CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #15 *ARREST*

[1wonderleads2another]

I’m her size. I cannot confirm nor deny that I have tried this, but if I did try, I will say that I most definitely could easily fit in a suitcase.

I will also not confirm or deny but it’s possible that when I was a big box manager we had a 4’11 female associate (over 21 not a minor) who would let other associates put her in suitcases, Rubbermaid totes, Pretty darn small duffle bags and then they’d carry her around the store (I also may or may not have lectured them on not abusing our products!) ....and I will confirm MANY of my young male associates would hide in the garbage cans and jump out and scare me to death when I was checking, at close , to make sure the aisles were straightened. (The accuracy of the show Superstore is sad but true!)

So I really don’t think it’s too hard to hide anyone under 5’8” who is average weight in something that no one would ever notice as unusual.

 

[NanZDrew]

He had so much time. JMO But, you really can never get rid of a body without leaving something behind. A hair, DNA, a cell, a piece of skin... dot of blood and fluid. Unless he was in a bio suit in a lavatory, they will find something, somewhere... one day. This may go on for some time.

That bio suit would be evidence.

 

[jewelsmac]

I have a question, which I believe has been answered in one of the 13 previous versions of this thread. In Colorado, what is the definition of solicitation of murder.?

 

[Charlot123]

If attention is switching to Idaho, I remember @stillta who mentioned the Perrina Bridge at Twin Falls, or maybe Snake River Gorge that had also been mentioned?

One thing why I keep coming mentally to Twin Falls, it seems to have a lot of life in Idaho. At least per Google. I am thinking that one would oversee a car from another state, or a 6’4” good-looking man in a more populous place.

 

[gitana1]

YES! I followed that case closely and was absolutely mortified when I heard the length of his sentence. I guess if someone wants to commit murder and spend less than 30 years behind bars, they should move to Washington. RIDICULOUS.

That had to be a plea deal. The sentence in WA for first degree murder is life.

 

[jewelsmac]

I will also not confirm or deny but it’s possible that when I was a big box manager we had a 4’11 female associate (over 21 not a minor) who would let other associates put her in suitcases, Rubbermaid totes, Pretty darn small duffle bags and then they’d carry her around the store (I alsi or may not have lectured them on not abusing our products!) ....and I will confirm MANY of my young male associates would hide in the garbage cans and jump out and scare me to death when I was checking at close to make sure the aisles were straightened. (The accuracy of the show Superstore is sad but true!)

So I really don’t think it’s too hard to hide anyone under 5’8” who is average weight in something that no one would ever notice as unusual.

True. And also I think you need to kick some young male associate . Just saying

 

[jewelsmac]

I agree. Burial is better. After a while, as we learned from Scott Petersen, bones and ligaments separate and things rise. But I bet they didn't take her all the way to Idaho, but then again...you never know.

I would think it be awfully risky to be driving 700 miles with a body in your car. But who knows

 

[NanZDrew]

I don't think he solicited someone because he didn't have the nerve to do it himself, but because if someone else did it, he wouldn't be caught. He'd have an alibi and be somewhere else. He surely realizes the boyfriend/fiance/husband is the first person who is suspected.

The fact he doesn't have an alibi (that we know of) make me think the person he solicited turned him down. Or, maybe he does have an alibi but since we haven't heard a word from him, we don't know about it.

jmo

That could explain why he was so cocky and wouldn't interview. He thought there was nothing to tie him to the crime and he had alibis.

 

[BRRI]

Do you guys think it's a possible someone else actually did the killing, hired by PF? I've been wondering if maybe they found evidence on his phone, or maybe they have evidence he paid someone..but they haven't quite figured out yet who he solicited. Most people here seem to think he ended up doing it himself for whatever reason, but Idk if I'm totally convinced he did.

Yes I could see it happening.

 

[gngr~snap]

"Corsentino believes if they have come to the conclusion that she is no longer living then they must have some DNA proof. He speculates they could posses signs of a struggle in her home, DNA on clothing, or perhaps markings on Frazee himself. "

Investigation continues after murder arrest made in Kelsey Berreth case

 

[tmar]

What we know about ...
....
Mother of missing Colorado mom speaks out on daughter's disappearance
Mother of Kelsey Berreth asked about relationship between and her daughter and her fiancé
Kelsey Berreth: Police Search Fiancé’s Ranch In Hunt For Missing Colorado Mom
Fiance of missing Kelsey Berreth voluntarily releases cell phone, DNA sample to law enforcement
Fiancee of missing Colorado mom Kelsey Berreth is arrested and charged with murder | Daily Mail Online
Patrick Frazee: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com
Kelsey Berreth's Fiance Is a 'Gentle Soul' Who Would Never Hurt Anyone, Friend Says
Neighbor of missing mom Kelsey Berreth says she saw red pickup truck, possibly fiance Patrick Frazee’s, at her home the day she went missing

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Gardener, your post was just wonderful.
So much info, all together.
Thank you.
I have noticed your posts on other sites, and you constantly do this.

After this marathon effort you must be exhausted.

 

[Irmese]

I agree. I guess if I was going to try and kill my big strong husband, I might tranquilize him first. But I don't see any reason that PF would need to drug a small, petite woman first. JMO

Not just to sedate her, but to kill her. Poisoning by ingestion is something women usually do, but sometimes men do it. Horse tranquilizers have been used in other murder cases where the victim has been injected. I'm not saying it happened, someone asked if he might have some on hand and he could have.

 

[thesensitivechild]

I may be in the minority here, but I think it’s very possible that her body is in Idaho.

PF went to all that trouble to make it appear that Kelsey was in Gooding, alive and well, at the time those texts were sent. IF he thought beyond that, beyond just doing that to buy him time and distance...it makes sense that he might also think “Ok, I’ve made it look like Kelsey was here in Gooding on the 25th. How can I make that falsity even more believable? I know, I will bring or have somebody else dump Kelsey’s body nearby. As if somebody else, probably random, came across her here and killed her.”

At least that makes sense to me. Why kill her and just leave her in an area close to him if he’s trying to prove she was en route to Washington? Why not dump her in an area that coincides more with the phone ping location?

JMO, and I realize he might well have disposed of her body right after the fact, much closer to home. Just throwing out another possibility.

I agree with this theory. It’s a good one. Why he needed someone to drive with the body. That way he could be with the child and raise no red flags, while someone else is dealing with dumping and setting up a false narrative regarding Kelsey’s movements.

 

[gregjrichards]

Would he have access to ketamine which is also used as a horse tranquilliser?

 

[NanZDrew]

I would think it be awfully risky to be driving 700 miles with a body in your car. But who knows

I don't think he drove 700 miles. Most likely not so far away, but he wanted them hunting around Gooding.

 

[Charlot123]

While reading everyone’s interesting theories, knowledgeable posts, something occurred to me. IMO ..It seems that we’re giving this guy an awful lot of credit. I don’t know whether it’s due to The bogeyman factor in movies, or books where the killer is always very clever, out thinking everyone. If the dump run is any indication,I don’t think that guy is that bright.

It would be interesting to hear what his classmates said about his grades. I have the opposite feeling, that he is pretty smart, but perhaps life on a farm, with mom and nothing happening, somehow broke him? I am in any way condoning him, but there is a whiff of hopelessness in the whole situation, as if PF saw baby K as the only bright spot in his life.

(BTW, how much can we comment on his mom? I don’t plan to blame her, just noticing some things).

 

[Charlot123]

Would he have access to ketamine which is also used as a horse tranquilliser?

No. He is not a vet, he has no license. However, he could buy it on the street. And online he could buy other “horse tranquilizers” with less responsibility.

 

[BRRI]

I don't think he drove 700 miles. Most likely not so far away, but he wanted them hunting around Gooding.

Yea I agree. Or she was dumped along the way there

 

[cattlekate]

I am still going with 'custody battle' as the main motive. Until I know for sure that he was on the birth certificate, I think he was worried about her moving back home, and taking 'his' child. JMO

If he was not on the BC, and they never lived together, then I don't think he would have been able to stop her from moving.

No. If he signed the BC......OR.....if a paternity action was filed and he was found to be the father, then KB could absolutely not move with the baby unless the court allowed it or PF agreed.

Colorado law asserts the child has the right to the love, support, and custody of BOTH parents.

Kelsey could’ve not moved with the baby out of state without PF’s permission or a court decree.

 

[Whiteorchids]

That had to be a plea deal. The sentence in WA for first degree murder is life.

Addressing Lyne’s killer, John Robert Charlton, Judge Spector told him Friday she would lock him up for life if she could. Instead, she sentenced Charlton to 27 ¾ years in prison, the harshest sentence she could hand down under the state’s sentencing guidelines.

What you did was vicious and cruel beyond anyone’s belief,” the judge said, adding Charlton’s crime was made worse by what he did to Lyne’s body after she was killed, dismembering her and disposing of her remains at different locations throughout Seattle’s Central District.

Man sentenced to more than 27 years for killing, dismemberment of Renton nurse and mother