CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #18 *ARREST*

[SoVeryMe]

If only this were true! Well, part of it is - the baby won't have an actual memory of the loss of her mother and separation from her father and grandmother. But children don't have to actually "remember" separation from their primary caregivers to be affected by it when they are older. In this case the separation can't be helped, so we can only hope that she is one of those who adjusts well without later attachment issues.

I agree with this completely. In the last month alone she hasn’t seen her momma, now has lost her father and is in custody of (capable and loving) grandparents. I’m sure little K is so confused out of sorts.

 

[Elle*Bee]

What, tho, are the Bs taking the baby away from?
It’s really no dif’ than the arrangement she shared with her mom, only reversed. Now, she’ll be away from the paternal side of the family.
How bold of Ps mom to ask, want or expect custody of Ks baby. Tsk tsk tsk
I don’t blame Mrs. F, but I think it disrespectful to think she should raise (basically) an orphaned child that her son put in such a position.
Imagine how awful visitation exchanges will be for Ks mom.

It hasn’t been confirmed that Mrs. P is requesting custody. I’m not familiar with Colorado law but in my state, it’s a formality that any party with an interest in a custodial issue (be it requesting physical custody or visitation) file with the court. Not required but often advised.

 

[1mtroyal]

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They would have needed a warrant to search, though, right?

I don't think they would have needed a search warrant if the owner gives permission. If the owner does not give permission, they would have to take time, go get the warrant and risk having evidence destroyed. Going straight to the judge (bypass the owner), gives the element of surprise. If a police helicopter flies over a property and sees a dead body, I doubt if a search warrant is needed for them to investigate and go on the property.

 

[Hopefullyhelpful]

The Frazee clan "circled the wagons" real fast and they are still circled.....MOO

This

 

[Love Never Fails]

Yes, both Kelsey's parents were there. Photo here: Mother of Kelsey Berreth comes face-to-face with daughter's 'killer fiance' Patrick Frazee | Daily Mail Online

Thanks so much.

 

[NanZDrew]

Understood. My post was in response to how bad the reporting in this case has been. Almost like it's a competition to see who can screw up the news the most... Sorry if that wasn't clear.
MOO Quoted Pommy Mommy....


Sorry @PommyMommy I just jumped in to give the DCFS information. I didn't really read what was before it. I just wanted to add info regarding custody when it refers to DCFS.

On a side note, not just to Pommy Mommy. My own mother was murdered last week, so I'm a bit foggy, but I wanted to share what I know about how DCFS operates especially when one set of parents is unsuitable.

I am so sorry for your loss.

 

[Hopefullyhelpful]

I am not sure if anyone read this or not- I certainly missed it! Go to this page and scroll down to where it has a video with the headline "Community holds vigil for missing Colorado woman Kelsey Berreth", and underneath the video, I found this in the article:



Cops process evidence found in Kelsey Berreth's murder investigation now in Idaho | Daily Mail Online

Sheila Frazee, the mother of the suspect, has also been detained by authorities but not placed under arrest.

The divorced mother of four, who is a registered nurse, lives with her youngest son at the ranch, which she outright owns according to public records.

She also owns two additional properties in the area.

Her son meanwhile attends to the ranch and also breeds dogs.
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Did I miss that part? I don't recall anyone discussing this in previous threads, but I know I missed a few things from working the last few weekends.

I don't recall them mentioning searching the other properties- could they be possibly searching for Kelsey on those properties now, seeing that the police department said there would be searches done in the Woodland Park area?

I mentioned it a few days ago and asked that very same question but was warned that I wasn’t allowed to do that because it was sleuthing the family.

 

[NanZDrew]

The thing about PF's mom that I just don't understand is why she didn't stand with Kelsey's family in their time of need. That part just breaks my heart on top of everything else. I would have been breaking my neck to be there, hold their hands, open my home, share the grandchild...but crickets.

I don't know, maybe she did and we just didn't hear about it.

I think a family with nothing to hide would behave exactly as you described.

 

[TexLil]

This was a good MSM I saw on tv a little bit ago:

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Two takeaways from this report:

1) PF attorney was not in courtroom today...was on phone.

2) Cameras will be allowed on Monday in the courtroom for the criminal proceeding.

I was not aware of either of these. The first one surprises me but maybe that is more common than I think. For the second I'm glad and would think this means that the eventual trial might allow cameras also.

All MOO

 

[NanZDrew]

No, we don't know what she wants but I tend to think it's custody because of the wording used in the court minute: "The parties agreed to reserve for later hearing paternal grandmother’s motion to intervene and placement request."

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/Teller/caseofinterest/2018CR330/001/18JV26 Dec 27 hearing - minute order summary.pdf

I took placement request to mean so wants the child placed with her.

 

[NanZDrew]

Two takeaways from this report:

1) PF attorney was not in courtroom today...was on phone.

2) Cameras will be allowed on Monday in the courtroom for the criminal proceeding.

I was not aware of either of these. The first one surprises me but maybe that is more common than I think. For the second I'm glad and would think this means that the eventual trial might allow cameras also.

All MOO

One thing we know PF wouldn't be pretty to wake up to. He really has a bad case of bed head.

 

[mustloveco]

He needs to shave the back of his neck! I thought he had bruises.

 

[MassGuy]

One thing we know PF wouldn't be pretty to wake up to. He really has a bad case of bed head.

Apparently “bed face,” is a thing too.

 

[cattlekate]

Colorado cares about best interest of the child. The baby is about 1.5 years old. Grandma Frazee may have provided the majority of care. She has every right to seek a slow transition to the Berreth family, so the baby isn’t confused.

As painful as it is for us adults to think of the mother of the possible murderer to continue care, it is that baby’s right not to be yanked away from what is familiar.

What a mess.

 

[NanZDrew]

He needs to shave the back of his neck! I thought he had bruises.

Probably has hair growing all over his back, too. If any desperate women want to send him care packages, I suggest they include Nair or wax strips!

 

[bestill]

His hair is the least of his worries, imo.

 

[heartgoesout]

The thing about PF's mom that I just don't understand is why she didn't stand with Kelsey's family in their time of need. That part just breaks my heart on top of everything else. I would have been breaking my neck to be there, hold their hands, open my home, share the grandchild...but crickets.

I don't know, maybe she did and we just didn't hear about it.

I have been in the court room with the mother of the person that murder my family member. At sentencing the mother cautiously approached us to apologize and to offer whatever words she could. Half of my family would not acknowledge her existence while two of us quickly thanked her for her words and moved on. It was awkward and surreal and a lot of emotion going on.
Sometimes it's best to stay separated until the right moment to feel out how reactions may go. See if a smile is accepted or are dirty looks being shot? I'm guessing their families may have only met briefly.
I don't think today was that day to test the waters.

 

[Writestuff]

I'm brushing up on CO family law because I wanted to know if custody and visitation were handled as two separate issues as the such in most states. Since this was an emergency temporary custody hearing, I'm assuming that PF mom was there for custody - and not visitation.

Can someone who is familiar with CO family law confirm this?

Also, while researching I came upon this:
"Sole physical and legal custody or parental responsibilities is rare, but could be granted in the case of physical, sexual, or severe emotional abuse of the child or if the child witnessed serious domestic violence against one of the parents. Domestic violence must only be proven by a preponderance of the evidence (more likely than not), a lower standard than the criminal case beyond a reasonable doubt."

Not sure if baby K witnessed anything OR if she did, if she is old enough to be affected by it.

And also this...
Colorado law recognizes a grandparent’s right to visitation with his or her grandchild.

Source: Colorado Child Custody Laws - FindLaw

 

[Ccging]

Understood. My post was in response to how bad the reporting in this case has been. Almost like it's a competition to see who can screw up the news the most... Sorry if that wasn't clear.
MOO Quoted Pommy Mommy....


Sorry @PommyMommy I just jumped in to give the DCFS information. I didn't really read what was before it. I just wanted to add info regarding custody when it refers to DCFS.

On a side note, not just to Pommy Mommy. My own mother was murdered last week, so I'm a bit foggy, but I wanted to share what I know about how DCFS operates especially when one set of parents is unsuitable.

I am so truly sorry to hear about your mother. (((Hugs)))

 

[MsBetsy]

Two takeaways from this report:

1) PF attorney was not in courtroom today...was on phone.

2) Cameras will be allowed on Monday in the courtroom for the criminal proceeding.

I was not aware of either of these. The first one surprises me but maybe that is more common than I think. For the second I'm glad and would think this means that the eventual trial might allow cameras also.

All MOO

As far as his lawyer not being there, I don't think it's uncommon. It was just a custody hearing, not a trial, and not related to the charges he is facing. Although it's because of the charges that the hearing is taking place in the first place, I don't think he needed his lawyer to be present. He was carrying a folder with him when he went in the courtroom and it may have been a statement prepared by his lawyer. Jmo