is taken into protective custody a hearing must be held within days, if the child is not released back to the parents.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

One of Patrick's relatives came on Websleuths and announced to everyone that their elderly mom was disabled and could barely walk. She shouldn't get custody of Kelsey's baby, a busy toddler.

 

[kay74]

So he solicited someone to murder her Before Thanksgiving day which is when she went missing? He wanted her dead before that?? I thought he found out from her ON Thanksgiving day that she was breaking up with him and that's why he decided to kill her. I'm confused.

 

[gitana1]

Wow, yeah that could definitely be a motive

It's not. Scroll back.

 

[oviedo]

No. This had to have been filed today. This is standard CPS dependency court stuff.

Our state government established a pre-need guardian now so a parent can designate who they want in the event something happens - we also use it for adult potential incapacity to hopefully limit family fighting - and we have done them for mother’s who want to confirm who will raise their child when they are not married to the father

 

[jaspermac]

not sure this hasn't been posted yet. but family confirmed they met online.
Kelsey Berreth's cousin speaks out for the first time since fiance's arrest | Daily Mail Online

• Garretson reveals the couple met online two years ago and that Frazee had helped Kelsey, 29, moved from Washington to Colorado months later
• She also says their daughter Kaylee had been in Frazee's care and refused to let Kelsey's mother Cheryl see her after Kelsey went missing

Looks like someone is breaking ranks re no interviews. I was one of the cousins in a domestic murder trial, it was high profile. The family gave no interviews, including all of the extended family. Even during the trial when things became nasty, we did no interviews. The same with the co-victim's family. We relied on amazing reporters who sifted through the nonsense and slammed the victim bashing which always happens-without our input. Even when they went to my aunt post-trial with wanting to do a crime documentary show on it, she said none of us would participate- without that they had nothing. Why did we remain silent, for the sake of the children involved and not wanting to create more press, or bad feelings with their father's side of the family. At some point they can search the internet and you want to limit the damage. You don't want to be in the press saying their father is a monster. Then there is also healing, it is easier to heal without being hounded by the press.

In this case since he has not given an interview to the police, you also don't want to give him anything he can create a story around ie timelines, what he told you re where KB is- because he will have forgotten alot- etc.

 

[Bill Carson]

Is the case # indicative of the origination date of the case?
I’m thinking the D602018 is indicative of the case being filed in June? Anyone?

All cases are filed in numerical order for that county, starting in January. This is JV case number 26 for the year in Teller County. It is a small county. Not all JV cases are CPS cases. (In Colorado, these are referred to as "D&N Cases," short for Dependency and Neglect.)

The case number begins with "D60." I'm not sure what that stands for. The D might be for D&N.

2018 is the year.

JV is the type of case.

26 is the numerical case number for this type of case in this county.

 

[ZsaZsa]

She does appear to have difficulty walking.

It says she was "also in court this morning"- did PF appear in court?

 

[gitana1]

Do you think they woke a judge up to issue that warrant or did they have it the night before ? With his family being in LE he could have been tipped off - if the baby was in the car they could have been attempting to flee imo

Either one.