CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #14 *ARREST*

[PommyMommy]

Thanks Pommy. It seems to me this person or persons PF approached (or helped) have been cooperating with the investigation. That makes me think it's not a relative.
I expect there will also be others that helped him cover the crime.
So sad.

You're welcome. Here's another one - Attorney Stephen Longo beginning at :53. He says to charge solicitation, the DA would have compelling evidence that possibly came from electronic devices or from the other person involved (paraphrasing).

 

[esayer]

This is why I think KB may have decided to no more sex before marriage and she probably didn't want to live with him because she thought it was a bad example for K. JMO.

I'm pretty sure she didn't want to live with him OR marry him because he's a jerk and also someone capable of murder, which she could sense, because she's no shrinking violet. I think she got pregnant super early and entirely by mistake and was doing her best to hold it together for <modsnip: redacted name of minor child>, and to be fair to PF. She was probably TOO nice to him and his family. IMO

 

[Deleted member 155000]

Or, PF asked someone to kill her (someone who he thought shared his motive), he refused, so PF did it all on his own, later providing details to person X. Either motivated by a reward or the fear of being implicated, he contacts authority and strikes a deal. He either has possession of, or knows where the phone is, he has information on the general vicinity of where she may be, and he knows where she was killed (prompting LE to search her home a second time, gather additional evidence, and make the arrest)

Yep, similar to what I was thinking. They know some details that help establish who dumped the phone or body and help LE narrow down a location, for example.

What’s interesting is, someone who WAS involved might even spin the story a little bit to put it all on PF at this point, even if they did participate.

 

[Snow Flower]

KB bought her TH in May of 2018. Do we know where she lived prior to that? If she lived there for two years that means 18 months she lived elsewhere. The baby is 14 months old. I wonder if KB bought that place hoping PF would live there with her. When he hadn’t moved in 6 months later she might have thought he wasn’t going to and decided to move on. JMO

 

[Irmese]

That works except if his solicitation included a family member.

So, can they speak privately or would all conversations be recorded?

 

[Peppery]

As you noted, since the death penalty isn’t really used in Colorado it doesn’t give the state much leverage. Sadly, there isn’t much incentive for PF to cooperate at this time.

But we assume it was enough leverage for CW.

 

[Deleted member 155000]

I'm pretty sure she didn't want to live with him OR marry him because he's a jerk and also someone capable of murder, which she could sense, because she's no shrinking violet. I think she got pregnant super early and entirely by mistake and was doing her best to hold it together for <modsnip: redacted name of minor child> and to be fair to PF. She was probably TOO nice to him and his family. IMO

I am not willing to go this far yet.

She had stayed with him for a long time apparently and continued to refer to him as a fiancé with her family.

It may turn out she is the one who wanted and expected to get married.

It may turn out that over time she rejected him.

We just don’t know.

 

[Beamer15]

Soliciting probably means that he told someone else that he would like the mother of his child to be dead. That could include someone taking her phone to Idaho and sending texts to her boss 3 days after anyone spoke to her - that could only be done by someone who knows that she is deceased, knows her who boss and husband are, and wants to delay discovery of her disappearance.

Doesn't one of PF's siblings works in LE? <modsnipped>

Thank you for that explanation, it makes perfect sense that they would have to know in orde to carry out that next step!

Yes, his brother and uncle are in local LE

 

[Elley Mae]

I think the police said the phone indeed ended up in Idaho. I suspect they must have received very reliable information for LE to know that it had ended up there. When they said it hadn't been recovered, they may have been referring to it not being physically in their possession, still in the hands of the Idaho police.

The same day officers conducted the welfare check, Berreth’s cell phone was pinged near Gooding at 5:13 p.m – over 800 miles from her home in Colorado. Steve Van Dinter, a Verizon spokesman, tells EastIdahoNews.com that the ping would be accurate within a mile of the location coordinates.

New information released on case of missing mother whose phone was last pinged in Idaho | East Idaho News

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[jillianelaine]

Yep, similar to what I was thinking. They know some details that help establish who dumped the phone or body and help LE narrow down a location, for example.

What’s interesting is, someone who WAS involved might even spin the story a little bit to put it all on PF at this point, even if they did participate.

For instance, the person who he originally solicited.

 

[miimaa]

I think the police said the phone indeed ended up in Idaho. I suspect they must have received very reliable information for LE to know that it had ended up there. When they said it hadn't been recovered, they may have been referring to it not being physically in their possession, still in the hands of the Idaho police.

They know it pinged from there and perhaps there was no other activity on the phone after that.

 

[kkdj]

You're welcome. Here's another one - Attorney Stephen Longo beginning at :53. He says to charge solicitation, the DA would have compelling evidence that possibly came from electronic devices or from the other person involved (paraphrasing).

I suspect they have a person that talked and something in writing (texts or emails) that prove the solicitation charge. However, iirc PF willingly turned over his phone so he must have thought he deleted anything accessible.
I think someone came forward. I'm guessing no charges will come to that person as (a) they didn't participate, or (b) they turned states evidence and have immunity.

 

[PrairieWind]

So, can they speak privately or would all conversations be recorded?

All his phone calls and visits will be recorded most likely except those with his attorney. I’ve listened to a lot of jail house recordings over the years.

 

[esayer]

KB bought her TH in May of 2018. Do we know where she lived prior to that? If she lived there for two years that means 18 months she lived elsewhere. The baby is 14 months old. I wonder if KB bought that place hoping PF would live there with her. When he hadn’t moved in 6 months later she might have thought he wasn’t going to and decided to move on. JMO

No, KB bought the place on her own and rented either nearby or in the same condo before that. She had <modsnip: redacted name of minor child><modsnip: redacted name of minor child> Oct, 2017, and met PF the winter of 2016 when she was still living in WA. She wouldn't move into PFs place because he lived with his mom. (I remember reading all that but don't remember where sry).

 

[SoVeryMe]

KB bought her TH in May of 2018. Do we know where she lived prior to that? If she lived there for two years that means 18 months she lived elsewhere. The baby is 14 months old. I wonder if KB bought that place hoping PF would live there with her. When he hadn’t moved in 6 months later she might have thought he wasn’t going to and decided to move on. JMO

It has been reported she rented another unit in the same complex she bought her current TH.

 

[Deleted member 155000]

I suspect they have a person that talked and something in writing (texts or emails) that prove the solicitation charge. However, iirc PF willingly turned over his phone so he must have thought he deleted anything accessible.
I think someone came forward. I'm guessing no charges will come to that person as (a) they didn't participate, or (b) they turned states evidence and have immunity.

I think this is likely too. They may have left the ability to press charges out there just in case they end up discovering the person WAS more involved than they are now claiming to be. Just a thought.

 

[jillianelaine]

They know it pinged from there and perhaps there was no other activity on the phone after that.

Still, to state the phone "ended up" implies it never left the area.

 

[esayer]

I am not willing to go this far yet.

She had stayed with him for a long time apparently and continued to refer to him as a fiancé with her family.

It may turn out she is the one who wanted and expected to get married.

It may turn out that over time she rejected him.

We just don’t know.

And I am not willing to assume she wanted to marry PF the murderer

 

[PommyMommy]

Clayton Sandell on Twitter
Our @gma story: Fiancé of missing Colorado mom #KelseyBerreth arrested at gunpoint in early morning takedown now facing murder charges. @abc

GMA Video: Video: Fiance of missing Colorado mom arrested on murder charges

 

[jaspermac]

In Michigan if it's proven that Father murdered Mother it is an automatic termination of parental rights.

Of course, but that doesn't include his family.