CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #16 *ARREST*

[enelram]

Yea, these genius guys keep forgetting the whole, "My wife/fiance/girlfriend went to visit a friend/her family" doesn't work so well when their cars are LEFT IN THE DRIVEWAY.


Hmmm. I just think if the baby is seen as such a burden and nuisance, then why kill the baby's mother and become a single parent? Ditch the kid on the mother and leave her to find alternate child care if that's the issue. Unless the guy pulls a CW and annihilates the entire family, then he's still left with the child, all the child care, and the entire financial burden all on his own, with no one taking weekends or contributing to expenses in any way. So if he doesn't have emotions and finds the child a pain, I don't see how he would "win" in this situation to kill off the mother. Just pawn the child off on the mother and be a deadbeat dad.

But it's so hard for me to speculate his motive without having any sense of their true relationship or how he feels about being a father. Was it simply to have control? Did he think KB was leaving town and he really cared about her taking the baby? Was it child support fears if she took full custody? It just makes no sense.

CW had no problem offing his wife AND his 2 adorable little
girls and then tossing their little bodies into oil Tanks.

Could it be PF's future plan was to eleminate little K. Put his
life back to where it was before he encountered the problems
of fatherhood and a relationship where others had expectations
of how he should behave and suddenly act mature and responsible. Hate to think what he is capable of.

 

[susiQ]

I think so too, and I thought that was a possibility or that she wrecked off the road in an area where she could not been seen.

But I could not get past both her cars being home. If she had gone off with someone else, then they had to be missing too.

That is the glaring mistake in this -- IMO.

If he could have driven one of her vehicles into a remote mountainous area and rolled it off the side of the mountain somewhere he would have been in much better shape.

BUT he would have been forced to hike back home, and the time necessary prob. created its own set of problems.

To me, the biggest problem was her cars being home.

And, those cinnamon roles for me too!

 

[The Farm]

She wants to look like an old lady who needs someone to care for her IMO.

I find that to be a terrible thing to say.

Do you know her?

I have a friend that was an emergency room trauma nurse for years, now in her 60's and had to take early retirement at 62 because her body is blown out, actually she walks like her.
I know you said it is your IMO but without knowing someone's physical limitations or problems I find that a nasty and very possible incorrect comment to make.

 

[bestill]

I am curious as to why PF's supporters seemed to paint Kelsey in a bad light on social media. Strange, imo.

 

[enelram]

I find that to be a terrible thing to say.

Do you know her?

I have a friend that was an emergency room trauma nurse for years, now in her 60's and had to take early retirement at 62 because her body is blown out, actually she walks like her.
I know you said it is your IMO but without knowing someone's physical limitations or problems I find that a nasty and very possible incorrect comment to make.

I took care of a disabled and later bedridden family member for
6 yrs. and I can tell you there were several times I wrenched
my back seriously, moving, pulling up, lifting, rolling and basically doing hands on care of a large, heavy patient.
Back problems are a real concern when you're a nurse. Now
I don't know how many of you are in your 60's or older, but
after a lifetime of hard, physical work, you're worn out and
the body is worn out, hurts every day and running after a
toddler and coddling an overgrown baby son is difficult.
I know.

 

[enelram]

I am curious as to why PF's supporters seemed to paint Kelsey in a bad light on social media. Strange, imo.

Because PF told them bad things about her once KB started pulling
away from him. Like in a divorce, one spouse badmouths the other
to everyone that will listen.

 

[bestill]

I took care of a disabled and later bedridden family member for
6 yrs. and I can tell you there were several times I wrenched
my back seriously, moving, pulling up, lifting, rolling and basically doing hands on care of a large, heavy patient.
Back problems are a real concern when you're a nurse. Now
I don't know how many of you are in your 60's or older, but
after a lifetime of hard, physical work, you're worn out and
the body is worn out, hurts every day and running after a
toddler and coddling an overgrown baby son is difficult.
I know.

Agree and the older the baby was getting the more active she was. She probably could handle her until she started walking. Maybe PF was stressed because his mother could't take care of little KB like she had been, he didn't have any money for child care and Kelsey was working long hours. No excuses, I'm just considering what may have been going on at the ranch.

 

[bestill]

Because PF told them bad things about her once KB started pulling
away from him. Like in a divorce, one spouse badmouths the other
to everyone that will listen.

Good point, wonder if he did this before she disappeared or after? Whenever that started would be interesting to know.

 

[The Farm]

I took care of a disabled and later bedridden family member for
6 yrs. and I can tell you there were several times I wrenched
my back seriously, moving, pulling up, lifting, rolling and basically doing hands on care of a large, heavy patient.
Back problems are a real concern when you're a nurse. Now
I don't know how many of you are in your 60's or older, but
after a lifetime of hard, physical work, you're worn out and
the body is worn out, hurts every day and running after a
toddler and coddling an overgrown baby son is difficult.
I know.

Thank you and I do know as I have major back issues myself.

Who knows SF could have already had hip and knee replacements, back surgery, we know nothing of that.

It's just when I see a comment like that and without knowing the person it irks me.

My nurse friend worked tirelessly for years saving people's lives that came into ER room situations and is a devoted kind person, I would hate to see someone say that about her.

 

[susiQ]

You make a good point about the projecting part.

To be honest, some of the comments in these threads, about this case, are so odd to me.

There is an enormous amount of romanticizing the life of the poor victim. The core of who she was will be forever lost. I’m not sure how she would feel about the neat box she’s been put into here.

The non stop talk about the small child in this case, I find incredibly off putting.

PF, well he deserves whatever speculation comes his way about who he is. The rational are trying to figure out the mind of the irrational.

Although, there’s a underlying degree of men bashing going on here by some. That makes me feel kind of bad for the guys in this group. I’m a woman and noticed it’s starting to gain more traction here.

I hope for KB to be recovered and returned to her family. For them to find peace, one day. KB certainly did not deserve this.....

"The core of who she was will be forever lost."
Never. This young woman will live on in the hearts of her family, friends and co-workers." I don't think her mom was "romanticizing" about her daughter. KB was an accomplished young woman that by all appearances grew up loved and loving.

 

[Noharg]

Reading over what I have missed last night and saw this, was thinking the same thing.

Off Topic/ what is CW thinking this morning, no kids gleefully opening their presents as happy as could be running all over the place, playing with their new toys all excited, SW loving every minute of it,no big feast on the table, no nothing except a prison cell.

PF same thing, he will not see his adorable daughter as he sits in his holding cell wondering his demise.

What are they thinking this Christmas morning?

IMO, I’m not sure they think the same way most of us do or feel the same kinds of emotions (remorse/guilt) and sentiments that most of us do.

Edited to correct grammar

 

[Charlot123]

I see two scenarios as to where the phone is. If the phone calls are meant to be a diversion, the person with the phone would keep the phone to make more "diversion calls" in the future. PF needs one now badly, but he was arrested now and cannot talk to the individual who has Kelsey's phone. The other scenario is that the phone was ditched since it is incriminating evidence. I assume law enforcement is working on Christmas day (today). Since NBC says there are search warrants going on in Idaho, they would be on private property since search warrants are not needed on public land such as barrow pits. IMO

From what I have learned about cellphones, reading these threads, i’d say, one should destroy the victim’s phone ASAP. But people might be greedy. “Oh, a new iPhone? Why don’t I just replace SIM card and keep it?” Something like it.

This phone is NOT necessary for diversion calls any longer. I’d pay someone to go to Mexico and text from Cabo San Lucas, using a local burner. I don’t know how actively Interpol would be able to help today.

 

[susiQ]

Good point, wonder if he did this before she disappeared or after? Whenever that started would be interesting to know.

Likely months before, helping to set up his alibi. Remember, he was planning this.

 

[K9Enzo]

"The core of who she was will be forever lost."
Never. This young woman will live on in the hearts of her family, friends and co-workers." I don't think her mom was "romanticizing" about her daughter. KB was an accomplished young woman that by all appearances grew up loved and loving.

I never mentioned her mother.

KB is a victim and her life put on display, nationwide. It’s only natural for people to discuss it. I am.

I do believe many here have romantized her life. It’s sad that she no longer has a voice to say who she really is. That’s all my point was.

 

[enelram]

Likely months before, helping to set up his alibi. Remember, he was planning this.

Agree.
Another thing I've been wanting to mention. For 'old-fashioned'
cowboy type men, they often view 'their woman' as their property.
And when that woman is self-sufficient, good money earner,
smart, educated, sweet and personable and lovely to look at- she is considered a good catch. I'll bet others wondered 'how in the he//
did he get her?' He really didn't have a lot going for him in the
'potential husband material' department.
So how does he overcome this when she starts to doubt her choice of PF and the honeymoon is over? He starts making
up bad stories and rumors about her. She's crazy, she's this or that. He had to do that cause he was deep down embarassed
that she had kicked him to the curb. And rightly so.

 

[Charlot123]

Because PF told them bad things about her once KB started pulling
away from him. Like in a divorce, one spouse badmouths the other
to everyone that will listen.

I think subconsciously one can not believe that his/her beloved relative can do such a horrible thing. People get in denial and look for other explanations save for the most obvious. JMO

 

[enelram]

I think subconsciously one can not believe that his/her beloved relative can do such a horrible thing. People get in denial and look for other explanations save for the most obvious. JMO

And sometimes family sticks up for family just because.....
No one wants to believe they have a murderer as a close relative.
I truly wonder if he was abusive to his mother and treated her like
crap. I would guess YES he was. Now I wonder if momma has
second thoughts about whether she, too, could have been a victim
of his anger and hateful behavior. I really doubt he was a loving
son all the time.

 

[makayla]

Wishing everyone a Merry Christmas! I’ve been thinking of the Berreth family and praying they can take some comfort from little K. It’s a very sad holiday for so many involved on both sides, all because of the selfishness of PF. Sending love to the Berreths, and may the new year bring more answers and ultimately penalize those involved in this horrific act.

 

[Lhughessk]

Likely months before, helping to set up his alibi. Remember, he was planning this.

We really don’t know how long he planned it. Could have been months before, or could have been a few days before. Solicitation charge does not give us a time frame. So it’s just as likely that he started bad-mouthing KB to his family after the fact rather than before. IMO, it was after. That is when he needed to garner sympathy and perhaps some funds to use for that private attorney.

 

[susiQ]

Agree.
Another thing I've been wanting to mention. For 'old-fashioned'
cowboy type men, they often view 'their woman' as their property.
And when that woman is self-sufficient, good money earner,
smart, educated, sweet and personable and lovely to look at- she is considered a good catch. I'll bet others wondered 'how in the he//
did he get her?' He really didn't have a lot going for him in the
'potential husband material' department.
So how does he overcome this when she starts to doubt her choice of PF and the honeymoon is over? He starts making
up bad stories and rumors about her. She's crazy, she's this or that. He had to do that cause he was deep down embarassed
that she had kicked him to the curb. And rightly so.

I agree with your conclusions on PF and the relationship. I just don't want to paint all cowboys/ranchers with the same brush. I'd like to think he is the exception.