CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #18 *ARREST*

[The Night Watchman]

His decision to remain mute may have come about as a result of watching the events unfold in the Watts murder, as opposed to advice from his relatives. To date, I've seen nothing to suggest any sort of tight bond between he and his siblings. Sometimes I think they didn't even like him.

I don’t think PF is putting any thought into how or if he speaks to LE. His lawyer knew early on that PF would incriminate himself by saying anything, and told him to not say anything. So I won’t demonize PF for not speaking to LE.

I’ll demonize him for what he has done.

 

[Mom24]

Putting myself in CB's shoes, as a mother, I would have immediately suspected the worst (by Dec 2nd), but would hope beyond hope she was still alive "somewhere" until ALL hope was gone.

CB is probably still hoping her daughter will be found alive somewhere.

 

[tictoc]

If he really did go to the dump with evidence, and in his county, that would go down as the dumbest thing anyone has ever done.

The text she supposedly sent to him could be a big fat mistake for him too. My guess is there are no questions asked in it. He wouldn't be planning to answer.

ETA it is my opinion that she did not send those texts. JMO

 

[jillianelaine]

Hi Otto,

First I'm a newbie here and obvious my posts are pale in comparison to yours. But being there is so much experience on this board I find it a good place for cutting my teeth on some of these cases. Granted we don't know many of the details but I think as we do find out more and more details, such as how she was murdered, those can play an important role as to what actually happened and the motive for it. Being he is charged with solicitation as well as murder this tells me there was some planning on his part and not just an act of something sudden that went out of control. My thinking was if he had planned it (remember the solicitation charge) I would like to believe it was more of a clean killing say choking and disposing of her body which would seem a lot cleaner. The solicitation charge somehow tells me there was no sudden action anger, such as an argument in the heat of the moment that took her life. But I certainly appreciate your feedback as I'm here to hear all theories and thoughts from all. That is the way we learn.

I have to agree about a "clean killing". I believe whatever he did in that home, he didn't believe it would leave any traces of evidence. That it wasn't about guns nor knives. Had his plans included those methods, he just as easily could have lured her to a more neutral location which was far less likely to be evaluated by LE.

 

[ttg1]

Only a matter of time before we hear more from the Twin Falls Police department in my opinion. The break will come from there I believe.

 

[jillianelaine]

CB is probably still hoping her daughter will be found alive somewhere.

Based on the statement she released, I'd argue that she knows her daughter is deceased.

 

[MsBetsy]

I don't believe the custody hearing was set up before she was murdered. I do remember going to the county website to check for any outstanding legal issues for both of them and found none. I'm sure I wasn't the only one who checked those sites out early on.

Yes, I don't see how that information could have possibly be kept "secret." Isn't anything filed with the court public information? No way would that have been missed before.
We have had attorneys here who have said they are sure it was filed recently, as a result of the arrest. Imo

 

[susiQ]

CB did say there was a lot more to the story

Was it CB who said "there was more to this story," or was it KB's aunt? I thought it was the aunt but I could be mistaken.

 

[cluciano63]

I understand that Kelsey’s mom may have been choosing her words carefully in early interviews, but would she have invented the substance of their phone conversations from Thanksgiving morning completely? I can’t see that. I think Kelsey did seem to be preparing for a day with her PF and her baby, maybe not with formal set plans, but together, and that all seemed fine.

I am convinced that PF is the only source that a break-up had occurred, and that was to justify his not being concerned when she went missing. But jmo. I know most people seem to believe, or want to believe, that Kelsey was over him, etc but what evidence of that is there?

 

[jillianelaine]

Recipes or no recipes, I wonder if it was unusual for KB to speak with her mother twice in a day? And if there was something else they had been discussing that might hold a clue to why he did what he did--and all of the talk about holidays, baking, tree shopping, and "loving relationships" was staged to try to convince PF that no one knew what may have triggered her death and to protect the life of the baby.

 

[tictoc]

Here's an interesting updated article IMO
Kelsey Berreth's cousin speaks out for the first time since fiance's arrest | Daily Mail Online
"...I've been having to bite my tongue for a while..." says her cousin
And he helped her move from Washington. Interesting. And KB was (or sounded) "very excited" to have the baby.

 

[susiQ]

In terms of domestic issues, I don't see a justification for murder. If he was looking to make a new start with someone else, I think he'd have just walked. I don't think he'd worry about what her family thought, and I don't think he'd be concerned about his own family's reaction. Nor do I believe he had the spine to concern himself with what Kelsey thought. So why? What did he have to gain? He was on a birth certificate and had lived his life with "part time custody" to date, so why now? He saw what had happened to his peer, CW. There had to be something more to this tale.

Unfortunately, custody of a child has often been the primary motive for murder of a SO or ex. Sad, but true.

 

[susiQ]

I understand that Kelsey’s mom may have been choosing her words carefully in early interviews, but would she have invented the substance of their phone conversations from Thanksgiving morning completely? I can’t see that. I think Kelsey did seem to be preparing for a day with her PF and her baby, maybe not with formal set plans, but together, and that all seemed fine.

I am convinced that PF is the only source that a break-up had occurred, and that was to justify his not being concerned when she went missing. But jmo. I know most people seem to believe, or want to believe, that Kelsey was over him, etc but what evidence of that is there?

My thoughts exactly! CB revealed tidbits of her conversation with KB on the 22nd, which didn't jive with what PF told her later. I think the PC was to alert others of KB being a missing person but also to "rattle" PF. Maybe it did, maybe it didn't. It in essence cast doubt on his version of the story.
edit:grammar

 

[jillianelaine]

In terms of the press conferences-- its tough to distinguish what was reality, and what had been concocted in an effort to further the investigation. IMO, the surprise CB expressed in seeing that KB had been causally dressed, was genuine--and indicative of a mother who had been told her daughter had special plans that early afternoon.
That was the one statement that didn't cry to to me as "possibly contrived for investigative purposes".

 

[Mom24]

I understand that Kelsey’s mom may have been choosing her words carefully in early interviews, but would she have invented the substance of their phone conversations from Thanksgiving morning completely? I can’t see that. I think Kelsey did seem to be preparing for a day with her PF and her baby, maybe not with formal set plans, but together, and that all seemed fine.

I am convinced that PF is the only source that a break-up had occurred, and that was to justify his not being concerned when she went missing. But jmo. I know most people seem to believe, or want to believe, that Kelsey was over him, etc but what evidence of that is there?

Not to mention, PF also told at least one person that Kelsey had disappeared before. I find this utter crap too. She held down a job, had a child and communicated regularly with family members. That doesn't pass the sniff test of someone who is routinely taking off and deserting her fiance and daughter.

 

[jillianelaine]

Am very curious about that. Wondering what the family dynamics are/were, and, have we heard anything from classmates, etc? (Other than this Cline guy.)

The baby of the family,

Am very curious about that. Wondering what the family dynamics are/were, and, have we heard anything from classmates, etc? (Other than this Cline guy.)

Was there any evidence of the siblings in the court room?

 

[jillianelaine]

I don’t think PF is putting any thought into how or if he speaks to LE. His lawyer knew early on that PF would incriminate himself by saying anything, and told him to not say anything. So I won’t demonize PF for not speaking to LE.

I’ll demonize him for what he has done.

I dont demonize him either. I have heard suggestions that his LE family may have coached him. Just here to say that I'm not even convinced they liked him. Nor do I think that references to them having contacts that might help in this case

Unfortunately, custody of a child has often been the primary motive for murder of a SO or ex. Sad, but true.

Yes, sad and true. This case might differ from most because we have a father who never lived full time with the mother of his child, nor his child. I do not know if it is rare for a non full time custodial parent to kill. I just don't know.

 

[PommyMommy]

Was it CB who said "there was more to this story," or was it KB's aunt? I thought it was the aunt but I could be mistaken.

It was Kelsey's cousin.

Community holds vigil for mother missing from Woodland Park since Thanksgiving
"I think there's information that we just don't all know yet because it is tied to the case, and I don't doubt that when all the information comes out, it's going to be understandable at that time," Garretson said. "It's a long story and that's not all something that can be shared right now."

 

[Mom24]

It was Kelsey's cousin.

Community holds vigil for mother missing from Woodland Park since Thanksgiving
"I think there's information that we just don't all know yet because it is tied to the case, and I don't doubt that when all the information comes out, it's going to be understandable at that time," Garretson said. "It's a long story and that's not all something that can be shared right now."

Thanks Pommy, I was searching for it!

 

[PommyMommy]

Recipes or no recipes, I wonder if it was unusual for KB to speak with her mother twice in a day? And if there was something else they had been discussing that might hold a clue to why he did what he did--and all of the talk about holidays, baking, tree shopping, and "loving relationships" was staged to try to convince PF that no one knew what may have triggered her death and to protect the life of the baby.

Their phone call was interrupted because Kelsey had to tend to the baby. They continued their conversation in the second phone call.

Mother of missing Woodland Park woman hopes for her safe return
Cheryl lives in Idaho and said the two of them talked on the phone twice on Thanksgiving. The call got interrupted because Kelsey had to take care of her 14-month-old daughter. Cheryl said nothing sounded out of the ordinary in those conversations.
MOO