CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #18 *ARREST*

[Beamer15]

Day Before He Was Arrested in Case of Missing Fiancée, What Colorado Dad Told a Client

He also contends that Berreth had disappeared on other occasions and returned. Police have not confirmed any such incidents from Berreth’s past.

This really is a BS statement- I’m sure she DID “disappear” on other occasions. It’s called WORK. She worked 90 miles away from where she lives and is a pilot. This nonsense statement sounds like something straight out of PF’s mouth.

 

[Dexxie8]

Why didn't Clinton Cline think it was scary that Patrick didn't beg him and others to help search for Kelsey and put up her missing person fliers? Imo, Mr. Cline's irrational thinking showed his agenda was to help Patrick.

Totally agree. He even said “that’s the last thing I would be doing”. YES Mr. Cline. that’s the last thing ALL of us non- murderers would be doing. We would be frantically searching for our loved one.

On a lighter note say “client Clinton Cline” 10 times fast...

 

[MassGuy]

You Have the Right to Remain Silent

I accidentally posted this in the wrong place before. I find it interesting because his extreme silence is unnerving to me. MOO is that it's because he's guilty and doesn't want to risk a slip up. Still, it's not that easy to stay completely silent.

His silence is extremely unusual, regardless of his guilt or innocence.

An innocent man would feel compelled to help find his missing fiancé, and want to publicize her disappearance.

He would also want to defend himself from public attack.

A guilty man would want to give the appearance of helping to find her, and would typically play the role of concerned partner.

PF decided that he was going to do none of these things.

It’s both rare and disturbing.

 

[NanZDrew]

Why didn't Clinton Cline think it was scary that Patrick didn't beg him and others to help search for Kelsey and put up her missing person fliers? Imo, Mr. Cline's irrational thinking showed his agenda was to help Patrick.

What his interview may have done is to have alerted LE that there is another phone that needs to be checked out.

 

[mustloveco]

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[Elley Mae]

I believe her mother knew KB was dead by Nov. 30th. I also think her mother knew KB was concerned and knew why in the days and weeks leading up to her death. CB's interview was a performance for PF. She knew much more at that time. I think she did not report KB missing bc of the threat of PF to baby K.

I have wondered about that as well. LE did that here.
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Beside him sat Wallen’s parents, knowing police suspected Tessier, as they also did by then, and agreeing to be part of a tactic to see what their daughter’s on-again, off-again boyfriend might say.

Maryland murder suspect Tyler Tessier dies in jail cell just before start of his trial - The Washington Post

 

[Elley Mae]

I think some of us are giving him too much credit, what with elaborate plans and right to die drugs and all that. I think when all is said and done, it will be simple: he no longer wanted her around, but wanted the baby, but didn't want to pay child support to her or deal with her in general. So he thought, well I'll get rid of her, and get someone to do it, and what do you know? Thanksgiving - I'll be with family so they'll all be my alibi that I wasn't around when she vanished.

Except to get Baby K, he had to place himself at the home anyway, and I think he just wanted to get it done and over with, and took care of it himself. Perhaps the person he solicited has finally come forward and told what they know, and that's why their physical safety is important. PF is behind bars, but his family/friends/supporters aren't. In this situation, he is the only one responsible, the other person is not culpable, and the solicitation charge will stick as it.

In an alternate scenario, he came and took the baby, someone else came after and committed the crime and cleanup. Thus he thought he was home free and hence his smug demeanor. Maybe this person is now cooperating, and the solicitation charge will be dropped for a conspiracy charged if/when the person is charged with murder. I find this to be the less likely scenario though, as I just don't believe the actual murderer would not have been charged yet.

Ultimately, my opinion is that he asked someone and took a step towards it (solicitation), but the person did not go through with it, so he did it himself. He cleaned it up. Maybe in the bathroom. That's why a cursory search would not have yielded anything. Maybe search #2 involved luminol and taking apart the shower drain. Any significant amount of blood, or brain matter/tissue, would lead them to conclude she is no longer alive.

Bottom line, he's going down. Not a chance in hell he's going to get away with this, body or no body.

I with you on this.

 

[jillianelaine]

sometimes, sometimes it is a money grab, or a police set up... and in theory, they could have gone through with it, since we don't know much. But, I just don't get the sense of him being criminally savvy enough to even know how to find a true hitman.

Oy, and to think he had friend(s) whom he trusted with his intentions. In this regard, I see someone who may have been far more shady in many other aspects of his life than some of the other wife killers who have been mentioned here. (C.W., S.P.)

 

[Charlot123]

His silence is extremely unusual, regardless of his guilt or innocence.

An innocent man would feel compelled to help find his missing fiancé, and want to publicize her disappearance.

He would also want to defend himself from public attack.

A guilty man would want to give the appearance of helping to find her, and would typically play the role of concerned partner.

PF decided that he was going to do none of these things.

It’s both rare and disturbing.

I tried to put myself in his shoes. Imagining the relationship was mostly co-parenting and (extremely rare, but possible) he had no clue where she’d go.

First, it is a one-year-old kid, and he is a working man.

If I watch the kid during the weekday and the co-parent during the weekend, my weekends are free. This time it was long weekend + next week that I watched the child. So I would either schedule some leisure activity, or a job on the side for the next weekend, but I would like to know when the co-parent is going to show up, if only to relieve me. (It is hard enough to take care of the kid during the week, and now my second weekend is going to be the same?)

I’d probably call and call the co-parent’s cell phone. If the person would not answer, there will be tons of messages. And if the cellphone would get straight to messages, i’d get scared and start calling whoever i’d know, friends, work, parents.

The activity when your plans for the weekend (Dec 1-2) are nixed would have been chaotic, angry, scared, but there’d be a lot of it. Not silence.

 

[jillianelaine]

I don't know... I'm just trying to see things through the eye's of the victim with as little known facts that we have regarding the relationship. That, the relationship, is a big factor as to what happened.

We have an intelligent hard working attractive woman who ended up getting pregnant by a deadbeat. It seems he, like many of the people up the hill that I know, live more or less under the radar and don't work a real job job as I call it, where they take out taxes and SS. Many just get by and most of their dealings are in cash or barter of some type. We all know these types but it seems like that area draws more than its share of these type of individuals. I'm guessing she realized she would get virtually nothing from child support so her next best option was to have him care for their child. She was a flight instructor and from what I have heard DOSS only hires high quality instructors. So seeing one another at the other's place could have been just handing Baby K off and getting caught up on the latest with the child.

But what I have a hard time getting my arms around is the way her life was taken. From the sounds of it the evidence points to her being killed at her place so I assume it is blood. He was a good sized man and although I don't know how often he shooed animals I have always been under the impression that being a farrier is very hard work. It would be so easy for him to just choke her without a mess. But again if there was a bunch of anger there he could have went nonlinear with a knife or something. I think that would be the only way (extreme hate) to kill with such passion as with a knife or such. Or, he could of done the unthinkable and choked/incapacitated her in some way and then dismembered her. It is only a guess as in so many of these cases we just get the crumbs until the end. Then it is easy to put the pieces together.

I wonder how/if the "other recent high profile murder" in Colorado affected him in terms of method of death and disposal of evidence.

 

[Charlot123]

I wonder how/if the "other recent high profile murder" in Colorado affected him in terms of method of death and disposal of evidence.

About the disposal of evidence - interesting question. Especially if there is a possibility of dismemberment. Any chance of a copycat method?

 

[jillianelaine]

This really is a BS statement- I’m sure she DID “disappear” on other occasions. It’s called WORK. She worked 90 miles away from where she lives and is a pilot. This nonsense statement sounds like something straight out of PF’s mouth.

I'd like to see the texts she sent both him and work from those claimed disappearances. Surely he has them on one of his phones!

 

[jillianelaine]

I believe her mother knew KB was dead by Nov. 30th. I also think her mother knew KB was concerned and knew why in the days and weeks leading up to her death. CB's interview was a performance for PF. She knew much more at that time. I think she did not report KB missing bc of the threat of PF to baby K.

I have wondered about this too! Did they have strong evidence pointing to a probable death back on Nov.30th based on something in the text message? This might explain the relatives explanation about it being "a long story". Or explain why they did not discuss things that always seem to appear in similar cases (was there activity on her credit cards). How did the safety of the small child impact their actions...

 

[Colorado303]

Thinking of the Teresa Sievers case where her parents had to move down from Connecticut and stay in Florida for quite a period of time to get custody. It was months and months later that they finally got the court to give them permanent custody and they were allowed to move back to Connecticut. I wonder if requirement of the custody is that the child stay in the same state or area?

I can't imagine staying in that house, but the expense of renting another place to stay while they are there would be significant.

Based on how Shanann’s family was treated, I wouldn’t be suprised to find out that their housing is being taken care of by the DA’s office/county/state. Not only was the Rzucek’s airfare and hotel covered when they came to CO for court appearances, the state also paid for SW and the girls bodies to be flown back to NC, the funeral and the burial. There is a fund referenced by DA in the Watts case that takes care of murdered victims family’s expenses. Not sure if a perp has to be charged first or not though—I do know that the restitution CW has to pay will include those costs and a portion of his prison earnings will go back into that same fund to help other victims/families. I believe it is a state of Colorado fund and not unique to Weld County, though my impression is the DAs office was instrumental in getting the ball rolling.

The Weld County DA’s office could not have shown more compassion, kindness and consideration to Shanann’s family. It was amazing to see and a true comfort to the family as they went through living hell. I like to think Teller County is treating Kelsey’s family with the same respect and consideration during this heinous time.

 

[gitana1]

Based on how Shanann’s family was treated, I wouldn’t be suprised to find out that their housing is being taken care of by the DA’s office/county/state. Not only was the Rzucek’s airfare and hotel covered when they came to CO for court appearances, the state also paid for SW and the girls bodies to be flown back to NC, the funeral and the burial. There is a fund referenced by DA in the Watts case that takes care of murdered victims family’s expenses. Not sure if a perp has to be charged first or not though—I do know that the restitution CW has to pay will include those costs and a portion of his prison earnings will go back into that same fund to help other victims/families. I believe it is a state of Colorado fund and not unique to Weld County, though my impression is the DAs office was instrumental in getting the ball rolling.

The Weld County DA’s office could not have shown more compassion, kindness and consideration to Shanann’s family. It was amazing to see and a true comfort to the family as they went through living hell. I like to think Teller County is treating Kelsey’s family with the same respect and consideration during this heinous time.

Gosh I hope so but that's a lot of money -indefinite housing. I'm thinking they have some pretty definite caps on what they can give.

 

[Colorado303]

Cline says Frazee was the primary caretaker for their daughter — and would have had no reason to know immediately that Berreth had gone missing. He also contends that Berreth had disappeared on other occasions and returned. Police have not confirmed any such incidents from Berreth’s past.

The above quote from the article. It's entirely possible he's recounting what he was told. Perhaps PF started some time ago, to plant unflattering seeds about KB as a person, and mom. With the goal when she did go missing, these things would be repeated (I'm leaning more towards this theory). Maybe it's all true. We, the outsiders looking in, really don't know until more of this case is released.

If it’s not true that she took off before yet PF had been telling people that before Thanksgiving, IMO that would be evidence of calculated premeditation.

 

[girlhasnoname]

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Help, now I'm really confused. In this interview it was stated towards the end that the custody hearing was scheduled BEFORE Kelsey disappeared. If that is correct, and I'm hoping that a major news channel would have the facts correct, this is key to motive IMO.

 

[Colorado303]

Well right now, in addition to murder, he’s charged with solicitation of murder. This means he atleast tried to get someone to kill her.

If he had someone help afterwards, it would be something like “accessory after the fact.”

Flash of a thought. We’ve been assuming solicitation of murder charge was based on him talking to someone about killing Kelsey. Charges would be the same if instead he solicited someone after the fact to take out a witness, or someone who might interfere w/custody...

I think it’s very likely the solicitation charge relates to killing Kelsey, but the thought of an alternate target never occurred to me until just now.

 

[susiQ]

You Have the Right to Remain Silent

I accidentally posted this in the wrong place before. I find it interesting because his extreme silence is unnerving to me. MOO is that it's because he's guilty and doesn't want to risk a slip up. Still, it's not that easy to stay completely silent.

Great article! For those of us not familiar with the "system". Please take time to read.

 

[susiQ]

What his interview may have done is to have alerted LE that there is another phone that needs to be checked out.

Would LE have the right to search SF's phone log as well?