CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #17 *ARREST*

[jewelsmac]

OT, Since this is where all the cool kids seem to be hanging out… Anyone with knowledge on searching property records, if you could message me I would appreciate it. Looking into something closer to home.

 

[Elley Mae]

Police said the only signs of Berreth after Thanksgiving were some text messages and that location data suggested the phone by Nov. 25 was near Gooding, Idaho, 800 miles (1,290 kilometers) from her house.


Police: Colorado woman likely killed at home; fiance charged

 

[Mom24]

I can't imagine that he would give up her location, especially at this point. He'll be strategic and if he ever does it will be to benefit him. He doesn't care one bit about Kelsey - he's already proven that. No remorse and no regret - he's a cold so and so, imo.

He's arrogant, that's true. But I would hope his family or his mother will convince him to do the right thing. Even if his family hated Kelsey, they certainly wouldn't want the baby to have wonder for the rest of her life where her mother is.

 

[Mom24]

OT, Since this is where all the cool kids seem to be hanging out… Anyone with knowledge on searching property records, if you could message me I would appreciate it. Looking into something closer to home.

Registry of deeds. Most of them are online now, if you go to the county website.

 

[jillianelaine]

I am wondering about college kids home to Woodland for Thanksgiving and returning back to Idaho colleges on Sunday the 25 th.

I'm completely stuck on the idea that the dates tell a story. KB's death occurred on the first day of the long holiday weekend; the texts, appeared on the last. Somebody PF trusted enough to solicit for a murder arrived on Thursday, and returned back home (or college) on Sunday--with an extra phone and an assignment! Yes, the college students are a possibility.

 

[1mtroyal]

As to the ground being frozen around Florissant, one can go under a pile of leaves or hay and find unfrozen dirt, but it was mild for this time of year, in my part of the NW US.

 

[SoVeryMe]

A lot of people get trees the day after Thanksgiving. If you wait too long, all the good ones are gone. You put it in a tree stand that is shaped like a bucket and put water and preservative in it. Water it every other day and it lasts until after the first of the year.

I did read online about 4-5 weeks. We are in a very cold climate and despite proper care we were lucky to get 4 weeks out of ours from the constant heating of our home. Most tree farms here don’t get busy until the first weekend in December so I wasn’t sure what it was like elsewhere!

Thanks!

 

[jewelsmac]

Registry of deeds. Most of them are online now, if you go to the county website.

Residential property that became a business property rezoning. Etc. I have questions about an old case in my town. And what was and was not searched

 

[K9Enzo]

Yes, of course. The question is more of-- was he planning to buy her something (or help decorate for Christmas as is the case with getting a tree)? Not likely we would get an honest answer out of him now but I think if he was not allowed to lie about it he would have said "no"-- not because they were no longer together, but because he had planned to murder her. No need to plan last minute Christmas shopping for someone you know is dead. MOO.

On the flip side, I would think if you are planning the murder of your fiancé, the mother of your child, you would carry on as normal. You would buy a gift, if that's normal in your relationship (I honestly don't think gift giving means anything one way or another, but that's just me personally).

The solicitation charge really throws me off.

How was PF going to "stage" her disappearance? How was he going to clear himself as a suspect? I'm going to assume the ping in Idaho was intentional, to make it appear she went there on her own accord. The text to her employer, posing as her. Did he want it to appear like she left with someone, not taking her car or personal belongings? Were we supposed to think she made a rash decision and took off, then foul play randomly occurred during her travels, or that she committed suicide, left to live on the beach somewhere in another country? What?

PF, to me, did not create good story here to save himself. Was he making it up as he went? Did he solicit a Gomer Pyle type of character to help him? Is it possible he didn't think that far in advance and kind of left it at her life being ended?

I'm just thinking out loud here. At the end of the day, it's hard to get into the head of an irrational, immorally bankrupt individual.

 

[MassGuy]

On the flip side, I would think if you are planning the murder of your fiancé, the mother of your child, you would carry on as normal. You would buy a gift, if that's normal in your relationship (I honestly don't think gift giving means anything one way or another, but that's just me personally).

The solicitation charge really throws me off.

How was PF going to "stage" her disappearance? How was he going to clear himself as a suspect? I'm going to assume the ping in Idaho was intentional, to make it appear she went there on her own accord. The text to her employer, posing as her. Did he want it to appear like she left with someone, not taking her car or personal belongings? Were we supposed to think she made a rash decision and took off, then foul play randomly occurred during her travels, or that she committed suicide, left to live on the beach somewhere in another country? What?

PF, to me, did not create good story here to save himself. Was he making it up as he went? Did he solicit a Gomer Pyle type of character to help him? Is it possible he didn't think that far in advance and kind of left at her life being ended?

I'm just thinking out loud here. At the end of the day, it's hard to get into the head of an irrational, immorally bankrupt individual.

Whatever he did, whatever he planned to make this look like, made sense to him.

The key to understanding his plan, may lie in that text message sent from Kelsey’s phone, to his.

I’d love to know what it said, as it would almost certainly provide some clarity here.

 

[susiQ]

I'm in the camp where I don't believe any of this was due to a custody issue. People in a relationship who are progressing to marriage don't have custody issues. But then I also don't buy the "break up" story either, since PF is the only one who said they had ended the relationship, and by the way PF backtracked that statement through his attorney when it made him a viable POI. PF used the break up story because he knew it would justify his cold behavior, having his daughter for an extended period, and the last minute trip he claimed Kelsey took. As soon as it also gave credence to a murder, he changed and had his attorney state that the relationship was fine.
Kelsey was 29 years old, living on her own, with a child out of wedlock, there was no reason to paint a pretty picture for her mother in regards to the relationship she had with PF. If they had broken up she would have told her mother. So I don't think this had anything to do with custody issues.
I had thought there might be another woman, but if that were the case I would have expected that woman to come forward and given that Patrick wasn't married to Kelsey, it would be easy enough to dump her and move on. So that can't be it.
That he planned this for months says it wasn't an act of rage, it was something he mulled over which means it's deeper than he was triggered by something one day. He may have anger issues, but this was planned, done in cool moments where he'd wasn't in a heated state.
I keep coming back to it being about the lies he's told. I believe he lied to Kelsey about who and what he was. I believe he lied to his family about Kelsey and who she was. I think all those lies were catching up and it was getting to hard to juggle all the balls. I also believe he didn't want to marry Kelsey, I think they had planned a wedding and he gave her the financial excuse as a way to get out of it. He may have run out of excuses to not get married and didn't want to admit he had never planned to marry her. Sadly it may be as simple as that, he didn't want to get married and had run out of excuses. JMO

Alright then. He told LOTS of lies and he finally ran out of excuses. So he MURDERS her. Why, if not to attain custody without anyone fighting him in the court. Poetic justice for him, he doesn't have baby K and likely never will.

 

[cody22]

delete

 

[cody22]

Idle musing - If you are gonna commit a crime, do not take a phone with you, and immediately destroy into little pieces, any phones of your victim, and get rid of them for forever......Involve no other people and keep your mouth shut for forever.....MOO

 

[Mom24]

On the flip side, I would think if you are planning the murder of your fiancé, the mother of your child, you would carry on as normal. You would buy a gift, if that's normal in your relationship (I honestly don't think gift giving means anything one way or another, but that's just me personally).

The solicitation charge really throws me off.

How was PF going to "stage" her disappearance? How was he going to clear himself as a suspect? I'm going to assume the ping in Idaho was intentional, to make it appear she went there on her own accord. The text to her employer, posing as her. Did he want it to appear like she left with someone, not taking her car or personal belongings? Were we supposed to think she made a rash decision and took off, then foul play randomly occurred during her travels, or that she committed suicide, left to live on the beach somewhere in another country? What?

PF, to me, did not create good story here to save himself. Was he making it up as he went? Did he solicit a Gomer Pyle type of character to help him? Is it possible he didn't think that far in advance and kind of left it at her life being ended?

I'm just thinking out loud here. At the end of the day, it's hard to get into the head of an irrational, immorally bankrupt individual.

Actually he kept it simple, he just told people that he wasn't in a real relationship with her any longer, he used language like "custody exchange" to distance himself and then just let other make the story for him. Even on here we had a great many people wondering if she was in a rehab center, or had run off with another man or had taken a plane somewhere to start a new life. So if posters on WS were filling in the blanks that way, just imagine how the average person on the street (PF's friends, family and community) would fill in the blanks.

 

[The Night Watchman]

I can't get it though my thick head how PF could take KB's phone and ping it in Idaho (or have someone do it)... and not take her suitcase, some clothes, and personal belongings. PF may not be very bright, but he doesn't take me as stupid.

Missing phone, purse, and travel items would be a solid story with minimal effort, not to convince me, but a jury by using a good lawyer- there is no body and there is evidence she left on her own to head north to see family. "I'll take care of the baby until she decides to return."

As detective Sipowicz once said on NYPD Blue, "I went in wid a plan, I came out, I got nuttin'."

The 1st degree murder and solicitation charge indicate evidence of planning a murder.

I don't think it went as planned, either time wise or pulling it off. And this is good, as far as leaving bread crumbs.

 

[Writestuff]

Whatever he did, whatever he planned to make this look like, made sense to him.

The key to understanding his plan, may lie in that text message sent from Kelsey’s phone, to his.

I’d love to know what it said, as it would almost certainly provide some clarity here.

I also would like to add to that line of thinking - PF's accomplice is someone he knew and thought he could trust. I really don't think it's anyone he found online or through the dark web. If this is true, that would make the list of suspected accomplices very small, IMO. Close friends, family, and/or ranch workers of PF seem to be a very tight circle. Who would make that list?
Edited to add more

 

[jillianelaine]

Back to the Cinnamon Rolls. A better rehearsed person would have put away the baked goods and packed an overnight bag to give the illusion she left on her own free will. For that reason, I believe he orchestrated the "text strategy" after she was killed. I wouldn't be surprised if as late as Thursday morning, he still believed the person he solicited was going to move forward with the crime---and he didn't give a hoot about an alibi!

 

[jillianelaine]

I can't get it though my thick head how PF could take KB's phone and ping it in Idaho (or have someone do it)... and not take her suitcase, some clothes, and personal belongings. PF may not be very bright, but he doesn't take me as stupid.

Missing phone, purse, and travel items would be a solid story with minimal effort, not to convince me, but a jury by using a good lawyer- there is no body and there is evidence she left on her own to head north to see family. "I'll take care of the baby until she decides to return."

As detective Sipowicz once said on NYPD Blue, "I went in wid a plan, I came out, I got nuttin'."

The 1st degree murder and solicitation charge indicate evidence of planning a murder.

I don't think it went as planned, either time wise or pulling it off. And this is good, as far as leaving bread crumbs.

I think we were thinking along the same lines at the same time. Love your post!

 

[Mom24]

Alright then. He told LOTS of lies and he finally ran out of excuses. So he MURDERS her. Why, if not to attain custody without anyone fighting him in the court. Poetic justice for him, he doesn't have baby K and likely never will.

I don't think the baby was the driving force. I think he didn't want to get married, didn't want to leave his mother's home, didn't want to grow up and getting rid of Kelsey made it all go away. He could keep his life the way it was if she was gone. JMO

 

[MassGuy]

I also would like to add to that line of thinking - PF's accomplice is someone he knew and thought he could trust. I really don't think it's anyone he found online or through the dark web. If this is true that would make the list of suspected accomplices very small IMO. Close friends and family of PF seem to be a very tight circle. Who would make that list?

He certainly felt like he could trust this person, but it seems to me that he has already been proven wrong.

My thinking is that this was a friend or acquaintance, from his line of work.

Perhaps this person has a criminal record, and wasn’t phased by helping his friend out, possibly for financial gain.