CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #15 *ARREST*

[BRRI]

No there were photos posted of him sitting inside the light colored pick 'em up truck

Ok. So I’m not crazy. I can’t find the picture now, but I’m sure I saw it

 

[nwmouse]

I do, if he did it in the bathtub, which is pretty standard practice as those things go.

I’m trying to make sense of the banging during the last search.

Drywall or flooring is the most likely, but if they were removing plumbing, that would be a telltale sign.

Yah, the first thought that came into my mind when LE went back to KB's home the past week was dismemberment.
I hope its not the case. At least if KB's found intact her family can have a proper burial. Its evil enough without desecrating a body like Watts did. (multiple times)
SMH.

moo

 

[girlhasnoname]

Ok. So I’m not crazy. I can’t find the picture now, but I’m sure I saw it

HAHAHA, nope, no crazier than the rest of us.

 

[BRRI]

I am not implying it is shameful,. I am calling out people who are saying that is the motive for her murder JFC

But how can you say it may not be? We know hardly anything. We are saying something she did, anything she did, could have made him snap. It’s not victim blaming. She could have sneezed and it caused him to snap. It’s not putting blame on her for doing anything wrong. It’s saying he has a mental problem that yielded a reaction that a healthy person wouldn’t have ever had. He killed her because he has mental issues of some kind. But ANY action by ANY person could be his trigger. Something in his distorted view, made him angry enough to kill.

 

[BRRI]

HAHAHA, nope, no crazier than the rest of us.

I was about to doodle what I saw because I recall the truck and trailer shape. I’ll spare everyone though!

 

[Deleted member 155000]

I am not implying it is shameful,. I am calling out people who are saying that is the motive for her murder JFC

Isn’t it clear that none of the motives discussed are an “acceptable excuse” for killing another human being?

But whatever his reason was, it was HIS broken sick thinking that led him to harm her.

If he did it to get child custody, it’s not the daughter’s fault for existing...it’s his sick thinking.

If he did it for insurance money, it’s not his family’s fault for failing to be wealthy...it’s his sick thinking.

If he did it to try and keep her away from all other men, it’s not her fault for being open to others. IT’S HIS SICK THINKING.

 

[MassGuy]

Yah, the first thought that came into my mind when LE went back to KB's home the past week was dismemberment.
I hope its not the case. At least if KB's found intact her family can have a proper burial. Its evil enough without desecrating a body like Watts did. (multiple times)
SMH.

moo

Yeah. My thinking is that previous searches missed something.

Something in that house appears to have told them she was dead, so I’m assuming that means blood.

For them to miss blood, would be a bit surprising.

It would be less surprising, if that blood evidence was contained to the bathtub drain.

That, combined with the fact that dismemberment would make removing her body easier, makes me think that this is plausible.

He also had the time to do this.

It’s by no means a certainty, but it kinda makes sense.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Just looking at her stats again. She was sooo tiny. My 17 year old is roughly the same height and has around 8 pounds on her. She’s a size 2/small, sometimes XS.

PF was twice her size

As to not violate TOS I’ll just call him a disgusting bully.

You're a good person La, I let loose quite the rant last thread.

 

[Irmese]

Well not if your just going to strangle them or knock them out. I would think that would be faster than waiting for a tranq which could have killed her also if given enough.

She was small, one good bang on the head and she would be out cold. And then if she was strangled quick also if done by a very large man. Geeezzzz I hate even thinking of this never mind dismemberment, my head does not even want to go there.

So now that I went there, let me continue that scenario. Maybe it was not injected, but ingested. The article I posted from American Farriers Journal was about a gel form that must be placed under the tongue. So in wild speculation, what if HE made the cinnamon rolls and put that gel in the icing? Crazy, off the wall, no evidence speculation. I know, but that's where my mind went.

 

[BRRI]

Isn’t it clear that none of the motives discussed are an “acceptable excuse” for killing another human being?

But whatever his reason was, it was HIS broken sick thinking that led him to harm her.

If he did it to get child custody, it’s not the daughter’s fault for existing...it’s his sick thinking.

If he did it for insurance money, it’s not his family’s fault for failing to be wealthy...it’s his sick thinking.

If he did it to try and keep her away from all other men, it’s not her fault for being open to others. IT’S HIS SICK THINKING.

Absolutely. Motives are discussed from the accused’s POV

 

[girlhasnoname]

Yeah. My thinking is that previous searches missed something.

Something in that house appears to have told them she was dead, so I’m assuming that means blood.

For them to miss blood, would be a bit surprising.

It would be less surprising, if that blood evidence was contained to the bathtub drain.

That, combined with the fact that dismemberment would make removing her body easier, makes me think that this is plausible.

He also had the time to do this.

It’s by no means a certainty, but it kinda makes sense.

Nooooooooooooo MG, I don't want you to be right on this one!

 

[NanZDrew]

Lateral compression to the neck only takes seconds. That would be the best way.

You would be taking a huge risk giving a horse a tranquilizer without a vet present, or provided the vet had not already seen the horse and prescribed a tranquilizer. Weight is very important, and my vet requires seeing the animal before prescribing something like that. Horses could also had a reaction. You would be in big trouble if, as a farrier, you wonded or killed someone's horse. Roping horses, or any highly pedigreed animal for the matter, or an animal which special training can be around $25,000 and up.

I didn't state an opinion on whether he used a horse tranq or not, just that he could have had access to them.

ETA: It would make sense to use a horse tranq, wouldn't it? I never really considered it before, but that would be a way to control her and keep her quiet. Horrible thought, but very possible.

 

[MassGuy]

Nooooooooooooo MG, I don't want you to be right on this one!

Me neither. Fortunately, I don’t have a great deal of confidence that this is what happened.

It’s just way more plausible than in most cases where I say “no way.”

 

[esayer]

But how can you say it may not be? We know hardly anything. We are saying something she did, anything she did, could have made him snap. It’s not victim blaming. She could have sneezed and it caused him to snap. It’s not putting blame on her for doing anything wrong. It’s saying he has a mental problem that yielded a reaction that a healthy person wouldn’t have ever had. He killed her because he has mental issues of some kind. But ANY action by ANY person could be his trigger.

Sure it is, when people say all the things she did wrong, or the reasons he may be mad enough to kill her, those are all victim blaming. When in reality, the only motive was his mental state, that was all him and had nothing to do with her. She could have been someone else and he still would have had whatever issues he has to make him kill someone. So people really need to lay off finding all the little things wrong that Kelsey did, and focus on the actual murderer.

 

[Irmese]

That is where my mind went reading comments on how PF held K in some photos. My child and I knew how to get around while carrying her on my hip, then I cared for my friends child, totally different. He was used to being carried differently and it was awkward for both of us. Only explanation I can come up with is that PF's mother did do most or all of the child care.

Yes, my kids hung on to me with their legs. Every grandchild hung there limply, arms and legs dangling, LOL!

 

[WildWest]

I was about to doodle what I saw because I recall the truck and trailer shape. I’ll spare everyone though!

 

[esayer]

Isn’t it clear that none of the motives discussed are an “acceptable excuse” for killing another human being?

But whatever his reason was, it was HIS broken sick thinking that led him to harm her.

If he did it to get child custody, it’s not the daughter’s fault for existing...it’s his sick thinking.

If he did it for insurance money, it’s not his family’s fault for failing to be wealthy...it’s his sick thinking.

If he did it to try and keep her away from all other men, it’s not her fault for being open to others. IT’S HIS SICK THINKING.

I know that is what I am saying why are you yelling at me

 

[Charlot123]

I hear what you’re saying. I do. I just disagree with your assessment.

We don’t have clean evidence to support many of the possible motives being floated here...since we mostly just have differing and partial accounts from relatives...some of which are second or third hand.

We know they never moved in together and that at least one neighbor usually just saw him pick up and drop off the baby. We have heard she wanted to get married but he allegedly cited the economic downturn as reason they couldn’t do that. We have heard they may have broken up. We have been told they weren’t spending the holiday together. We are pretty sure that he killed her. So it’s logical to guess the relationship might have some challenges, ay?

Some of the most common relationship problems center on money, kids, and unrequited love...so it’s not outlandish to think she could’ve stopped loving him.

I personally DON’T think there is a second man. But I actually think it’s sexist that you keep implying that would be shameful if she did. She’s a grown adult woman who was with a guy none of us think highly of. As an independent woman, she had every right to be looking for someone else. Continuing to call out “dating around” as if it is somehow a negative behavior treats her like she—as a woman—doesn’t have the absolute right to set her own course and date whoever and as many men as she pleased.

In my opinion, we are treating her like a strong woman who—if things weren’t going well, should’ve had every option to date another man. You are trying to force us to believe she wasn’t strong enough to break away from him and set her own course...that we are only allowed to believe she still had eyes for him alone despite his shortcomings.

I don’t think there was another man. We just don’t have evidence to support any of the motives we are considering though. So it’s logical to think either thing.

NO ONE here is saying any of these things—custody, child support, another man, another woman, etc—is an excuse to kill. NO ONE. And no one here is shaming her.

I am a strong woman who doesn’t assume other women might not be acting out of strength too.

Agree 100%. Good luck to you in your career and life.

 

[BRRI]

Are we allowed to say this?

The family, on the approved Facebook page, has posted an address for anyone who would like to send cards or baby items.

See here for details if you are interested: Missing - Our - Kelsey Berreth


Sorry if this isn’t allowed, I’m not sure since it’s an approved family page

 

[nwmouse]

Except people are basically saying he killed her because she was with someone else, which a) there's absolutely zero evidence that she was, and b) still isn't an excuse to kill someone, and c) is total victim blaming in the context of the posts.

I agree.
There is no reason for a monster to kill. They do it because they can and its in their nature.

There is never justification to kill an innocent animal/child/woman unless you're evil.

And sadly these evil creatures fly under the radar until they go too far and make a mistake.

PF is defective like CW, SP et al. Just another rotten killer who destroys the innocent because he can.

Can't reason with crazy, imo.

moo