CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #16 *ARREST*

[MsBetsy]

My honest to God opinion is that she is somewhere close to home. I think his goal was to point them in the direction of southern Idaho, but I don't think that's where she actually is. Recall that his entire purpose is to make sure she stays hidden forever. So why would it matter where that is? If he has access to mines, etc. in CO that will likely conceal her forever, there is no need to move her across state lines and take the various risks that come with transport of a body. Instead, he just gets rid of the body close to home quickly, and then sets about making it look like she was in ID. No one has to actually find her there to make his story work, if it goes how he plans.

Again, just MOO so I could be way off, but I do think she's close to home.

I think so too. I wouldn't think he would make the effort or risk transporting her body that far. Much easier to dispose of it nearby and then transport the phone ( Or have someone else do it) to the other location. It makes sense that he would want authorities to think that she is somewhere in Idaho, while actually the body is nearby. He likely wanted it to look like she had been murdered while on the way to see relatives, and assumed that that's where they would look.
Could be wrong, but that's what I'm thinking. Imo

 

[bestill]

This is what I have been thinking also. There are to many areas right where he is to dispose of anything without ever being found. Why chance driving her to Idaho. And JMO.

Agree, he left her somewhere he's comfortable with and it's closer than Idaho. And I think he had it planned before it ever happened, jmo. Maybe not that very moment but he had a plan for her.

 

[Irmese]

A first time killer isn’t going to worry about that, as he’s got bigger fish to fry.

He’s got to worry about blood anyways, and most of the time, that’s something considered after the fact.

He’s a dumbass, not a criminal mastermind.

Obviously.

I think they may have found towels that match the ones in her house. That's something that might go missing without being noticed. Sheets and pillowcases are pretty obvious, unless it's crib sheets. All of those things in her house were pretty new, so broken sets would be unusual. I usually use bleach to mop my bathrooms because it disinfects and the floors are tiled. I use a different product for the kitchen linoleum and the laminated flooring in other rooms.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

My honest to God opinion is that she is somewhere close to home. I think his goal was to point them in the direction of southern Idaho, but I don't think that's where she actually is. Recall that his entire purpose is to make sure she stays hidden forever. So why would it matter where that is? If he has access to mines, etc. in CO that will likely conceal her forever, there is no need to move her across state lines and take the various risks that come with transport of a body. Instead, he just gets rid of the body close to home quickly, and then sets about making it look like she was in ID. No one has to actually find her there to make his story work, if it goes how he plans.

Again, just MOO so I could be way off, but I do think she's close to home.

As Foxfire used to say, confuse everything by doing it over jurisdictional lines.

Remembering Foxfire as we come up on the 29th of December.

 

[Hatch]

I hope the authorities made sure someone is caring for his cattle, horses and dogs.

In the photo of his house and land, looks like a small t-post and wire panel area and 3-4 horses the land is totally clean no grazing area, no equipment I can see but maybe a hay hauling truck up the hill. Really nice big home but see nothing to substantiate him being a cattle rancher. Of course do not think that pic is the whole 35 acre area. Home looks fairly new. No cattle that I can see.

 

[SuperTmo]

My honest to God opinion is that she is somewhere close to home. I think his goal was to point them in the direction of southern Idaho, but I don't think that's where she actually is. Recall that his entire purpose is to make sure she stays hidden forever. So why would it matter where that is? If he has access to mines, etc. in CO that will likely conceal her forever, there is no need to move her across state lines and take the various risks that come with transport of a body. Instead, he just gets rid of the body close to home quickly, and then sets about making it look like she was in ID. No one has to actually find her there to make his story work, if it goes how he plans.

Again, just MOO so I could be way off, but I do think she's close to home.

My thoughts as well. I’m sure that taking her out of state opens him up to some sort of federal crimes too. I can’t imagine he would do that. If she isn’t in CO, she probably isn’t anywhere near where her phone signaled either. She could anywhere. He had a 10 day head start!

 

[bestill]

I have a feeling he was going back and forth the week after she went missing like everything was normal. Otherwise wouldn't his family have been suspicious? Suddenly he has full custody of the baby and there's no meeting up with Kelsey would have (or should have) caused questions. I wonder if her parents ever met his family?

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

I am thinking it came through his phone...people that he called or texted...especially in the days leading up to the murders. Remember LE mentions how valuable the digital information was.

I do. I also believe they got her phone. I believe the Verizon spokesperson, the false ping I think was a red herring so to speak, that LE used to their advantage. To rope in 'mastermind/s'. Who only think they can outsmart Technology, and LE.
Trust me Verizon engineers are no slouches. I have no idea what they do or how they do it. I just know they do.

 

[jewelsmac]

And then he could prey on another victim garnering sympathy for himself pathetic man that he is.

absolutely. The new and shiny had worn off of his cowboy alpha male persona for her most likely. She got to know him, was no longer enamored, and he needs to start over with someone else. And single dad, who recently lost his fiancé. Sadly, women want to nurture this, fix it. . Hell, that’s a plot line for half of the romance novels out there.

 

[SandyQLS]

JMO
Ever since the ping was mentioned by LE to have occurred in Idaho I have been thinking there is a strong possibility her body was taken there too. The reason I think this is there is a purse and phone and body the perp has to get rid of. So to minimize the risk of things being found I would tend to think the perp would get rid of them all in the same place and at the same time.

I had not yet considered cattle processing people and places that he may have known about.

The question I have if anyone knows. In the processing plants for animals like cattle, is it typical that these plants would have incinerators?

Thinking along the lines of someone he may have known that would let him use the incinerator or even do it for him for a money payment.

That's a very good question. It seems that every scrap of an animal is today used for some purpose: meat, hide for leather, bones ground for various puposes. The only part I could think must be waste is the large intestine and perhaps blood; since madcow disease perhaps CNS/brain. But yes, I think a large incinerator would be necessary for some entrails that cannot be rendered into anything useful.

I have driven past a feedlot / slaughterhouse way out in the country many times. They have a small hotel, restaurant and landing strip. People actually fly in to eat the "freshest steaks anywhere!" I could never eat or stay there because even in winter cold, the smell of the air for miles is horrible. It is not just condensed urine + manure + mud, nor is it death or decomposition, or anything I could ever specify. I think you may have identified it, it is likely the smell of an industrial incinerator burning entrails and parts.

 

[Charlot123]

I get the impression that the person with the knowledge participated in some manner this would not receive the reward. Their reward is a lesser or no sentence. I get a strong impression LE knows where the phone actually is which is weird in and of itself based on battery life. Maybe, this person was to turn on the phone. Sending the text(s), and dispose of the phone but decided not to for their own protection. Just theories...

Protection or greed or PF planned to send another message to himself later, to divorce in absentia.

 

[SuperTmo]

I find it strange that not one media organization has not reported on this fact and given an update. They keep saying that his next court appearance and anything about this case is on the 31st.

I’m fine with this. Baby’s custody situation doesn’t need media all over it. This is going to be a highly emotional hearing for her family and quite frankly, I think it doesn’t need to be reported about. They have suffered enough. The last thing we want is media being all over it and then people showing up defending his family and why the baby should stay with them. I think the quieter the better.

 

[jewelsmac]

absolutely. The new and shiny had worn off of his cowboy alpha male persona for her most likely. She got to know him, was no longer enamored, and he needs to start over with someone else. And single dad, who recently lost his fiancé. Sadly, women want to nurture this, fix it. . Hell, that’s a plot line for half of the romance novels out there.

Just reread this and it’s very freshman psych 101, I know, but still…

 

[Charlot123]

That's a very good question. It seems that every scrap of an animal is today used for some purpose: meat, hide for leather, bones ground for various puposes. The only part I could think must be waste is the large intestine and perhaps blood; since madcow disease perhaps CNS/brain. But yes, I think a large incinerator would be necessary for some entrails that cannot be rendered into anything useful.

I have driven past a feedlot / slaughterhouse way out in the country many times. They have a small hotel, restaurant and landing strip. People actually fly in to eat the "freshest steaks anywhere!" I could never eat or stay there because even in winter cold, the smell of the air for miles is horrible. It is not just condensed urine + manure + mud, nor is it death or decomposition, or anything I could ever specify. I think you may have identified it, it is likely the smell of an industrial incinerator burning entrails and parts.

Agree. I am not a vegetarian but almost stopped eating meat. I don't like the taste. Either it is growth hormone in beef, or the way they are treated at megafarms, but it doesn't taste well.

 

[Hatch]

This is what I have been thinking also. There are to many areas right where he is to dispose of anything without ever being found. Why chance driving her to Idaho. And JMO.

MOO is Momma may be the brains of some of his after the fact ( murder) actions.

 

[SuperTmo]

Agree. I am not a vegetarian but almost stopped eating meat. I don't like the taste. Either it is growth hormone in beef, or the way they are treated at megafarms, but it doesn't taste well.

This will sound ridiculous but I only buy meat at the 4-H or FFA auction now. My neighbors and I split a cow and a pig. I thought it would be hard for my kid to do that having seen the animals alive at the fair but she could tell that the kids love the animal they raised and took great care of it. The first time she ate steak from a cow we bought she said, “this steak tastes like it came from a really happy cow.” So maybe you’re right.

 

[cluciano63]

I don't think he looks cold. I think he looks stoic, maybe resigned, or even relieved.

I think SF and PF had their mutually beneficial partnership established and they were comfortable - she helps him, he helps her. They have lived there quietly for 20 years since he was about 12. Enter KB, and then baby K. PF went quickly from 1 female to 3 females, each with different needs from him. I think he may have gotten to the 'my life isn't worth living like this' point, and the escape route became murder KB. In his mind, he may have seen KB as ruining his life, his previous tranquility and autonomy. He knew the consequences of getting caught would be prison, with men, and may have simply thought that it was better than his situation as it was. He is effectively now relieved of responsibilty for the needs of KB, SF and baby K, and his loss of his animals, rodeo, ranching lifestyle is costly to him, but prison is perhaps less confining, less stressful, and some sort of freedom.

I don't see PF as some sort of all-around bad guy. He has no criminal record, not even a DUI. He has no cases or sanctions from the farrier, rodeo, or cattle associations, or from animal control, or from the State.

I think he came to just hate KB and wanted to eliminate just her. I don't think he is like CW, a family annihilator. I never thought through this that baby K or SF or anyone else was in danger.

I am not defending his choice of action, and not victim-bashing. Like others, I am trying to understand how a seemingly average, quiet, non-criminal guy ends up committing this sort of crime.

I mostly agree, though I think he just wanted the child by this point and not the relationship. But I think overall his arrest and alleged deeds are a shock to people who know him as he probably had decent relationships with friends, co-workers etc...children can be a tipping point in many ways, and to some, the ultimate focus. Look at how many murders of spouses lead back to custody issues. He is not the first (if this was his motive.) And in some past cases, the older or grown children still pledge their support to the convicted parent. So most likely, some of these people did not have every evil characteristic known to man all along, i.e I have seen folks here suggesting PF may be into child , or that he abused the baby...no sign of any of that. Just a man who went out of control over what his needs and wants dictated to the expense of anyone who got in his way.

So yes, this guy seemingly has done the worst possible thing a person can do. But maybe not every other bad things people do as well. Not much of a justification...just not seeing him as a natural born criminal from the cradle, instead rather just another overly entitled male who took the ultimate step to get his way. Jmojmojmojmo

 

[Hatch]

I have a feeling he was going back and forth the week after she went missing like everything was normal. Otherwise wouldn't his family have been suspicious? Suddenly he has full custody of the baby and there's no meeting up with Kelsey would have (or should have) caused questions. I wonder if her parents ever met his family?

I am wondering if he was in contact with Kelsey's Mom during those 10 days, keeping her at bay that Kelsey was sick with flu or whatever ?

 

[finsfan]

I would guess that he overnighted the phone to someone in Idaho. It is easy to send using the US postal service... They even have automated kiosks where someone could mail it without ever interacting with anyone.

 

[Irmese]

It was reported in this article:

Cops process evidence found in Kelsey Berreth's murder investigation now in Idaho | Daily Mail Online

These properties are not listed in Teller County records, so Daily Mail must have searched wider. That said, we are not allowed to state the locations here if we have found them with our research.
(I'm not a mod, just stating my understanding of the rules )

They might also lease land from other, private land owners.

 

[SandyQLS]

Earlier comments indicated animal control picked up the animals.

Yeah, "comments" that are repeated until they live as facts.

SF owns the property and everything on it is under her control. She could have asked neighbors to take them, sold them, or made other arrangements for their care if the task is too physically demanding.

Do you have a link that animal control seized the animals? A case number? Were they a part of evidence seized on a search warrant? If animal control took seized several thousands of dollars of animals, they have to have cause, not internet rumors.