CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #15 *ARREST*

[susiQ]

Exactly!

Although some disagree, I think it's possible too. PF thinking he did such a bang up cleaning job could have reasoned that if he gets the phone to ping in Gooding that would establish her as being there, so if they also found her body in that area LE may think that she came to harm after those texts were sent while she was on her way to her granny's. That's also what makes me consider that someone else took the phone there while he was establishing his alibi by being at home. Does that make sense? JMT

 

[Mom24]

True. But I do not know if he did or did not file a paternity action or if he did or did not sign the BC.

She didn't give the baby his last name. That makes me wonder if she put him down as the father, legally or not.

Maybe she wanted some leverage and wanted him to put a ring on it first?

I don't know what CO's laws are regarding putting a man's name on the birth certificate. Some states don't allow it unless you're married or the father has taken a paternity test.

 

[haven71]

Although some disagree, I think it's possible too. PF thinking he did such a bang up cleaning job could have reasoned that if he gets the phone to ping in Gooding that would establish her as being there, so if they also found her body in that area LE may think that she came to harm after those texts were sent while she was on her way to her granny's. That's also what makes me consider that someone else took the phone there while he was establishing his alibi by being at home. Does that make sense? JMT

It does to me. That’s what I essentially said a few pages back.

 

[NanZDrew]

Although some disagree, I think it's possible too. PF thinking he did such a bang up cleaning job could have reasoned that if he gets the phone to ping in Gooding that would establish her as being there, so if they also found her body in that area LE may think that she came to harm after those texts were sent while she was on her way to her granny's. That's also what makes me consider that someone else took the phone there while he was establishing his alibi by being at home. Does that make sense? JMT

As much sense as can be made of a senseless murder.

 

[ReadySet]

I thought about it, but it seems so risky to drive a body all that way.

I may be in the minority here, but I think it’s very possible that her body is in Idaho.

PF went to all that trouble to make it appear that Kelsey was in Gooding, alive and well, at the time those texts were sent. IF he thought beyond that, beyond just doing that to buy him time and distance...it makes sense that he might also think “Ok, I’ve made it look like Kelsey was here in Gooding on the 25th. How can I make that falsity even more believable? I know, I will bring or have somebody else dump Kelsey’s body nearby. As if somebody else, probably random, came across her here and killed her.”

At least that makes sense to me. Why kill her and just leave her in an area close to him if he’s trying to prove she was en route to Washington? Why not dump her in an area that coincides more with the phone ping location?

JMO, and I realize he might well have disposed of her body right after the fact, much closer to home. Just throwing out another possibility.

 

[v0x]

Investigation continues after murder arrest made in Kelsey Berreth case

 

[jewelsmac]

I don't know what CO's laws are regarding putting a man's name on the birth certificate. Some states don't allow it unless you're married or the father has taken a paternity test.

really? in this day and age… The mind reels

 

[Snow Flower]

I don’t know if this has been posted. Here’s a beautiful pic of KB with her beautiful baby girl. The mug shot of PF is underneath. To me the baby has his eyes, KBs nose, not sure about the mouth.
Cops process evidence found in Kelsey Berreth's murder investigation now in Idaho | Daily Mail Online

 

[1mtroyal]

I wonder when the search warrants will be served.

Evidence in case of missing Colorado mom discovered in Idaho: Police
Detectives from the Twin Falls County Sheriff's Office and Twin Falls Police Department worked with the Colorado Bureau of Investigations [CBI] and the FBI to prepare and serve several search warrants as well as processing some items of evidence with the assistance of Twin Falls County and Twin Falls City Evidence Technicians," the police department's statement reads.

The way I read that is that is in reference to the search warrants that have already been served a couple of days ago.

 

[NanZDrew]

delete

 

[Jazzy5980]

On the horse tranquilizers, he might have used them, but I don't go with the theory of him having them to calm horses while working on his feet. There are other ways to hold a horse still and keep them from kicking. The way we used was have the horse step in a rope loop with his back foot. Lift the rope and foot and tie so the horse is standing on ONE hind foot. They can't kick with the other foot because they are using it to stand. It doesn't hurt the horse, and it keeps the farrier safe and the horse is still. Some people use twitches which I never liked.

Yep, hind foot works well. Agree, twitches are wicked.

 

[WildWest]

Yeah. The same thing happened with CW. People contorted from the beginning in order to find a way to blame her for her own death. But as I stated then, these murders are never about the behaviors of the victim really. They're always about the character of the perp. Because normal people don't kill because of custody issues or because they're having an affair or because their ex is dating someone new. They do it because there's something wrong with them.

That being said, it's pretty normal for us to discuss and contemplate the "trigger" for his murderous act. There's always something. Whether it's loss of control of the person, a desire to punish them, to be free, etc.

Agreed. And also on the rbbm.

 

[susiQ]

Unless he did that himself later.

My point is, why bother cleaning up if someone else did it? You're getting someone else to do the dirty deed to give yourself an alibi and then YOU go back and risk getting spotted there?

 

[Mom24]

I thought about it, but it seems so risky to drive a body all that way.

Considering how cocky he was, wouldn't sit with police for an interview, didn't report her missing, didn't even attempt to look innocent..I think wherever her remains are they'll never be found unless he tells someone. I think he's so sure she'll never be found is why he's so all fire sure he'll never be charged with her murder. He must have thought without a body he couldn't be prosecuted, and he couldn't be more wrong if he tried. I also think he planned this for months, I think he poisoned his family against her and I think they fell for his story just like her aunt did.

 

[cluciano63]

My point is, why bother cleaning up if someone else did it? You're getting someone else to do the dirty deed to give yourself an alibi and then YOU go back and risk getting spotted there?

Paranoia might drive one back...just to make sure it is the way they want it to be found jmo

 

[gngr~snap]

No. If he signed the BC......OR.....if a paternity action was filed and he was found to be the father, then KB could absolutely not move with the baby unless the court allowed it or PF agreed.

Colorado law asserts the child has the right to the love, support, and custody of BOTH parents.

Kelsey could’ve not moved with the baby out of state without PF’s permission or a court decree.

Which affirms to me that this is more likely some shady business that she found out about and it wasn't just him that was gonna go down.
Not relevant to the baby or their relationship.
There is a reason he has never "lived" with his child and her mother. For over a year!
Something she wouldn't tolerate and would turn him and anyone else involved into the authorities.

Maybe the FBI found an
"If anything happens to me note, file, etc from her work computer or something??
Moo

 

[SoVeryMe]

I don't know what CO's laws are regarding putting a man's name on the birth certificate. Some states don't allow it unless you're married or the father has taken a paternity test.

I shared a link earlier somewhere in here regarding this....in CO all the mother and father need to do is sign an acknowledgment of paternity...no DNA testing required.

 

[MyBelle]

He could have it on hand for his own horses, prescribed by a vet. It would have been illegal for him to administer it to customers' horses in his farrier business, but it is sometimes done according to American Farriers Journal. Here's a different link from the same publication describing a gel form of a horse sedative.

Product Knowledge: New Way to Sedate Problem Horses | American Farriers Journal

I'm not sure why people think he'd hesitate to use a horse tranq illegally since we know he's probably murdered KB.

A tranquilizer implies compassion for suffering. PF is incapable of empathy whether it be a horse, dog, a human.

JMO

 

[Snow Flower]

Which affirms to me that this is more likely some shady business that she found out about and it wasn't just him that was gonna go down.
Not relevant to the baby or their relationship.
There is a reason he has never "lived" with his child and her mother. For over a year!
Something she wouldn't tolerate and would turn him and anyone else involved into the authorities.

Maybe the FBI found an
"If anything happens to me note, file, etc from her work computer or something??
Moo

I think the mother was the fly in the marital ointment. She needed him to do the work there and most of the time Mother’s of son’s and the son’s gf or wife don’t do well living in the same house. KB would have been simply a guest in someone else’s home.

 

[jewelsmac]

Considering how cocky he was, wouldn't sit with police for an interview, didn't report her missing, didn't even attempt to look innocent..I think wherever her remains are they'll never be found unless he tells someone. I think he's so sure she'll never be found is why he's so all fire sure he'll never be charged with her murder. He must have thought without a body he couldn't be prosecuted, and he couldn't be more wrong if he tried. I also think he planned this for months, I think he poisoned his family against her and I think they fell for his story just like her aunt did.

^^ what she said