CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #17 *ARREST*

[cody22]

If someone from Idaho arrived in Colorado to spend Thanksgiving weekend with their family , and returned back home to Idaho on Sunday--would the timing align with when the ping/texts arrived? In other words, what time was the ping heard, and how long is the drive from PF's home to the region which the texts originated?

Approx. 12+ hour drive.

 

[susiQ]

The more I thought about the solicitation charge, the more I wonder if it is the support for the murder charge.

Even if the relationship between KB-PF had devolved into merely child exchange, it is highly probable that PF's stray fingerprints, hairs, etc. exist within KB's townhome, so that kind of general material is evidence of nothing. LE claims they have found evidence of a violent crime in the townhome suggesting she is deceased. But that does not mean there is evidence that PF is the one who physically murdered her and there would be none if another person committed the actual murder.

So the solicitation act is charged and is needed to support the murder charge. If KB were continuing as a missing person and they had not found evidence in her townhome of biological material incompatible with life (killed elsewhere), they could charge the solicitation on its own merits at any time, but the murder charge would not be supportable.

I guess that really depends on what they found in the trash and cell records.

 

[Elley Mae]

If someone from Idaho arrived in Colorado to spend Thanksgiving weekend with their family , and returned back home to Idaho on Sunday--would the timing align with when the ping/texts arrived? In other words, what time was the ping heard, and how long is the drive from PF's home to the region which the texts originated?

Text to her work was 5:13pm. Have not seen when the phone pinged.

 

[mickey2942]

I wish we had access to the text messages sent by KB. And comparison to the messages sent after Thanksgiving. There could be quite a noticeable difference in spelling or syntax.

My son's texts are short, and filled with "BRB" "C U". Whereas my daughter's are often spoken, so the spelling is "off". The text messages could have actually been a clue, rather than giving PF more time.

 

[jillianelaine]

It certainly looks like it boils down to custody but there could be extenuating circumstances that lead to this. I know, some of you may go, "here she goes again," but if things were not really going anywhere, they were just maintaining the status quo for the time being, or at least KB was, WHAT IF macho man PF was trolling the dating sites. He finds a woman, well planted financially with a ranch and a child or two. Maybe her husband died too (but let's hope she didn't wack him or have him wacked). The only thing in PF's way to persuing this new love interest, is KB. He loves his child, but not enough not to murder her mother. I don't think leaving the cars was necessarily a problem to him if he wanted to write into the "we broke up" narrative to eventually include, she was seeing someone else and they must have gone to Idaho in that vehicle. You see, these kinds of people have no problem whatsoever in projecting their bad behaviour on others. Making it look like something KB did when in fact it's his MO. JMT

Hi SusiQ! People kill partners for the very reason you've mentioned. I wonder how often it occurs in situations in which the partners do not live together. I'm new to these boards and have little to no knowledge on other cases. Thanks!

 

[heartgoesout]

Marking spot.

 

[jillianelaine]

Text to her work was 5:13pm. Have not seen when the phone pinged.

And how long on average, the drive from PF's home to that area?

 

[LAHOLLA]

I don’t know why but in my mind, I think the Christmas tree story is legit. I think KB did believe that he may be getting it and that she told her mom that. If that’s true, it matters bc it would show that they were still together as far as she was concerned. If they weren’t, he and K would get a tree for his home and she and K could get one for hers. JMO

 

[jewelsmac]

This is the first time I've watched the video of KB's mom giving an interview.

First, she did well. Being on camera is not a natural thing for most people. The reporter did ask her some tough questions (would KB leave on her own?, how was the relationship with the fiancé?).

I do believe she was coached a little, keep it vague, brief answers. This would have been good advice.

Even the family would NOT know what LE was uncovering behind the scenes. If they were closing in on PF or what direction they were going. They would share some information but nothing that would harm the investigation. That's how investigations work and should. You keep it close.

I also don't think the mom really knew what kind of state the relationship was truly in between her daughter and PF. I still maintain most adult children do not share everything with their parents. That does not mean their relationship is tarnished in any way, these are just adults, living their lives.

There's a part of me that believes KB told her mom what she wanted to hear. Not to alarm her. It's easier to do that, especially if you live in different states. Maybe she really didn't have any Thanksgiving plans, maybe there really wasn't a plan, at that moment, for a Christmas tree.

What does stand out to me, and it could be taken several ways. When the mom thought it was unusual that her daughters hair was not done when she went to Safeway. I really do think that caught her mom off guard.

Now, was this because she really wouldn't know that her daughter would go to a store with her hair simply pulled back (to me this is completely normal)?

OR-

This really was unusual for her daughter not to be completely ready for the day. Was she under stress when she went to Safeway? I don't know.

The second, the comment on not buying a house together because of the economy. My first thought, this was KB giving her mom a reason why they can't live together at the moment, but the actual reason was because the relationship was in shambles or already over.

there so much about this post to like I don’t even know where to start. But I agree with the fact that even very close moms and daughters do not tell each other everything. Perhaps she was embarrassed because there may have been warnings from family members, friends that an Internet relationship, that seem to move fairly quickly, might not work out in the end. Maybe she didn’t want to own up to that.

 

[1mtroyal]

If someone from Idaho arrived in Colorado to spend Thanksgiving weekend with their family , and returned back home to Idaho on Sunday--would the timing align with when the ping/texts arrived? In other words, what time was the ping heard, and how long is the drive from PF's home to the region which the texts originated?

I am wondering about college kids home to Woodland for Thanksgiving and returning back to Idaho colleges on Sunday the 25 th.

 

[Gardener1850]

Colorado sleuthers, how far north would PF have to go to get the idea snow conditions to quickly cover a grave or her body that would be difficult for others to reach and that would stay covered. Where do you think would be the perfect disposal site knowing what you know about Colorado?

I'm not in Colorado, but here is a location I hope is checked-- there are some small bodies of water near a retreat center. I can't say why this area is of interest, but it is a location I think PF would be familiar with and only about 6 miles from KB's home:
Google Maps

There are no Google Street views, however, so I can't figure out if it is secluded enough from Satellite views.

 

[Elley Mae]

And how long on average, the drive from PF's home to that area?

Roughly 11 1/2 hours

 

[susiQ]

Approx. 12+ hour drive.

Or to spend Saturday meeting up with the guy she met online I'm guessing he had the body gone by then?

 

[jewelsmac]

I just can't at all imagine PF coming clean and disclosing the whereabouts of KB. Just don't see it. He just comes across as too macho, need to be in charge, 1 up on everyone type of individual. It sounds like in no uncertain terms they have all the evidence they need. He is going down. And due to the fact it has been decades since the last time CO has executed someone on death row offering him no death penalty doesn't have much merit anymore here in CO.

I think the only way she will be located is if someone discovers her body, the cellphone data can provide some help, or an accomplice of PF's comes clean for a reduced sentence. But I have absolutely zero hope of him opening up and revealing the exact truth as to what actually happened. I just don't see it - it's just his personality. As always MOO

I agree. It would be would be different if this were in Texas and they were willing to take death penalty off the table in exchange for her location. But in a state where apparently DP is rarely the sentenced , and even more rarely executed ...Not so much

 

[1mtroyal]

I don’t know why but in my mind, I think the Christmas tree story is legit. I think KB did believe that he may be getting it and that she told her mom that. If that’s true, it matters bc it would show that they were still together as far as she was concerned. If they weren’t, he and K would get a tree for his home and she and K could get one for hers. JMO

And PF has lots of land with Christmas trees on it, I can't understand why he would get a permit and go on federal land to get a tree.

 

[Mom24]

It certainly looks like it boils down to custody but there could be extenuating circumstances that lead to this. I know, some of you may go, "here she goes again," but if things were not really going anywhere, they were just maintaining the status quo for the time being, or at least KB was, WHAT IF macho man PF was trolling the dating sites. He finds a woman, well planted financially with a ranch and a child or two. Maybe her husband died too (but let's hope she didn't wack him or have him wacked). The only thing in PF's way to persuing this new love interest, is KB. He loves his child, but not enough not to murder her mother. I don't think leaving the cars was necessarily a problem to him if he wanted to write into the "we broke up" narrative to eventually include, she was seeing someone else and they must have gone to Idaho in that vehicle. You see, these kinds of people have no problem whatsoever in projecting their bad behaviour on others. Making it look like something KB did when in fact it's his MO. JMT

I'm in the camp where I don't believe any of this was due to a custody issue. People in a relationship who are progressing to marriage don't have custody issues. But then I also don't buy the "break up" story either, since PF is the only one who said they had ended the relationship, and by the way PF backtracked that statement through his attorney when it made him a viable POI. PF used the break up story because he knew it would justify his cold behavior, having his daughter for an extended period, and the last minute trip he claimed Kelsey took. As soon as it also gave credence to a murder, he changed and had his attorney state that the relationship was fine.
Kelsey was 29 years old, living on her own, with a child out of wedlock, there was no reason to paint a pretty picture for her mother in regards to the relationship she had with PF. If they had broken up she would have told her mother. So I don't think this had anything to do with custody issues.
I had thought there might be another woman, but if that were the case I would have expected that woman to come forward and given that Patrick wasn't married to Kelsey, it would be easy enough to dump her and move on. So that can't be it.
That he planned this for months says it wasn't an act of rage, it was something he mulled over which means it's deeper than he was triggered by something one day. He may have anger issues, but this was planned, done in cool moments where he'd wasn't in a heated state.
I keep coming back to it being about the lies he's told. I believe he lied to Kelsey about who and what he was. I believe he lied to his family about Kelsey and who she was. I think all those lies were catching up and it was getting to hard to juggle all the balls. I also believe he didn't want to marry Kelsey, I think they had planned a wedding and he gave her the financial excuse as a way to get out of it. He may have run out of excuses to not get married and didn't want to admit he had never planned to marry her. Sadly it may be as simple as that, he didn't want to get married and had run out of excuses. JMO

 

[allboys]

If they do not find her body, what are the chances of the DA dropping the charges to a Guilty Plea of second degree murder (maximum 24 years sentence in Colorado, with your first chance of parole in 5 years) in exchange for info leading to her body's recovery ?

Shudder the thought.

 

[SoVeryMe]

I don’t know why but in my mind, I think the Christmas tree story is legit. I think KB did believe that he may be getting it and that she told her mom that. If that’s true, it matters bc it would show that they were still together as far as she was concerned. If they weren’t, he and K would get a tree for his home and she and K could get one for hers. JMO

I agree.....and KB May have mentioned getting a tree and PF stated he would take the baby to get one to satisfy her question without making plans on doing it.

I’ve gotten fresh trees in the past but didn’t usually get them until closer to Christmas because of their “freshness”. How long does a fresh cut tree last? Would getting one at Thanksgiving be too soon?

 

[Mom24]

And PF has lots of land with Christmas trees on it, I can't understand why he would get a permit and go on federal land to get a tree.

It's a thing. You can buy bread at the store, but it's romantic to bake it. It's a tradition to pay the $20 and go up and hike around searching for the perfect tree and cutting it down and dragging it home. It makes for great instagram stories.

 

[Mom24]

I agree.....and KB May have mentioned getting a tree and PF stated he would take the baby to get one to satisfy her question without making plans on doing it.

I’ve gotten fresh trees in the past but didn’t usually get them until closer to Christmas because of their “freshness”. How long does a fresh cut tree last? Would getting one at Thanksgiving be too soon?

A lot of people get trees the day after Thanksgiving. If you wait too long, all the good ones are gone. You put it in a tree stand that is shaped like a bucket and put water and preservative in it. Water it every other day and it lasts until after the first of the year.