CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #15 *ARREST*

[Tippy Lynn]

Considering how cocky he was, wouldn't sit with police for an interview, didn't report her missing, didn't even attempt to look innocent..I think wherever her remains are they'll never be found unless he tells someone. I think he's so sure she'll never be found is why he's so all fire sure he'll never be charged with her murder. He must have thought without a body he couldn't be prosecuted, and he couldn't be more wrong if he tried. I also think he planned this for months, I think he poisoned his family against her and I think they fell for his story just like her aunt did.

I agree and I don't think he'll talk.
jmo

 

[BellaStella]

Is PF, really that stupid? He tells CB that KB was headed to grandma’s and she only leaves with her purse? Why not go to the trouble of packing a bag for her, he had plenty of time, make the “story” believable. Especially since you’re going to make her phone ping in Idaho. Then he goes to the dump right after they searched his residence? Do you think that maybe he’s not altogether upstairs? Maybe that’s why he also was looking for someone to do it for him? He’s got family in LE, you’d think he’d know better. Maybe that’s why he also never spoke to the press. I also remember a comment that KB’s family thought that he was odd or something like that. Maybe because he’s mentally challenged? Maybe KB figured that out after she moved to Colorado and another reason why they didn’t have plans to get married. Just a thought....I just can’t believe that someone in their right mind could be so evil and stupid at the same time.

 

[NanZDrew]

really? in this day and age… The mind reels

I think that might be because someone else could be the father. They don't want a man trying to claim another man's child.

 

[NanZDrew]

Jennifer!!! We've missed you!

 

[EmilyVan]

I had something super profound to say about 8 pages ago but totally forgot what it was.

ANYWAY! It's entirely possible he did this all himself after the solicited refused or quietly declined (or something to that affect).

He had time to dispose of her body before driving her phone and other items to ID himself. If the drive there is roughly 12 hours he could have left on the 24th (or even very early AM the 25th) then drove back. After that he had a good 5-7 days to clean and make trips to the dump.

We don't know if search warrants are for private dump sites in ID or WHAT.

HOWEVER, I find it hard to believe he acted completely alone - but he could have.

I tend to think her body is NEAR-ish to his mom's property.

I think "they were loving" (per CB) could easily mean they simply respected each other as the parent to their child.

I think KB had no intention to move closer to Pueblo for work to then put her child in daycare full of strangers when the father was 15 minutes away.

I think if KB truly thought PF was in ANYWAY dangerous she would have taken emergent and legal action to keep him far the heck away from the baby.

But after typing that - maybe she was starting to wonder... who knows. We'll never know... unless a confidant of hers relays this during or after a trial.

MOO
IMO

 

[NanZDrew]

Is PF, really that stupid? He tells CB that KB was headed to grandma’s and she only leaves with her purse? Why not go to the trouble of packing a bag for her, he had plenty of time, make the “story” believable. Especially since you’re going to make her phone ping in Idaho. Then he goes to the dump right after they searched his residence? Do you think that maybe he’s not altogether upstairs? Maybe that’s why he also was looking for someone to do it for him? He’s got family in LE, you’d think he’d know better. Maybe that’s why he also never spoke to the press. I also remember a comment that KB’s family thought that he was odd or something like that. Maybe because he’s mentally challenged? Maybe KB figured that out after she moved to Colorado and another reason why they didn’t have plans to get married. Just a thought....I just can’t believe that someone in their right mind could be so evil and stupid at the same time.

Nobody ever said criminals were smart. Case in point.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

And sometimes we make them up as we go to keep each other on our toes.

ONS!

 

[ReadySet]

Yes, the Perrine Bridge in Twin seems pretty public to me. There have been suicides and there is base jumping. Just seems impossible in terms of a body, or even a purse. Maybe a phone. But I suspect there are cameras most places, I don't know for sure.
The Malad Gorge, same thing, although it's not as public. Maybe the phone. I don't think the Gorge would be considered as Twin Falls though. They are 40 min. apart.

If attention is switching to Idaho, I remember @stillta who mentioned the Perrina Bridge at Twin Falls, or maybe Snake River Gorge that had also been mentioned?

One thing why I keep coming mentally to Twin Falls, it seems to have a lot of life in Idaho. At least per Google. I am thinking that one would oversee a car from another state, or a 6’4” good-looking man in a more populous place.

 

[katydid23]

I may be in the minority here, but I think it’s very possible that her body is in Idaho.

PF went to all that trouble to make it appear that Kelsey was in Gooding, alive and well, at the time those texts were sent. IF he thought beyond that, beyond just doing that to buy him time and distance...it makes sense that he might also think “Ok, I’ve made it look like Kelsey was here in Gooding on the 25th. How can I make that falsity even more believable? I know, I will bring or have somebody else dump Kelsey’s body nearby. As if somebody else, probably random, came across her here and killed her.”

At least that makes sense to me. Why kill her and just leave her in an area close to him if he’s trying to prove she was en route to Washington? Why not dump her in an area that coincides more with the phone ping location?

JMO, and I realize he might well have disposed of her body right after the fact, much closer to home. Just throwing out another possibility.

That's absolutely something for me to think about. I was not leaning that way for a few reasons, but I could be way wrong.

One, I was thinking that he may have a close friend or contact in that area, and placing the body there would bring them further into this whole mess. And that might be a mistake?

Two, I was thinking that his bigger priority was making sure the body was never recovered, as opposed to wanting it found there. Placing the phone ping makes it certain that area would be searched. So placing her remains there might be problematic because it is never good for you if they find the remains, imo.

And third, just the risk involved of driving 700 miles with a decomposing body in the car or truck. So many ways that can go wrong.

Even if non one is looking for a body in your vehicle, cops are looking for drugs, weapons, illegals, etc. Especially through those corridors up through the MidWest to the North. Highway Patrol are always on the lookout for nervous, sweaty drivers, and one would be very nervous if pulled over with a body wrapped in a tarp in the trunk.

You ever watched LIVE PD? lol

 

[NanZDrew]

I don’t know if this has been posted. Here’s a beautiful pic of KB with her beautiful baby girl. The mug shot of PF is underneath. To me the baby has his eyes, KBs nose, not sure about the mouth.
Cops process evidence found in Kelsey Berreth's murder investigation now in Idaho | Daily Mail Online

This was taken the same day as the one with the baby's back to the camera. This picture is so sweet and tender that it makes me want to cry.

 

[gngr~snap]

I think the mother was the fly in the marital ointment. She needed him to do the work there and most of the time Mother’s of son’s and the son’s gf or wife don’t do well living in the same house. KB would have been simply a guest in someone else’s home.

My son and his girlfriend lived here a year and a half before they h ok t their own place.
I'm not divorced though, I have never depended on my child to help me get by.
That's perhaps the difference.
Learned helplessness or not letting the last son leave the nest because of dome co- dependent stuff?
I don't know.
**** and I'm not saying that is what went on with the mom either!!!
Just thinking of possiblities.
Moo

 

[EmilyVan]

Investigation continues after murder arrest made in Kelsey Berreth case

"Investigators say they have narrowed down their search for Berreth."

ooohhhhhh....

 

[Inthedetails]

I got a couple of pages behind this evening, but had to jump in to say that it is very interesting that WSers know what size person can fit into what size box or suitcase.

Duly noted.

jmo

 

[ReadySet]

Grades don't necessarily correlate with "smart." I'd be more interested in what his teachers had to say about him.

It would be interesting to hear what his classmates said about his grades. I have the opposite feeling, that he is pretty smart, but perhaps life on a farm, with mom and nothing happening, somehow broke him? I am in any way condoning him, but there is a whiff of hopelessness in the whole situation, as if PF saw baby K as the only bright spot in his life.

(BTW, how much can we comment on his mom? I don’t plan to blame her, just noticing some things).

 

[ReadySet]

I keep imagining him sitting in his cell thinking, "But I didn't talk! I didn't talk! I didn't talk like that loser Watts! "

Considering how cocky he was, wouldn't sit with police for an interview, didn't report her missing, didn't even attempt to look innocent..I think wherever her remains are they'll never be found unless he tells someone. I think he's so sure she'll never be found is why he's so all fire sure he'll never be charged with her murder. He must have thought without a body he couldn't be prosecuted, and he couldn't be more wrong if he tried. I also think he planned this for months, I think he poisoned his family against her and I think they fell for his story just like her aunt did.

 

[haven71]

That's absolutely something for me to think about. I was not leaning that way for a few reasons, but I could be way wrong.

One, I was thinking that he may have a close friend or contact in that area, and placing the body there would bring them further into this whole mess. And that might be a mistake?

Two, I was thinking that his bigger priority was making sure the body was never recovered, as opposed to wanting it found there. Placing the phone ping makes it certain that area would be searched. So placing her remains there might be problematic because it is never good for you if they find the remains, imo.

And third, just the risk involved of driving 700 miles with a decomposing body in the car or truck. So many ways that can go wrong.

Even if non one is looking for a body in your vehicle, cops are looking for drugs, weapons, illegals, etc. Especially through those corridors up through the MidWest to the North. Highway Patrol are always on the lookout for nervous, sweaty drivers, and one would be very nervous if pulled over with a body wrapped in a tarp in the trunk.

You ever watched LIVE PD? lol

It’s not my top theory, but you bring up excellent points. I just threw it out there as another possibility that could make sense.

 

[susiQ]

Paranoia might drive one back...just to make sure it is the way they want it to be found jmo

Whatever did happen, his plan to come out of this looking innocent or even planting reasonable doubt in anyone's mind is long gone

 

[ReadySet]

Do you know how far they were driven from crime scene? Wonder how far a body has been taken.

Unless she was hidden in a suitcase or large dufflebag. I can think of two cases right now here in CA where two women murdered were folded up in suitcases. KB was petite

 

[CuriousCricket]

I don’t know if PF killed Kelsey all by himself or if he had help. Since LE believes he asked someone for help, I’m wondering if he wanted her dead but just didn’t have the nerve to maybe do it all by himself. If he did end up doing it himself, I’m thinking he’d try to take an easier/less messy way out. I’d be shocked if he dismembered her. It just seems like that would be too much for him.

Plus, with the size difference, I think having her in one piece would make her easier for him to handle -- at least in the early hours.

 

[SuperTmo]

True. But I do not know if he did or did not file a paternity action or if he did or did not sign the BC.

She didn't give the baby his last name. That makes me wonder if she put him down as the father, legally or not.

Maybe she wanted some leverage and wanted him to put a ring on it first?

Even if he hadn’t yet established paternity, all he would have to do is go to court and ask for a temporary restraining order preventing her from moving while everything was sorted out. This isn’t unusual.