CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #15 *ARREST*

[MyBelle]

The commute might indicate she relied on PF's family for childcare. Not necessarily, love.

The one and only reason I would commute 140 miles each day (more than two hours in addition to hours on the job) is if I loved the father of my child.

 

[Auntie Cipation]

I'm wondering if she is somewhere between Woodland Park and Twin Peaks. That would have bolstered his alibi if she were found since the phone pinged in Gooding Idaho.

If only this were true! Agent Cooper to the rescue!

(teasing -- I'm sure you meant Twin Falls, not Twin Peaks)

Also, I will agree with you and guess that he (or someone) did drive her to Idaho. Probably her body, though I'm also playing with the idea that she was still alive when driven away. Of course this means that whatever evidence was found in her home wasn't definitive in determining that that's where she died. Maybe if he re-entered her home afterward, he left definitive evidence of her death at that point. It's a stretch, I know.

 

[BRRI]

Sure it is, when people say all the things she did wrong, or the reasons he may be mad enough to kill her, those are all victim blaming. When in reality, the only motive was his mental state, that was all him and had nothing to do with her. She could have been someone else and he still would have had whatever issues he has to make him kill someone. So people really need to lay off finding all the little things wrong that Kelsey did, and focus on the actual murderer.

That’s not how motive works in a legal sense. Otherwise everyone would be not guilty by reason of insanity. Obviously anyone who kills someone has a mental illness. That illness usually always has a trigger, and causes the killer to react.

 

[Deleted member 155000]

I know that is what I am saying why are you yelling at me

Sigh. I think it’s time to agree to disagree.

I don’t think it’s fair that you’re shaming people here for suggesting HIS possible motives. I don’t think they are blaming her in the least.

You’re free to see it how you do though. And I appreciate your concern for her, even if I disagree with how it is being expressed.

Peace to you.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Thanks. I wanted to put together everything that we knew about KB and PF from MSM statements. I'm sure there are some quotes and facts I have missed but this is a start. I have seen a lot of comments saying we know very little about them or their relationship, so I wanted to list what we do know about them.

Impressive, to say the least! Thank you so much.

 

[NanZDrew]

Great job! A huge amount of work! Thank you for that!

Thanks. I wanted to put together everything that we knew about KB and PF from MSM statements. I'm sure there are some quotes and facts I have missed but this is a start. I have seen a lot of comments saying we know very little about them or their relationship, so I wanted to list what we do know about them.

 

[nwmouse]

Yeah. My thinking is that previous searches missed something.

Something in that house appears to have told them she was dead, so I’m assuming that means blood.

For them to miss blood, would be a bit surprising.

It would be less surprising, if that blood evidence was contained to the bathtub drain.

That, combined with the fact that dismemberment would make removing her body easier, makes me think that this is plausible.

He also had the time to do this.

It’s by no means a certainty, but it kinda makes sense.

It would also be easy to scatter the butchered body parts randomly to get "rid" of her.

Its quite possible since her phone pinged from ID that her body parts may have been scattered there too.
PF wanted to move the trail far from home but he's just another stupid killer like Scott Peterson, Drew Peterson, Chris Watts et al.

They create a whole new category of evil/pathology and are arrogant enough to think they can outwit LE and Forensics.

Luckily they usually don't.

moo

 

[NanZDrew]

Or bags

Or ice coolers

 

[GoJacks]

The one and only reason I would commute 140 miles each day (more than two hours in addition to hours on the job) is if I loved the father of my child.

coming from someone from the area...perhaps she didn't like Pueblo. i know a lot of people that commuted from the Springs to Pueblo, because honestly it's not that great of a town to live in. Actually you couldn't pay me to live there.

(ranked worst city in CO)

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maybe there was a combination of reasons as to why she chose to commute.

 

[BRRI]

The one and only reason I would commute 140 miles each day (more than two hours in addition to hours on the job) is if I loved the father of my child.

I’d do it if it was my only way to get to work, and I had to work-as in, they were her child care and daycare would have been too expensive given her salary and living expenses, or maybe she didn’t find any daycare nearby suitable for the baby.

 

[NanZDrew]

It would also be easy to scatter the butchered body parts randomly to get "rid" of her.

Its quite possible since her phone pinged from ID that her body parts may have been scattered there too.
PF wanted to move the trail far from home but he's just another stupid killer like Scott Peterson, Drew Peterson, Chris Watts et al.

They create a whole new category of evil/pathology and are arrogant enough to think they can outwit LE and Forensics.

Luckily they usually don't.

moo

Or take her dismembered body to Idaho in an ice cooler and bury her deep in a grave on public property that is not connected to any of them. Cover her body well in lime to prohibit bacterial growth and slow decomposition and smells. It is already snowing there which would quickly cover up a clandestine grave. The only way you would ever find her would be if somebody remembered where they buried her and confessed.

 

[NanZDrew]

I hear what you’re saying. I do. I just disagree with your assessment.

We don’t have clean evidence to support many of the possible motives being floated here...since we mostly just have differing and partial accounts from relatives...some of which are second or third hand.

We know they never moved in together and that at least one neighbor usually just saw him pick up and drop off the baby. We have heard she wanted to get married but he allegedly cited the economic downturn as reason they couldn’t do that. We have heard they may have broken up. We have been told they weren’t spending the holiday together. We are pretty sure that he killed her. So it’s logical to guess the relationship might have some challenges, ay?

Some of the most common relationship problems center on money, kids, and unrequited love...so it’s not outlandish to think she could’ve stopped loving him.

I personally DON’T think there is a second man. But I actually think it’s sexist that you keep implying that would be shameful if she did. She’s a grown adult woman who was with a guy none of us think highly of. As an independent woman, she had every right to be looking for someone else. Continuing to call out “dating around” as if it is somehow a negative behavior treats her like she—as a woman—doesn’t have the absolute right to set her own course and date whoever and as many men as she pleased.

In my opinion, we are treating her like a strong woman who—if things weren’t going well, should’ve had every option to date another man. You are trying to force us to believe she wasn’t strong enough to break away from him and set her own course...that we are only allowed to believe she still had eyes for him alone despite his shortcomings.

I don’t think there was another man. We just don’t have evidence to support any of the motives we are considering though. So it’s logical to think either thing.

NO ONE here is saying any of these things—custody, child support, another man, another woman, etc—is an excuse to kill. NO ONE. And no one here is shaming her.

I am a strong woman who doesn’t assume other women might not be acting out of strength too.

And we also need to remember that so much about her last days and their relationship came from PF. Some of the things her family repeated were told to them by PF. Hopefully, we will hear evidence soon that will shine light on all this.

 

[cujenn81]

For some reason, I think it might be strategic that the sheriff and the police in Twin Falls came out after he was arrested to say that they were serving search warrants. The FBI did not mention that nor did anybody in Colorado.

I am thinking They would not have done that unless the FBI CBI was okay with them making that press release, or the FBI CB I actually wanted them to do that For some reason.

What could be the reason that they released that information?

I've wondered the exact same thing! Like why release a statement on 12/22 that says you were contacted by the FBI on 12/15 to assist with the execution of several search warrants related to the case but offer no other information about the nature of the search warrants or what evidence may or may not have been recovered. Why wouldn't they wait until they could confirm or deny that evidence was recovered and handed over to the FBI or why wouldnt they release it on the same day as the last press conference? It seemed weird to me... almost as if they just wanted to brag about their role in the investigation. Like they weren't given their due credit during the PC and wanted the public to know.

 

[1wonderleads2another]

I can lift up to a 120 person over my shoulder and I’m only 5 foot tall. My guy friends can carry regular sized women up flights of stairs easily. PF or another male, especially one 5’8” + wouldn’t have any trouble carrying KB, she’s petite. Especially one used to working with animals, working a ranch , or an athlete.

So if she was dismembered , I really hope not, it was to make her remains disappear

 

[NanZDrew]

Read TOS.

Best to delete that before the Mods see it or you may get a time out. We can't blame family of the suspect or repeat rumor.

 

[NanZDrew]

Maybe they are trying to flush some rats from their holes.

I've wondered the exact same thing! Like why release a statement on 12/22 that says you were contacted by the FBI on 12/15 to assist with the execution of several search warrants related to the case but offer no other information about the nature of the search warrants or what evidence may or may not have been recovered. Why wouldn't they wait until they could confirm or deny that evidence was recovered and handed over to the FBI or why wouldnt they release it on the same day as the last press conference? It seemed weird to me... almost as if they just wanted to brag about their role in the investigation. Like they weren't given their due credit during the PC and wanted the public to know.

 

[gitana1]

Except people are basically saying he killed her because she was with someone else, which a) there's absolutely zero evidence that she was, and b) still isn't an excuse to kill someone, and c) is total victim blaming in the context of the posts.

Yeah. The same thing happened with CW. People contorted from the beginning in order to find a way to blame her for her own death. But as I stated then, these murders are never about the behaviors of the victim really. They're always about the character of the perp. Because normal people don't kill because of custody issues or because they're having an affair or because their ex is dating someone new. They do it because there's something wrong with them.

That being said, it's pretty normal for us to discuss and contemplate the "trigger" for his murderous act. There's always something. Whether it's loss of control of the person, a desire to punish them, to be free, etc.

 

[Deleted member 155000]

And we also need to remember that so much about her last days and their relationship came from PF. Some of the things her family repeated were told to them by PF. Hopefully, we will hear evidence soon that will shine light on all this.

Agreed. There’s so much we don’t know. A theory we strongly disagree with or think is unlikely could end up being right in the end.

 

[MyBelle]

I’d do it if it was my only way to get to work, and I had to work-as in, they were her child care and daycare would have been too expensive given her salary and living expenses, or maybe she didn’t find any daycare nearby suitable for the baby.

I doubt the 2+hour commute without her child was KB's choice. I'm betting it was PF's manipulation because he didn't want to pay child support.

 

[NanZDrew]

Dang, your pretty strong. That tiny little thing would have been nothing for PF to manage. I believe he was 6'3" and over 200 pounds. He could easily have lifted her with one hand.

I can lift up to a 120 person over my shoulder and I’m only 5 foot tall. My guy friends can carry regular sized women up flights of stairs easily. PF or another male, especially one 5’8” + wouldn’t have any trouble carrying KB, she’s petite. Especially one used to working with animals, working a ranch , or an athlete.

So if she was dismembered , I really hope not, it was to make her remains disappear