CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #15 *ARREST*

[sun16]

That’s the most the law allows. Can you believe that.

Totally crazy!

 

[tmar]

Agreed. He had at least 10 days. Mom didn't become concerned until Dec 2. HE never reported her missing or asked for a welfare check. Then the texts to her work and "to him" were also IMO buying him time and meant to lead LE astray when and if they became involved. He may have even had time to repaint her place if indeed he did to cover up blood spatter.

I'm curious as to why, if this was preplanned and "thought out" then why would there be such a mess and why did it occur at her home. He could easily have led her out into the woods to search for a Christmas tree, for example, and then there would be no obvious crime scene. Not so well planned after all.

I also feel, your last paragraph, would have been far easier for PF.
No obvious crime scene, and perhaps dispose the body in the wilderness, where animals would dismember the body.
No clean up, building work etc.

Therefore PF may have lost his temper at Kelsey's home,
and continued from there, still in a rage.
MOO.

 

[cujenn81]

Do any of y’all remember the tragic case of Ingrid Lyne from Renton WA a Mom and nurse who met John Charlton (monster) online and dated a couple months in 2016? I think he murdered strangled her after a date to a Seattle Mariner baseball game. He dismembered her in a bathtub with a saw. He basically was a drifter with alcohol problems. I think I remember LE finding pieces of bone, flesh and blood in the drain after they took it apart. He scattered her body parts all over Washington in trash cans.

Maybe PF did something similar?

Man sentenced to more than 27 years for killing, dismemberment of Renton nurse and mother

Man charged with slaying of Ingrid Lyne tells police: I’m ‘not a normal person’

YES! I followed that case closely and was absolutely mortified when I heard the length of his sentence. I guess if someone wants to commit murder and spend less than 30 years behind bars, they should move to Washington. RIDICULOUS.

 

[Jazzy5980]

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Any horse owner that cares about his/her horses appreciates the dangers associated with tranqs, both during and after tranquilisation and would insist on vet administering.

Seeking Relief: Current Directions in Equine Pain Management – The Horse

 

[gngr~snap]

Or bags

55 gallon drum liner would work. The thicker ones.

Moo

 

[Beamer15]

I also feel, your last paragraph, would have been far easier for PF.
No obvious crime scene, and perhaps dispose the body in the wilderness, where animals would dismember the body.
No clean up, building work etc.

Therefore PF may have lost his temper at Kelsey's home,
and continued from there, still in a rage.
MOO.

I keep going back to this same thing, if it was planned or premeditated- it wasn’t such a good plan.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I've wondered the exact same thing! Like why release a statement on 12/22 that says you were contacted by the FBI on 12/15 to assist with the execution of several search warrants related to the case but offer no other information about the nature of the search warrants or what evidence may or may not have been recovered. Why wouldn't they wait until they could confirm or deny that evidence was recovered and handed over to the FBI or why wouldnt they release it on the same day as the last press conference? It seemed weird to me... almost as if they just wanted to brag about their role in the investigation. Like they weren't given their due credit during the PC and wanted the public to know.

Hmmmm, I still lean more towards they got the FBI and CBI approval for it otherwise they could obviously be hindering another jurisdictions investigation by leaking that information so loudly.

 

[Inthedetails]

I don’t know if PF killed Kelsey all by himself or if he had help. Since LE believes he asked someone for help, I’m wondering if he wanted her dead but just didn’t have the nerve to maybe do it all by himself. If he did end up doing it himself, I’m thinking he’d try to take an easier/less messy way out. I’d be shocked if he dismembered her. It just seems like that would be too much for him.

I don't think he solicited someone because he didn't have the nerve to do it himself, but because if someone else did it, he wouldn't be caught. He'd have an alibi and be somewhere else. He surely realizes the boyfriend/fiance/husband is the first person who is suspected.

The fact he doesn't have an alibi (that we know of) make me think the person he solicited turned him down. Or, maybe he does have an alibi but since we haven't heard a word from him, we don't know about it.

jmo

 

[Charlot123]

I may be in the minority here, but I think it’s very possible that her body is in Idaho.

PF went to all that trouble to make it appear that Kelsey was in Gooding, alive and well, at the time those texts were sent. IF he thought beyond that, beyond just doing that to buy him time and distance...it makes sense that he might also think “Ok, I’ve made it look like Kelsey was here in Gooding on the 25th. How can I make that falsity even more believable? I know, I will bring or have somebody else dump Kelsey’s body nearby. As if somebody else, probably random, came across her here and killed her.”

At least that makes sense to me. Why kill her and just leave her in an area close to him if he’s trying to prove she was en route to Washington? Why not dump her in an area that coincides more with the phone ping location?

JMO, and I realize he might well have disposed of her body right after the fact, much closer to home. Just throwing out another possibility.

If someone else made the phone trip, yes. But if he made the phone trip, two trips might have been noticeable.

 

[esayer]

I view people who start complaining "victim blaming" when anyone just assumes that Kelsey, a beautiful, hard-working, independent mom might have fallen of love with Patrick and had another relationship, as prejudiced and misogynistic as people who assume that having a child out of wedlock is shameful.

There is a totally different way of viewing the whole situation.

One feels sorry for this strong, hard-working, beautiful mom, commuting long hours every day, to her dream job, not moving anywhere closer to D.Aviation, because she was locked in this relationship with Patrick, for the sake of raising her daughter with both parents. One feels even more sorry for her if she loved this disgusting . She deserved better, much better than him.

Logic prompts me that she was too exhausted and isolated to even look for a relationship. But if we ever know that she had one, a good one, I shall be only happy for her. Imagine how tired she was, to raise a kid, to work, and to be stuck with this Patrick, who, instead of gratitude for a child, thought of nothing better than killing baby K' s mother. One wishes that KB met a really deserving man instead.

Yeah you're completely distorting what I said but whatever.

 

[tmar]

I had a friend who we all thought had a pretty good marriage, until she Bacame pregnant. As her body changed her husband was apsolutely repulsed by her and told her often. When the baby came he wouldn’t even go to the hospital. Her Mother brought her home he took one look at her and said she still looked pregnant, and walked out. Her mother took her back to her home and there she stayed. Everyone had been appalled the whole pregnancy and held their breath while waiting to see what would happen. She started divorce proceedings. Needless to say, he didn’t have any friends left. And he never got to know what a lovely daughter and now Grandson he has.

Stunned, what a horrid story.
Poor lady, to got through with the entire scenario knowing her husband was now repulsed by her appearance.
Hope he finds in life, he is repulsed by others continually.
Surely, anyone who knew of this story, would think this.
MOO.

 

[tmar]

Lol, can you imagine that phone call from WM to LE, "Hey, y'all need to look out the window right now."

Well, LE probably all knew that PF was responsible by then.
They would have all been volunteering:
"I am going to check this out".
"No, let me".
"No, it's my turn".
"OK, let's all go, and give him ----".
MOO.

 

[katydid23]

I have never known a farrier to sedate a horse ever. It is up to the owner, you either call a vet or you can do it yourself.
There were horses on his property and he certainly might have had some stocked in his barn.
Why do you think he tranqed her? What would the point be if as I said he/they were going to do away with her anyway.
I just do not get this horse tranq. thing.

I agree. I guess if I was going to try and kill my big strong husband, I might tranquilize him first. But I don't see any reason that PF would need to drug a small, petite woman first. JMO

 

[Nemellotus]

He had so much time. JMO But, you really can never get rid of a body without leaving something behind. A hair, DNA, a cell, a piece of skin... dot of blood and fluid. Unless he was in a bio suit in a lavatory, they will find something, somewhere... one day. This may go on for some time.

 

[Charlot123]

Yeah you're completely distorting what I said but whatever.

Sorry.

And I really did not mean my post to be abrasive not offensive. It was not necessarily directed at you, just my general attitude to the situation. I respect your well thought of and wise posts.

 

[KSinMT]

Do you guys think it's a possible someone else actually did the killing, hired by PF? I've been wondering if maybe they found evidence on his phone, or maybe they have evidence he paid someone..but they haven't quite figured out yet who he solicited. Most people here seem to think he ended up doing it himself for whatever reason, but Idk if I'm totally convinced he did.

 

[susiQ]

Do any of y’all remember the tragic case of Ingrid Lyne from Renton WA a Mom and nurse who met John Charlton (monster) online and dated a couple months in 2016? I think he murdered strangled her after a date to a Seattle Mariner baseball game. He dismembered her in a bathtub with a saw. He basically was a drifter with alcohol problems. I think I remember LE finding pieces of bone, flesh and blood in the drain after they took it apart. He scattered her body parts all over Washington in trash cans.

Maybe PF did something similar?

Man sentenced to more than 27 years for killing, dismemberment of Renton nurse and mother

Man charged with slaying of Ingrid Lyne tells police: I’m ‘not a normal person’

My thoughts on dating sites is, PLEASE stay away from them! Sincerely hoping they find KB "whole".

 

[sun16]

I don't think he solicited someone because he didn't have the nerve to do it himself, but because if someone else did it, he wouldn't be caught. He'd have an alibi and be somewhere else. He surely realizes the boyfriend/fiance/husband is the first person who is suspected.

The fact he doesn't have an alibi (that we know of) make me think the person he solicited turned him down. Or, maybe he does have an alibi but since we haven't heard a word from him, we don't know about it.

jmo

Well that too crossed my mind, yes. I guess we’ll know more soon.

 

[jewelsmac]

While reading everyone’s interesting theories, knowledgeable posts, something occurred to me. IMO ..It seems that we’re giving this guy an awful lot of credit. I don’t know whether it’s due to The bogeyman factor in movies, or books where the killer is always very clever, out thinking everyone. If the dump run is any indication,I don’t think that guy is that bright.

 

[Whiteorchids]

JMO but I think LE took surrounding drywall and some of the pipes from the drain in KB’s bathroom I think Just Like Ingrid Lyne I posted I think flesh, blood and bone was found and that’s why LE said that they believe her “gruesome murder” took place in KB house. Some of Ingrid Lynes body parts were found in an ice chest cooler. I believe that could have happened here as well. Being that PF was a cattle farmer and worked with animals I’m sure he would have knowledge how to dismember a corpse. IMO. I’m sorry if this post is offensive.