CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #18 *ARREST*

[susiQ]

I think you're onto something here! We've heard that she walked to the Safeway, which suggests that when he arrived at her house he may have assumed that she was at home.

If she had not been seen at the Safeway, the timeline for her disappearance would be even more fuzzy. The Safeway timing and red truck sighting are both at about 12:30PM. Perhaps she left her door unlocked when she picked up groceries. Maybe he was watching her, saw her leave for groceries and then parked at her house - blocking access to her vehicles.

I doubt she walked to Safeway. She had the baby's car carrier that she rested on the grocery cart. If she had walked she would have brought a stroller, I think.

 

[The Saint]

deleted by me --- moved to otto's map request​

 

[Nudgee]

I just watched, again, the Today Show story (Kelsey Berreth case: Parents of missing Colorado mom get custody of child.

There is a gentleman who was introduced as a "colleague" of PF with the Two Mile High Club/Cripple Creek. Searching the TMH Club, I see they are involved with donkeys and hold tours up to Aspen. Has anyone thought Aspen may be an area of interest to search. Years ago we drove from Denver to Aspen along the Continental Divide and let me tell you, I am not so sure I could do that again. The roadside drop up the CD was directly straight down in many spots. WAY DOWN.... Gorgeous but super scary.

I forget who was doing the sleuthing of the picture of KB and the donkey but I think they nailed it (maybe @margarita25 or @Gardener1850 ??) based on what I have read on the TMH Club... That is super sleuthing at it's finest!!!

Mods, feel free to delete if I am not allowed to mentioned the Two Mile High Club but since it was on national TV and there is a link, I thought it would be OK.

 

[InvSmith]

Who knows what is appropriate, and what is not, given the circumstances? When your daughter has disappeared, and the police has serious suspicions, and you have suspicions, too, and fear for the grandchild, and have to pretend that you have no idea what has happened? On TV?
I think she is the strongest one, and now I understand why neither KB’s brother, nor the father spoke out. I think mom is the only one who could pull it together, say, “they are loving”, while probably knowing the truth.
I would not wish it on anyone.

Frankly, I just do not know how these mothers handle the stress, fear, and madness of these initial moments. I am sure they are wanting to crawl out of your skin or jump on the liar that is your only hope. I give them a lot of grace and prayers.

 

[Mercedes]

If he had asked someone to hide or move the body, would that also be considered solicitation? After the fact?

Accessory after the fact.

 

[Gardener1850]

What is such a mystery to me, is that the family has not disputed that Kelsey's grandmother is/was ill, correct? It had to be true, in my opinion, in order for Patrick to have said she left to go visit her ailing grandmother. Obviously, he took advantage of this and concocted a story that she left by herself and allegedly took a week off from work in order to go on this so called trip.

So, when the text was sent to her work and Patrick's phone on the 25th, it would have been because Kelsey was due back at work that day or the day after. He quite clearly had this done to toss suspicion in another direction, because the phone pinged in Idaho.

Her Mom had a well check performed on Dec 2nd- 10 days after Thanksgiving. I wonder when Patrick told her the story about Kelsey going to visit her ailing grandmother? Or did he tell LE this or his lawyer, and they told Cheryl? To my knowledge, she never disputed the story about her grandmother being ill, right?

When did we hear the the grandmother was ill? I don't recall seeing that before. Perhaps that was in the contents of the text sent to KB's employer? It's one of the few reasonable reasons I can think of that an employee might take a week off with short notice. JMO.

 

[Ccging]

Frankly, I just do not know how these mothers handle the stress, fear, and madness of these initial moments. I am sure they are wanting to crawl out of your skin or jump on the liar that is your only hope. I give them a lot of grace and prayers.

Amen! I’d have to have a doctor give me tranquilizers if I was in their shoes.

 

[Gardener1850]

I can't equate a fully grown man who wants to get rid of the mother of his child and murders her with teenagers who lack full frontal lobe development and think it's fun to burn buildings and don't appreciate the consequences of that (due to the lack of frontal lobe development).

He didn't take pictures of the woman he murdered, IMO.

I don't know. I just don't think this case is as complicated as some might think? It just seems to me like a good ol' boy who wanted to get rid of the mother of his child and who asked for help accomplishing the "task" and getting rid of evidence after it was done.

Someone has talked. But there may also be accomplices not yet charged. Or not.

Exactly.

 

[otto]

Seems we forgot to make a map, or it is very well hidden.

I'm happy to put it together. Please note, this is a back and forth process that takes a few steps of refinement to get right.

Locations that need addresses:

Safeway
Kelsey's home
PK's acreage
Waste Disposal
Phone Ping
Florrisant Fossil Beds

Here's the starting point. If anyone has approximate addresses for these places, please add to this comment.

1713 Wildhorn Road (acreage/ranch)

Safeway to Acreage/Ranch

 

[The Saint]

Seems we forgot to make a map, or it is very well hidden.

I'm happy to put it together. Please note, this is a back and forth process that takes a few steps of refinement to get right.

Locations that need addresses:

Safeway
Kelsey's home
PK's acreage
Waste Disposal
Phone Ping
Florrisant Fossil Beds

Here's the starting point. If anyone has approximate addresses for these places, please add to this comment.

View attachment 161852

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Here's an article that shows the waste facility.Missing Colorado mom's fiancé was spotted at a waste facility AFTER police searched his house | Daily Mail Online

Waste Management - Divide & Woodland Park Hauling
176 Weaverville Rd, Divide, CO 80814

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frazee ranch
1713 Wildhorn Rd Florissant CO 80816
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map of the Florissant Fossil Beds
Maps - Florissant Fossil Beds National Monument (U.S. National Park Service)
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Safeway
1101 E US Hwy 24
Woodland Park, CO 80863
Safeway Locations in Woodland Park, CO | Pharmacy, Grocery, Weekly Ad

 

[Lhughessk]

Very.

He was trying to sell the story that he was an innocent man, one with nothing to hide.

A real innocent person would still be in a state of panic, as not only is the mother of your child missing, but law enforcement seems to be closing in on you.

In trying to act innocent, he effectively did the opposite.

Chris Watts tried to do the same thing, albeit in a different way.

Hopefully they both receive the same fate.

People are good at living in denial and seeming calm all the way up until the cuffs are on. Remember the AMARILLO plastic surgeon who had his friend kill an anesthesiologist in Lubbock who was seeing his ex-wife? That guy was seeing patients and cool as a cucumber all the way to the end. It rubbed off on his staff too. He had them convinced that it was all one big mistake and he wasn’t going anywhere. Until one day he was in jail and the practice was shut down...

 

[Writestuff]

When did we hear the the grandmother was ill? I don't recall seeing that before. Perhaps that was in the contents of the text sent to KB's employer? It's one of the few reasonable reason I can think of that an employee might take a week off with short notice. JMO.

I don't recall anyone saying the grandmother was ill.

What I am still waiting for is CB's "explanation" of why she waited so long to report KB missing. She said "it was a long story and it would all come out soon".

Now that PF has been arrested, I would like to know this story.

If she talks to KB daily and couldn't get a hold of her the day after Thanksgiving to find out how her holiday went and also didn't reach KB the next couple of days after that - I would imagine she would've called PF to find out what was going on.

1. When did PF tell CB that KB had gone to visit Grandma in Soap Lake?
2. When did CB find out that this story was a lie? I'm sure she would've called Grandma right away when she couldn't reach KB.
3. Why did it take 10 days for CB to report KB as missing?

I'm thinking this must have something to do with the evidence LE has - as well as the evidence from KB townhouse. Otherwise we would've heard WHY it took 10 DAYS to report her missing by family members.

 

[cody22]

When did we hear the the grandmother was ill? I don't recall seeing that before. Perhaps that was in the contents of the text sent to KB's employer? It's one of the few reasonable reason I can think of that an employee might take a week off with short notice. JMO.

Didn't the VI say that in one of her few early posts ?

 

[mustloveco]

So, it says Clint Cline is the president of the Two Mile High Club. Let me tell you how that involves PF.
Cripple Creek is an old mining and gambling town. The Ashanti Gold Mine is there. There are a bunch of casinos. That's basically it. In the summer, they let all these donkeys roam around that town (im not sure why???) . They are really cute though. I am assuming that as a farrier, when there is a problem with one of the donkeys, they call PF to help.
jmo moo ..

 

[justpeachy22]

IMO, they might use his child to get him to talk. What her life will be moving forward, her wellbeing without her parents, etc. They will try to appeal to a closed off side of him right now.

I'm probably odd one out in my opinion here - but I believe he truly loves his daughter, even cherishes her.

I too believe he truly loves and cherishes his daughter. When I saw the video of him walking out of the custody hearing I swear he flinched just a little when the reporter mentioned her name, saying ‘baby K wants to know where her mama is’. He’s been so stoic and self controlled in not responding but I think he had a harder time doing so when he heard her name.

 

[MsBetsy]

I don't think that has been made clear. It's possible it sent the ping when the phone was turned on to send texts. But from what I can tell, none of that timeline has been clarified.

I thought they knew the time that the phone pinged. I thought I saw it posted that it was around five something that day. I could be thinking of something else, though.

 

[The Saint]

@otto
see my previous post for more addresses.

I think that LE searched this park according to a WS poster who is local.
Memorial Park
117 Center Ave, Woodland Park, CO 80863
There is a pond there.
Memorial Park | Woodland Park - City Above the Clouds

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Last phone ping:
Gooding, ID 83330 ( around 5:13pm on November 25th).
Google Maps

Kelsey's mom lives in Laclede, ID
approx 580 miles from Gooding.
Gooding ID is approx 824 miles from Kelsey’s home in Woodland Park CO.

 

[The Farm]

I just watched, again, the Today Show story (Kelsey Berreth case: Parents of missing Colorado mom get custody of child.

There is a gentleman who was introduced as a "colleague" of PF with the Two Mile High Club/Cripple Creek. Searching the TMH Club, I see they are involved with donkeys and hold tours up to Aspen. Has anyone thought Aspen may be an area of interest to search. Years ago we drove from Denver to Aspen along the Continental Divide and let me tell you, I am not so sure I could do that again. The roadside drop up the CD was directly straight down in many spots. WAY DOWN.... Gorgeous but super scary.

The Two Mile High Club has a little herd of donkeys but they stay in Cripple Creek. They walk the streets during the tourist season,,May-Sept and then are put in a large penned area in the Creek for winter. A couple of winters ago one was found dead and it was concluded that a mountain lion got it. They are fed and watered which the Two Mile takes care of all that. When you go into the little shops they will have little baggies of grain that you purchase because they are not supposed to eat ice cream cones and all the junk that tourist give them. They are adorable.

But whoever disposed of KB, and I hate to use that wording, really could have done it real close to home. Real close, lots of area to dispose and hide and never be found. That is why I really wonder if in fact she is in Idaho as I can't see taking that chance.

I never realized how much of a flatlander I am until I traversed those roads in the Rockies recently. I went over the Continental Divide in the 70's when I was young and had no idea what mortality was. I was not afraid, I was brave and ambitious. The old Ford station wagon I was in (Just like Chevy Chase) even had bad tires who cares! I do not how I survived to be honest.
Now I am much much older and it is a whole different ball game, I would not go up into those mountains again.....EVER!

Gorgeous yes, scary yes unless you are brought up in it and used to it. The winter is deadly.

YUP Flatlander here so I hear you @Nudgee

 

[Hopefullyhelpful]

I’ve disputed this before. We see photos taken by serial killers and (sometimes) hitmen.

PF wanted Kelsey out of the picture. He wouldn’t have taken a photograph that he would later use in order to derive some sort of satisfaction.

This was business, not pleasure.

A photograph would have potentially implicated himself in a crime as well.

There is a certain panic that tends to overcome most first time killers (except for pure sociopaths or psychopaths), that doesn’t lend itself to stopping to take a picture.

Assuming this was a first time. And assuming that it served only the purpose of ridding him of KB and not fulfilling a deeper need. Sorry to go so dark....but can we really just assume anything?

 

[MassGuy]

I too believe he truly loves and cherishes his daughter. When I saw the video of him walking out of the custody hearing I swear he flinched just a little when the reporter mentioned her name, saying ‘baby K wants to know where her mama is’. He’s been so stoic and self controlled in not responding but I think he had a harder time doing so when he heard her name.

If he loved his daughter, he wouldn’t have killed her mother.

And I don’t think he wasn’t “stoic and self controlled,” he was cold and distant.

A moment of humanity, if that was one, is nothing to hang one’s hat on.