CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #15 *ARREST*

[Gardener1850]

Loads deleted by myself for brevity.

Gardener, your post was just wonderful.
So much info, all together.
Thank you.
I have noticed your posts on other sites, and you constantly do this.

After this marathon effort you must be exhausted.

Thank you tmar, that is very kind.

I just want to note that I am only here on Websleuths.
If you see someone copying my posts to other sites, it is not me posting.

I do like to make lists of facts we know and timelines for many case threads here on WS though.

 

[jewelsmac]

It would be interesting to hear what his classmates said about his grades. I have the opposite feeling, that he is pretty smart, but perhaps life on a farm, with mom and nothing happening, somehow broke him? I am in any way condoning him, but there is a whiff of hopelessness in the whole situation, as if PF saw baby K as the only bright spot in his life.

(BTW, how much can we comment on his mom? I don’t plan to blame her, just noticing some things).

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[Tippy Lynn]

I don't think he drove 700 miles. Most likely not so far away, but he wanted them hunting around Gooding.

Yea I agree. Or she was dumped along the way there

IMO driving with a dead body in car for 700 miles is too risky, especially during the holidays when there's more travelers on the road.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

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[Charlot123]

That had to be a plea deal. The sentence in WA for first degree murder is life.

I would not be surprised if he had true mental illness - sounds like he was a transient who came across as higher functioning that he really was. But he showed understanding of the fact that a crime had been committed by the attempt to get rid of the body. So, not really incompetent but hovering above that line. JMO. I hadn’t seen the news at that time, only know about that dating app they were using.

 

[BRRI]

IMO driving with a dead body in car for 700 miles is too risky, especially during the holidays when there's more travelers on the road.

I do think back roads were used, if at all

 

[jewelsmac]

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I thought it was something like that, something a kin to IMO. But I’m still learning all the lingo and secret handshakes. THANKS

 

[Whiteorchids]

IMO driving with a dead body in car for 700 miles is too risky, especially during the holidays when there's more travelers on the road.

Unless she was hidden in a suitcase or large dufflebag. I can think of two cases right now here in CA where two women murdered were folded up in suitcases. KB was petite

 

[Bravo]

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[jewelsmac]

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[Irmese]

No. He is not a vet, he has no license. However, he could buy it on the street. And online he could buy other “horse tranquilizers” with less responsibility.

He could have it on hand for his own horses, prescribed by a vet. It would have been illegal for him to administer it to customers' horses in his farrier business, but it is sometimes done according to American Farriers Journal. Here's a different link from the same publication describing a gel form of a horse sedative.

Product Knowledge: New Way to Sedate Problem Horses | American Farriers Journal

I'm not sure why people think he'd hesitate to use a horse tranq illegally since we know he's probably murdered KB.

 

[katydid23]

I would think it be awfully risky to be driving 700 miles with a body in your car. But who knows

They didn't need to drive the body that far. Probably wouldn't put the body anywhere near where the phone pinged anyway because that was intended as a misdirection ploy. Just an hour or two would probably take them past some remote places.

 

[jewelsmac]

They didn't need to drive the body that far. Probably wouldn't put the body anywhere near where the phone pinged anyway because that was intended as a misdirection ploy. Just an hour or two would probably take them past some remote places.

agreed

 

[Whiteorchids]

Geez why do men murder

They didn't need to drive the body that far. Probably wouldn't put the body anywhere near where the phone pinged anyway because that was intended as a misdirection ploy. Just an hour or two would probably take them past some remote places.

I agree with you

 

[MassGuy]

I think this horse tranquilizer thing is missing the mark. Even if he had access to such a thing, that in no way means that he used it in the commission of this crime.

He likely had access to a gun, and I don’t think he used that either.

Law enforcement believes that she was killed in that house, and to me that means one thing:

They found blood.

Most killers don’t use tranquilizers to disable and kill their victims.

Kelsey was no match for Cowboy Pat, and he didn’t need that type of thing to kill her.

We’ve heard anecdotal accounts of physical abuse involving PF and animals. I don’t think that it’s a stretch to think he did the same thing to Kelsey.

Only it was fatal.

It’s something a bully would do, and Cowboy Pat is nothing if not a bully.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

He could have it on hand for his own horses, prescribed by a vet. It would have been illegal for him to administer it to customers' horses in his farrier business, but it is sometimes done according to American Farriers Journal. Here's a different link from the same publication describing a gel form of a horse sedative.

Product Knowledge: New Way to Sedate Problem Horses | American Farriers Journal

I'm not sure why people think he'd hesitate to use a horse tranq illegally since we know he's probably murdered KB.

Considering PF is in jail and charged with 1st degree murder and solicitation to commit murder it wouldn't surprise me.
jmo

 

[NanZDrew]

Exactly!

Yea I agree. Or she was dumped along the way there

 

[katydid23]

He could have it on hand for his own horses, prescribed by a vet. It would have been illegal for him to administer it to customers' horses in his farrier business, but it is sometimes done according to American Farriers Journal. Here's a different link from the same publication describing a gel form of a horse sedative.

Product Knowledge: New Way to Sedate Problem Horses | American Farriers Journal

I'm not sure why people think he'd hesitate to use a horse tranq illegally since we know he's probably murdered KB.

I don't think he would hesitate using a tranquilizer. I am just wondering why he'd need to. ?

 

[alucardsdream]

Addressing Lyne’s killer, John Robert Charlton, Judge Spector told him Friday she would lock him up for life if she could. Instead, she sentenced Charlton to 27 ¾ years in prison, the harshest sentence she could hand down under the state’s sentencing guidelines.

What you did was vicious and cruel beyond anyone’s belief,” the judge said, adding Charlton’s crime was made worse by what he did to Lyne’s body after she was killed, dismembering her and disposing of her remains at different locations throughout Seattle’s Central District.

Man sentenced to more than 27 years for killing, dismemberment of Renton nurse and mother

I guess he lucked out by pleading guilty. Still seems odd, says he plead guilty of premeditated first degree murder. In Washington, max sentence for first degree is life in prison without the possibility of parole. I seriously hope PF doesn't get to make any kind of deal like that in Colorado!

Washington First-Degree Murder Laws - FindLaw

 

[heartgoesout]

I thought it was something like that, something a kin to IMO. But I’m still learning all the lingo and secret handshakes. THANKS

And sometimes we make them up as we go to keep each other on our toes.