CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #17 *ARREST*

[Auntie Cipation]

But isn't solicitation quite clear? That is asking someone to murder someone. It is not helping someone to help them get rid of a body.

LE aren't confused about the charges. Sometimes charges get reduced or dropped as a strategy. Right now they would have to charge him with everything they have the evidence for, in order to have options to drop/reduce some later.

In the local case near me, the dude was charged with murder but also with burglary (he used her car to move her body) and also with arson (he tried to burn his own house down with her body inside). I'm quite confident he won't be prosecuted on those last two unless "needed" -- ie something goes wrong with the murder charge.

By the way, this gives me an idea -- do we think PF might have transported KB using her own vehicle? I wonder if LE has put cadaver dogs on them...

They may have been doing the same, or if she was making payments to them, they may have been treating it as a "rent to own." I'm not sure anyone knows about that. I think the deed just shows the parents LLC as the owners. But I do think they may have done it that way to protect her from having PF getting an interest in the property. MOO.

What I recall from earlier threads was that KB's parents' LLC was the lender for KB's purchase. If that's the case, they aren't the owners, KB would be the listed owner. The LLC would be the lienholder only. This is MOO

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I would like to see the source. Colorado Springs makes sense, if her first job was in Peyton which is a bit east of CS. Grand Junction doesn't make much sense but I guess it's closer than WA state was, if she was just trying to be in the vicinity.

 

[Harmony 2]

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Please try to stay on topic and avoid personal tidbits or miscellaneous topics like potty training, diapers, music, etc.

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[PommyMommy]

We don't know where that informtion came from, it may have come from Kelseys cousin for all we know, who relayed it to the Aunt. I wish we did know for sure, but he may have told her mother that when he spoke to her. It's never been verified so at this point it's just speculation that it came from him. It makes sense that he would say it to appear disinterested, but since she was missing and no-one had heard from him, it also indicates there may have been an argument which escalated into something else, and since he was the last person to see her it seems like a pretty stupid thing to say to her mom. Jmo

I don't think it came from Kelsey's cousin. IIRC, she said she never heard that there was anything wrong in the relationship and that PF's "reputation" with her family was good.

"Death by hanging, whether an execution or a suicide, has been observed to affect the genitals of both men and women. In women, the labia and clitoris may become engorged and there may be a discharge of blood from the vagina.[5] "

The neighbor claimed PF's car was parked (sideways) at KB's home for about 30 minutes--enough time to execute a hanging and remove the body. LE may have been informed of the manner of death, leading them back to the home to collect floorboards from the immediate vicinity of the crime.

PF tried to solicit someone to kill her. I do not think he could "stomach" a more violent (bloody) attack.

The neighbor didn't say she saw the truck there for 30 minutes. She said she saw it there between 12:30 and 1:00 when she (the neighbor) left home. We don't know how long the truck was there.
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I remember this too - I just couldn't remember the "where." I can't seem to find a MSM link for it though.
MOO

 

[Harmony 2]

I have the Twitter convo between the lady from Grand Junction (her daughter lived with Kelsey for a short time in GJ) and Kelsey’s family member.
I can post it here, but not sure if it’s permitted?

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[Marli61]

Maybe we place too much emphasis on how KB perceived the notion that he was "living with his mom". She may have had a circuit of friends who tended to live at home until they married, and for that reason, didn't think twice about it. She may have been focused on how he looked, and shared interests, and the nice things he may have said to her. She may have been intrigued that he was from another state. Or intrigued with the very thought of having met someone on the computer.

BBM... excellent thought! Do we know anything about KB's living arrangements before she came to Colorado? I don't recall reading that anywhere. I wonder if it's possible she still lived with her parents in Idaho?

 

[Auntie Cipation]

Wow, so that must have been her first location in CO, I'm guessing. That adds a bit to our understanding of how things unfolded. Thanks!

 

[PommyMommy]

Custody hearing Thursday concerning Kelsey Berreth's child
The man locked up for allegedly murdering his fiancee is expected in court Thursday for a hearing over the couple's young daughter.

The custody hearing starts at 1 p.m. in Teller County. 11 News is waiting to hear if this hearing is more of a formality whenever a child is taken from their home, or if this was already set in motion by the couple before Berreth's disappearance.

 

[osu]

No, I don't think you can post that unless it's under a news reporters tweets.

Thank you!

 

[BingoBongo]

Her parents buying it would have nothing to do with PF. It’s an out state of “office” or business condo which becomes a tax write off. Some theories about why people due things on this board are just not logical.

I bet they bought it to use as a tax write off when they spent time there visiting their daughter and granddaughter. They "visit" their investment and can write off the air, gas, car rental, etc.

 

[Marli61]

Deleted by me. Couldn't complete my thought.

 

[BRRI]

I bet they bought it to use as a tax write off when they spent time there visiting their daughter and granddaughter. They "visit" their investment and can write off the air, gas, car rental, etc.

Interesting. I didn’t know this. Off to research!

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

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I think killing the mother of your child makes you a bad father. I would think he feels like K is his property. In my experience, men often try to get child custody because it is cheaper than paying support to the mother and because it is a way to have control over the mother. Usually, they have cheap or free built-in childcare (their mother, new wife or gf, etc.). On the scale of bad dads, he's better than CW.

By a very slight margin.

 

[PommyMommy]

I bet they bought it to use as a tax write off when they spent time there visiting their daughter and granddaughter. They "visit" their investment and can write off the air, gas, car rental, etc.

Her home is in her name only.
MOO

 

[Hatfield]

Custody hearing Thursday concerning Kelsey Berreth's child
The man locked up for allegedly murdering his fiancee is expected in court Thursday for a hearing over the couple's young daughter.

The custody hearing starts at 1 p.m. in Teller County. 11 News is waiting to hear if this hearing is more of a formality whenever a child is taken from their home, or if this was already set in motion by the couple before Berreth's disappearance.

JMO
I am worried about this hearing and where the courts will end up saying the child should go (at least for now).

I am also upset that he would even have a say in the matter but I am guessing its the whole "innocent until proven guilty" thing where even though he is charged with murder I guess the courts are going to allow him and his attorneys to have opinions on the matter.

IMO
I would hope for the safety of the child's sake that the courts would consider keeping the child away from his side of the family altogether and the reason I feel that way is because of many other cases where sometimes the child is harmed too if a person doesnt get their way in things (eg Josh Powell case). Afterall we still dont know who may have been asked to help PF in the solicitation charge.

 

[BRRI]

Her home is in her name only. ?
MOO

Yes

 

[PommyMommy]

JMO
I am worried about this hearing and where the courts will end up saying the child should go (at least for now).

I am also upset that he would even have a say in the matter but I am guessing its the whole "innocent until proven guilty" thing where even though he is charged with murder I guess the courts are going to allow him and his attorneys to have opinions on the matter.

IMO
I would hope for the safety of the child's sake that the courts would consider keeping the child away from his side of the family altogether and the reason I feel that way is because of many other cases where sometimes the child is harmed too if a person doesnt get their way in things (eg Josh Powell case). Afterall we still dont know who may have been involved to help PF in the solicitation charge.

I'm with you. Just the thought that the person who was part of the solicitation may be someone who visits, or even frequents, the Florissant property makes me very uneasy about the baby being placed there. I'm holding onto the hope that the judge feels the same way.
MOO

 

[BingoBongo]

Interesting. I didn’t know this. Off to research!

I think it depends on how they have things set up, if they rented the condo back to her, tax deductions for travel would be allowed. But, I've also read that the property was in her name...

Deducting Landlord Out-of-Town Travel Expenses

 

[Irmese]

I still am mulling the solicitation charge. Why in the heck he would want someone to kill KB is beyond me but since he was charged with it I'm going on the thought it involved child custody and he didn't want to dirty his hands.
But I honestly think that while at the condo, opportunity presented itself, he went into a rage and killed her himself. And because LE was all over the condo the night before the arrest, I think they were acting on the info that they were getting from the person he solicited.
Blood spatter is a funny thing. No matter how much you try to clean it, people forget that it travels. The loft seems like the place that would have provided the most "bang for your buck" on spatter evidence. There is no WAY he was in there painting and dry walling. The ladder LE had was because there were unnoticed spatter perhaps on the ceiling. The loft edge might have contained matter.
As for dumping her body, I think he had KB in the truck and since he had the baby as well, perhaps he met with his solicited person and had that person do the body dump?
This is the only scenario that makes any sense to me at this stage of the game and with so little info.
Moo IMHO

Agree. The solicitation/premeditation really throws me, because if it was planned, well, it's not easy to follow his plan with what we know. I think maybe he was trying to play 12 dimensional chess - tell her mom she broke up with him and ran off to Idaho, tell his lawyer/LE a different story, but one that makes it look like she ran away to commit suicide. But only phone and purse are gone, car and truck still in the drive. There are still too many pieces missing. I feel like he was trying to lead LE to her committing suicide because that is an explanation of why she left K and didn't call to check on her or anything.

I think he tried to get someone to do it and maybe it was planned for TG because it is when a lot of travelling happens and a few days of her on holiday from work would give him time. But the solicitee didn't come through. Now he's angry and frustrated, so does it when a chance presents itself. If it was supposed to be a home invasion after he picked up K or if she was supposed to commit suicide there, he was planning on her body being found.

Whatever he planned, I think when he allegedly killed her on TG, he had to improvise.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

We certainly don’t know enough to say that he killed for a specific reason.

Pregnancy is possible, but I would expect Kelsey’s mother to know, if that was the case.

Something related to custody, possibly preceded by a breakup, is the best motive I can come up with.

Everything else is down the list.

Imo
I think it's about control. He resented her not being a stay at home mom, he resented her high flying career, He resented being her own woman. He couldn't control her like he could control his . He resented her independence. He would show her like he showed his horse in the trailer, or the horse he rasped in the stomach.

 

[PommyMommy]

Yes

Sorry, I apparently need more coffee. Yes, the townhome is in Kelsey's name only. The question mark in my post was to question the statement that KB's parents would use Kelsey's property as a tax write-off. I don't see any reason for that. (I edited my post to remove the question mark so it doesn't throw anyone else off.)
MOO