CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #18 *ARREST*

[jillianelaine]

The baby is just over a year old, and most likely won’t have any memory of any of this.

IMO, the first year of a child's life is when they establish "trust". I cry, someone holds me, or feeds me... I agree the baby won't recall this period of her life yet I believe the long term "trust issues" may exist. The 1st year of my life a "nursemaid" lived in my home and performed all the functions a normal mom does--after one year, her job ended, she left. To date, I have terrible fears of abandonment even though I can't pin it on any event which I can recall. I've come to realized Emma's departure may have played a big role. Emma Where Are You??

 

[jillianelaine]

I wonder if the "placement request" is indicative of a plea to place the child with a third party, specifically Kelsey's brother?

 

[enelram]

IMO, the first year of a child's life is when they establish "trust". I cry, someone holds me, or feeds me... I agree the baby won't recall this period of her life yet I believe the long term "trust issues" may exist. The 1st year of my life a "nursemaid" lived in my home and performed all the functions a normal mom does--after one year, her job ended, she left. To date, I have terrible fears of abandonment even though I can't pin it on any event which I can recall. I've come to realized Emma's departure may have played a big role. Emma Where Are You??

Yes these issues are considered "Attachment Issues". Failure
to bond to others is also connected to abandonment in early years. This may be what you're calling 'trust'.

 

[CuriousCricket]

I wish he'd get scared enough to try and make a deal and tell LE where KB's body is. Everyone already knows he was involved, it's not like he has anything to lose. I guess he figures it's the only part of this that he still maintains some control over at this point.

Just wondering if LE might be leaving him alone, not trying to talk to him.

If they have people who are talking, maybe they can get the info from them and not need to talk to PF anymore.

Would it not be more terrifying for PF if LE were leaving him alone? If he was getting no information at all?

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Do we know if Kelsey's townhouse was released as a crime scene? If the scene has been released, her family could be staying there. It would have all of Baby K's clothes and baby items and be a familiar environment for the baby at least.

Thinking of the Teresa Sievers case where her parents had to move down from Connecticut and stay in Florida for quite a period of time to get custody. It was months and months later that they finally got the court to give them permanent custody and they were allowed to move back to Connecticut. I wonder if requirement of the custody is that the child stay in the same state or area?

I can't imagine staying in that house, but the expense of renting another place to stay while they are there would be significant.

 

[oviedo]

Today show covering the hearing

Kelsey Berreth case: Parents of missing Colorado mom get custody of child

 

[riolove77]

I wonder if the "placement request" is indicative of a plea to place the child with a third party, specifically Kelsey's brother?

No. She wouldn’t be able to intervene on behalf of someone else.

 

[oviedo]

No. She wouldn’t be able to intervene on behalf of someone else.

SF filed a motion to intervene according to the today show
Kelsey Berreth case: Parents of missing Colorado mom get custody of child

Filing does not mean it would be granted - the Judge can deny it

 

[Niner]

Just a reminder.

Docket for: Teller County - Teller County Courthouse
Showing 1 - 2 of 2 records

Date Len Name Hearing Type Case # Location Division
12/31/18
8:30 AM 1H FRAZEE, PATRICK First Appearance D602018CR330 Teller County DIV 11 - TELLER DISTRICT COURT

1/3/19
8:30 AM 1H FRAZEE, PATRICK Pre-Trial Conference D602018JV26 Teller County DIV 11 - TELLER DISTRICT COURT

link: Seventh Judicial District » Docket Search

 

[FrankieT]

I have been in the court room with the mother of the person that murder my family member. At sentencing the mother cautiously approached us to apologize and to offer whatever words she could. Half of my family would not acknowledge her existence while two of us quickly thanked her for her words and moved on. It was awkward and surreal and a lot of emotion going on.
Sometimes it's best to stay separated until the right moment to feel out how reactions may go. See if a smile is accepted or are dirty looks being shot? I'm guessing their families may have only met briefly.
I don't think today was that day to test the waters.

I'm sorry heartgoesout, that you had such a tragedy in your family. I meant from the very beginning when Kelsey was just "missing." At this point it would be much harder to reach out. It seems at the start when everyone was wondering where she was it would have been natural.

 

[Nudgee]

Today show covering the hearing

Kelsey Berreth case: Parents of missing Colorado mom get custody of child

Yes.... and did you hear the reporter say that the father (assuming they meant PF ) took care of the baby during the day when KB was at work? If so, there is no way PF didn’t find it strange he hadn’t heard from KB for days and reported her missing. How does he think he will ever explain that...

 

[mustloveco]

We don’t know if it was released, but it still wouldn’t make any sense for them to stay there.

Who wants to live in the same house where their daughter was likely murdered?

I drove by yesterday, it doesnt appear anyone is staying there.

 

[CrimeAddict]

Are we getting any news today!? Maybe we will get a snippet of SOMETHING Monday. I was watching a true crime YouTube last night, it was definitely interesting that the news guy said they had the phone in twin falls then a week later they said they were searching there. Such a tiny leak, but makes me hopeful. We were so spoiled with CW everything came out fairly quickly, or at least the mistress info and some other tidbits. Nothing here, nothing!

 

[Writestuff]

Are we getting any news today!? We were so spoiled with CW everything came out fairly quickly, or at least the mistress info and some other tidbits. Nothing here, nothing!

There is info out on that subject. You just have to dig for it. I think it will break loose very soon.

 

[susiQ]

I think PF really believed that "The Ping" would throw LE off his scent and clear him from suspicion.
Instead, it will likely be one of the key pieces of evidence that convicts him, IMO.
I appreciate that irony, I really do.

Yes!! Me too! I hope it keeps him up at night

 

[Celt1997]

I have to say that I thought Kelsey's mother's interview w/ a CO TV station was odd.
She smiled inappropriately and made a comment about Kelsey's hair not being fixed in the grocery store
video.

WTH? Her hair?
But people can react oddly under when under incredible stress.

I think this case is going to be unbearably hard on KB's mother.

It sounds like she may be finding out that she didn't know as much about her daughter as she thought. And I hope that doesn't sound like I think KB was a terrible person, because by all indications she was the exact opposite. I mean it in a "some things I just keep to myself, and let my Mom believe something else" type of way.

 

[susiQ]

I wish he'd get scared enough to try and make a deal and tell LE where KB's body is. Everyone already knows he was involved, it's not like he has anything to lose. I guess he figures it's the only part of this that he still maintains some control over at this point.

OR, he's delusional and still thinks he has a chance of getting off by not saying anything. He knows and we know if he opens his mouth it is game over IMMEDIATELY. We know it is anyway, but he hasn't clued in yet

 

[Insomnia Momma]

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Starting at 46 in this video, the reaction of the woman walking towards PF made me laugh SO SO hard!

 

[Irmese]

Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t feel he’s that bad looking. Putting aside everything we now know, and that he is likely a killer, I wouldn’t look at his picture and say he’s ugly or anything.

Yes, he doesn't look like a troll. Neither did Ted Bundy.

 

[gitana1]

No, we don't know what she wants but I tend to think it's custody because of the wording used in the court minute: "The parties agreed to reserve for later hearing paternal grandmother’s motion to intervene and placement request."

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/Teller/caseofinterest/2018CR330/001/18JV26 Dec 27 hearing - minute order summary.pdf

Yes. It's "custody". You don't intervene in these cases for visitation really. I haven't seen it work that way. You ask that the child be placed with you.

I put custody in quotes because the state has custody in juvenile dependency cases, while the child is "placed" with someone or another.

Seems the paternal grandmother knows she can't have temporary placement at this time. I don't know if that's due to health, a recommendation by social services or for another reason. But she wants to try at some point.

Can someone update me on the hearing and where the baby is?

I've been busy with family and work.