CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #16 *ARREST*

[Gardener1850]

I think PF had to do something to delay searches, so on Sunday, before KB was due to be at work on Monday, he sent those texts to give himself more time before people got suspicious. It must've worked, look how many days went by before the wheels got rolling on her.

Yes, I agree that was probably why he sent the texts. But why wait until the last minute to send them on Sunday? Why not send on Thanksgiving or the day after? Or at least the work one--more notice before taking a spontaneous week off from work seems to be more believable than taking a week the night before. Maybe the contents of the text will make it make sense. But I wonder if the delaying texts were sent 3 days later because something in his plan didn't go as planned and he had to improvise and buy more time.

 

[riolove77]

My honest to God opinion is that she is somewhere close to home. I think his goal was to point them in the direction of southern Idaho, but I don't think that's where she actually is. Recall that his entire purpose is to make sure she stays hidden forever. So why would it matter where that is? If he has access to mines, etc. in CO that will likely conceal her forever, there is no need to move her across state lines and take the various risks that come with transport of a body. Instead, he just gets rid of the body close to home quickly, and then sets about making it look like she was in ID. No one has to actually find her there to make his story work, if it goes how he plans.

Again, just MOO so I could be way off, but I do think she's close to home.

 

[MsBetsy]

FYI, I read that PF's family has more land than the 35 acres. Complicated search...

Cops process evidence found in Kelsey Berreth's murder investigation now in Idaho | Daily Mail Online

Yes, it says that she owns two other properties in the area, but doesn't specify the amount of land. Since it says, "meanwhile" her son works on the 35 acre ranch, it gives the impression that it's the only property used for "ranching" or whatever it's called. I wonder what the other properties are. Imo

 

[InvSmith]

Agree: Money and or control ! Perhaps he had new interests on the horizon, a child would most likely not be a factor but a child and a ex fiancé might be a lot of baggage.

Over on Twitter someone posted KB's pin interest quote that said, " the giant in front of me is not bigger than the God inside of me." This literally tells everything I need to know about KB. She may have been facing a losing battle (to this I have no doubt she knew) but she would not let her daughter be a part of him. She would have battled Satan himself for her and he would have used that baby as his weapon against her. This was about control. He was willing to lose his freedom just so she could not have the one thing she wanted.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Not sure but when I read the reward details it sounded to me like
it was for the return "of a live person" not so sure there's a reward
if she's dead.

"The Woodland Park Police Department said in a news release Saturday that it "will pay up to $25,000 for information that leads to the location or safe return of Kelsey Berreth.""

Kelsey Berreth search: Police offer $25K reward, finish searching fiance's property

 

[riolove77]

I agree. If someone solicitated in a coverup, they would be charged with solicitation of a coverup or obstruction of justice or whatever, it would require a different charge.

Right. They would likely just be an accessory after the fact. If they declined, it could just have been, for example, solicitation to conceal a crime, or solicitation to tamper with a body, etc. It will be interesting to see what, if anything else, will be tacked on to the charges at hand.

 

[SuperTmo]

And in that booking photo he looks like either he or his mom cut his hair with a pocket knife.

YES! That is the perfect way to describe his haircut. And like I said, maybe his haircut is why I think he looks old in the family photo. She just looks young and glowing with happiness. He looks like he was photoshopped in to the photo with her and baby after being cut out of a weird 1990’s family picture photo taken at Glamour Shots and posted on Awkward Family Photos. He just looks dated.

 

[Mica]

I find the Daily Mail a poor source. The article implies the Idaho law people are working to execute search warrants....(going to serve search warrants in Idaho??????????) KMVT says the Idaho law people have worked with the FBI, etc to serve the search warrants....(the serving of the past search warrants around Woodland). You be the judge. IMO

Here’s another article saying same....

Federal agents and local law enforcement officials in Twin Falls, Idaho, have served several search warrants and “processed some items of evidence” related to the disappearance of Woodland Park mother Kelsey Berreth, Twin Falls police said in a statement.

On Dec. 15, the FBI contacted Twin Falls police and sheriff’s office to request assistance in the ongoing investigation into Berreth’s disappearance, police said in the release. Officials did not provide any details into what evidence may have been found or where authorities had served the search warrants.

Snip

The news of evidence collection in Idaho comes one day after Patrick Frazee, Berreth’s fiancé, was jailed Friday in connection with her death even though authorities have not found the woman’s body.

Possible evidence in Kelsey Berreth investigation found in Idaho

 

[The Farm]

My honest to God opinion is that she is somewhere close to home. I think his goal was to point them in the direction of southern Idaho, but I don't think that's where she actually is. Recall that his entire purpose is to make sure she stays hidden forever. So why would it matter where that is? If he has access to mines, etc. in CO that will likely conceal her forever, there is no need to move her across state lines and take the various risks that come with transport of a body. Instead, he just gets rid of the body close to home quickly, and then sets about making it look like she was in ID. No one has to actually find her there to make his story work, if it goes how he plans.

Again, just MOO so I could be way off, but I do think she's close to home.

This is what I have been thinking also. There are to many areas right where he is to dispose of anything without ever being found. Why chance driving her to Idaho. And JMO.

 

[calo44]

Any updates yet on what was found in Idaho and/or any arrests there linked to this case?

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Yes. It was talked about several threads ago. Media picked it up without properly researching it. Search Gitana's threads and she gives a great explanation of how this is a case filed by protective services, not by Kelsey. Someone might know the thread off the top of their head.

Has anyone contacted media, to ask them if they are going to go to this? If indeed it was done by CPS, I would think it would be in the news. But I'm not seeing it in the news.

The media is now all saying that his next court appearance is on New Year's Eve. But this court appearance is before that. Are they not investigating it for a reason?

 

[SandyQLS]

IMO in his booking photo ( mug shot - old school ) he looks very cold thru his eyes and he does not look like he has lost much sleep over this ordeal, he looks rested .

I don't think he looks cold. I think he looks stoic, maybe resigned, or even relieved.

I think SF and PF had their mutually beneficial partnership established and they were comfortable - she helps him, he helps her. They have lived there quietly for 20 years since he was about 12. Enter KB, and then baby K. PF went quickly from 1 female to 3 females, each with different needs from him. I think he may have gotten to the 'my life isn't worth living like this' point, and the escape route became murder KB. In his mind, he may have seen KB as ruining his life, his previous tranquility and autonomy. He knew the consequences of getting caught would be prison, with men, and may have simply thought that it was better than his situation as it was. He is effectively now relieved of responsibilty for the needs of KB, SF and baby K, and his loss of his animals, rodeo, ranching lifestyle is costly to him, but prison is perhaps less confining, less stressful, and some sort of freedom.

I don't see PF as some sort of all-around bad guy. He has no criminal record, not even a DUI. He has no cases or sanctions from the farrier, rodeo, or cattle associations, or from animal control, or from the State.

I think he came to just hate KB and wanted to eliminate just her. I don't think he is like CW, a family annihilator. I never thought through this that baby K or SF or anyone else was in danger.

I am not defending his choice of action, and not victim-bashing. Like others, I am trying to understand how a seemingly average, quiet, non-criminal guy ends up committing this sort of crime.

 

[bestill]

I’m still thinking the murder was unplanned, a spontaneous rage that day and the third party/parties will be associated with coverup and disposal of her body. I think he asked for help after the crime.

Could be additional charges coming. IMO

Why did he wait 3 days to send delaying texts from Idaho? Did he need more time to clean up or get rid of evidence? This is what keeps going through my mind as I try to figure out where KB's body could be located.

Her mother contacting him and the fact that she wasn't going to be at work on Monday. He had to do something to give him some time. Whatever he did worked, her mom was satisfied for a few days. Sad! I'm actually surprised he didn't text her mom with Kelsey's phone that day too.

 

[Jazzy5980]

He responded to the scene when a friend of mine was murdered in 1984. (She was only 16, we were sophomores in high school.)
Of course I didn't learn this until I came here.
Bless him!
Moo

I’m very sorry about your friend.

 

[Hatch]

JMO
Ever since the ping was mentioned by LE to have occurred in Idaho I have been thinking there is a strong possibility her body was taken there too. The reason I think this is there is a purse and phone and body the perp has to get rid of. So to minimize the risk of things being found I would tend to think the perp would get rid of them all in the same place and at the same time.

I had not yet considered cattle processing people and places that he may have known about.

The question I have if anyone knows. In the processing plants for animals like cattle, is it typical that these plants would have incinerators?

Thinking along the lines of someone he may have known that would let him use the incinerator or even do it for him for a money payment.

Typically in my area there are no incinerators at processing
plants, they have folks that pick up the hides and take them to Mexico for tanning, folks that pick up the rest of the waste for many other uses.

 

[susiQ]

Agree: Money and or control ! Perhaps he had new interests on the horizon, a child would most likely not be a factor but a child and a ex fiancé might be a lot of baggage.

And then he could prey on another victim garnering sympathy for himself pathetic man that he is.

 

[SuperTmo]

Earlier comments indicated animal control picked up the animals.

Good! I hope so. I always worry about the family pets (or in this case, livestock) that are left in the aftermath of stuff like this.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

That is inaccurate reporting. The custody hearing was set up by child protective services after PF was arrested. JMO.

I find it strange that not one media organization has not reported on this fact and given an update. They keep saying that his next court appearance and anything about this case is on the 31st.

 

[Gardener1850]

My honest to God opinion is that she is somewhere close to home. I think his goal was to point them in the direction of southern Idaho, but I don't think that's where she actually is. Recall that his entire purpose is to make sure she stays hidden forever. So why would it matter where that is? If he has access to mines, etc. in CO that will likely conceal her forever, there is no need to move her across state lines and take the various risks that come with transport of a body. Instead, he just gets rid of the body close to home quickly, and then sets about making it look like she was in ID. No one has to actually find her there to make his story work, if it goes how he plans.

Again, just MOO so I could be way off, but I do think she's close to home.

I agree. It doesn't make much sense to me that he would hold onto her body for 3 days and then take it Idaho. I think he disposed of her body right away in Colorado, possible even went to his family's Thanksgiving dinner if there was one, and THEN after thinking about it he went about trying to make it look like she disappeared in a different time and place (3 days later on the way to WA). MOO.

 

[sun16]

Does anyone know this:

Hypothetically, if LE has to track someone down who has knowledge of the circumstances, as opposed to them coming forward on their own, would that person still get a reward if their knowledge proved useful in finding her and / or securing a conviction?

I would hope not.