CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #2

[MyBelle]

Oh, good to know. So if I see an article somewhere about anything and I don't agree with something written in the article I can just call them up and they will remove it in order to satisfy me. I would have thought that if a journalist had checked their facts before publishing they would stand by their articles. Guess that isn't how it works any more.

If you are a member of law enforcement, a local publication would probably comply with your request for privacy and remove information that really isn't necessary for the rest of the story. JMO

 

[tiffkinsadder]

KB was to spend T'giving with PF? Yet she hands over the baby to him that very same afternoon? And he doesn't ever report her missing? Ever? So...he was okay with her handing off the baby and disappearing, didn't concern him??? And doesn't contact her mom about her? Hinky dinky parlez vous.

Si!

 

[Jethro4WS]

Since the Woodland Park PD is now posted on their FB that she was last seen at Safeway, that must be where the toddler hand off occurred (or that's Patrick's story).

That is the last time she was seen by anyone else but PF. Woodland Park Police have a timeline on their FB page. Posted only a few hours ago now.

Woodland Park Police Department

 

[angelainwi]

By god, I think it is time to retire for the night. I am grateful to have those store bought cinnamon rolls to bake up in the morning with my coffee to see what this case brings tomorrow. Tonight was classic WS. Good times. The intelligence, wit, empathy, and so much is what makes this place so special.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

Are there no rehab facilities closer than that? How did she get there?

Colorado Springs has several. So does Denver.

 

[azure]

If you are a member of law enforcement, a local publication would probably comply with your request for privacy and remove information that really isn't necessary for the rest of the story. JMO

Or, if you’re a member of local LE and need to keep things quiet while building a case, you might want the media to keep certain info private. JMO.

 

[Gardener1850]

 

[The Night Watchman]

good questions, i would add....where was she supposed to be for Thanksgiving and why didnt that person/persons raise a red flag earlier?

That is a good point. Kelsey told her mother she had plans with PF for Thanksgiving (reported- correct me if I am wrong). She may not have been telling the truth to her mother though since her relationship with the father of her child was probably not as rosy as she portrayed.

Kelsey was baking for Thanksgiving dinner, it seems. Nobody in her family was expecting her.

So what could have been the plans that day?

1) Kelsey was going to stay home alone on Thanksgiving.

2) Kelsey was going to spend time with her "fiancé" on Thanksgiving. Based on a long standing American tradition, this would likely be with the fiancé's family rather than a dinner alone.

3) Kelsey was going to spend time with others on Thanksgiving.

4) can't think of other options.

Fact: she spent Thanksgiving dinner with no one, no one saw her at any Thanksgiving dinner. In cases 2 and 3, there would be immediate concern by a number of people if she didn't show up.

So at the end of the day-

Option 1) if Kelsey was going to spend Thanksgiving alone, no one would be alarmed if she disappeared that day.

Option 2) the fiancé's family would be alarmed to find out that Kelsey blew them off.

Option 3) in 99.9% of cases (+/- 0.1%), if she was invited to Thanksgiving dinner with acquaintances, there would be follow up as to why she didn't show up.

So I discount Option 3 as a possibility. Option 1 is a possibility as it appears to me that her relationship with PF was not as portrayed.

What is interesting is Option 2. If there was a family waiting for someone for Thanksgiving dinner and they never showed...and went missing for weeks...what goes through their mind? Does this become a family secret? Do they talk about it between themselves? Business as usual? Whispers? A collective decision not to talk about it?

 

[esayer]

Everything about this case is absolutely bizarre. We can’t even get basic facts confirmed.

Occam’s razor and all, seems like we know what the most likely outcome is and who’s responsible but this is just weird

OK here's my outlandish theory (I'm giving the baby daddy the benefit of the doubt for the moment even though he's probably the reason she's missing).

She's a hot lady, a pilot instructor. One of her students got obsessed, kidnapped her and they flew(or drove) to Idaho and he drove her into the Spokane river and she's the lady in the river. IMO.

If it was the fiancee, he had plenty of time to drive to Idaho and back in that amount of time IMO. But I'm sure more will come out soon and it will be nuts.

 

[jewelsmac]

i have not seen anything on the national news, are there any stories about searches in the local news in her area? Or are they taking the phone ping as a reason not to search in her town?

 

[Esma]

I have no doubt that if her mother spoke with her twice on Thanksgiving she knew for sure what her plans were. In her interview, she only said what her plans weren't- 'a big meal at her house' wasn't planned. She omitted what her plan was purposefully. Why? No clue. But, they said the full interview will be posted tomorrow so maybe more will be revealed.

 

[Moonracer]

That is the last time she was seen by anyone else but PF. Woodland Park Police have a timeline on their FB page. Posted only a few hours ago now.

Woodland Park Police Department

They need to get the team that broke CW and let them have a go at a certain someone...

 

[azure]

OK here's my outlandish theory (I'm giving the baby daddy the benefit of the doubt for the moment even though he's probably the reason she's missing).

She's a hot lady, a pilot instructor. One of her students got obsessed, kidnapped her and they flew(or drove) to Idaho and he drove her into the Spokane river and she's the lady in the river. IMO.

If it was the fiancee, he had plenty of time to drive to Idaho and back in that amount of time IMO. But I'm sure more will come out soon and it will be nuts.

Nevermind-not confirmed in MSM yet.

 

[Jennifer17]

Colorado Springs has several. So does Denver.

Yes, so why drive with no car 600 miles away.

 

[esayer]

Since the Woodland Park PD is now posted on their FB that she was last seen at Safeway, that must be where the toddler hand off occurred (or that's Patrick's story).

Yes that was always my understanding even though like why would you a) not be spending TG together, and b) do a kid exchange at Safeway???

 

[Jennifer17]

That is a good point. Kelsey told her mother she had plans with PF for Thanksgiving (reported- correct me if I am wrong). She may not have been telling the truth to her mother though since her relationship with the father of her child was probably not as rosy as she portrayed.

Kelsey was baking for Thanksgiving dinner, it seems. Nobody in her family was expecting her.

So what could have been the plans that day?

1) Kelsey was going to stay home alone on Thanksgiving.

2) Kelsey was going to spend time with her "fiancé" on Thanksgiving. Based on a long standing American tradition, this would likely be with the fiancé's family rather than a dinner alone.

3) Kelsey was going to spend Thanksgiving with others on Thanksgiving.

4) can't think of one.

Fact: she spent Thanksgiving dinner with no one, no one saw her at any Thanksgiving dinner. In cases 2 and 3, there would be immediate concern by a number of people if she didn't show up.

So at the end of the day-

Option 1) if Kelsey was going to spend Thanksgiving alone, no one would be alarmed if she disappeared that day.

Option 2) the fiancé's family would be alarmed to find out that Kelsey blew them off.

Option 3) in 99.9% of cases (+/- 0.1%), if she was invited to Thanksgiving dinner with acquaintances, there would be follow up as to why she didn't show up.

So I discount Option 3 as a possibility. Option 1 is a possibility as it appears to me that her relationship with PF was not as portrayed.

What is interesting is Option 2. If there was a family waiting for someone for Thanksgiving dinner and they never showed...and went missing for weeks...what goes through their mind? Does this become a family secret? Do they talk about it between themselves? Business as usual? Whispers?

It seems that they close ranks and delegate one of them to spread false info on crime forum sites.

 

[Esma]

This case may seem bizarre as presented thus far, but I have a notion it is playing out this way for unfortunate reason. I think they have suspect in their target and they are holding their few cards tight. It must be very thin circumstantial evidence they have to work with but know who the perp is. That's what I sense.

 

[jewelsmac]

That is a good point. Kelsey told her mother she had plans with PF for Thanksgiving (reported- correct me if I am wrong). She may not have been telling the truth to her mother though since her relationship with the father of her child was probably not as rosy as she portrayed.

Kelsey was baking for Thanksgiving dinner, it seems. Nobody in her family was expecting her.

So what could have been the plans that day?

1) Kelsey was going to stay home alone on Thanksgiving.

2) Kelsey was going to spend time with her "fiancé" on Thanksgiving. Based on a long standing American tradition, this would likely be with the fiancé's family rather than a dinner alone.

3) Kelsey was going to spend Thanksgiving with others on Thanksgiving.

4) can't think of one.

Fact: she spent Thanksgiving dinner with no one, no one saw her at any Thanksgiving dinner. In cases 2 and 3, there would be immediate concern by a number of people if she didn't show up.

So at the end of the day-

Option 1) if Kelsey was going to spend Thanksgiving alone, no one would be alarmed if she disappeared that day.

Option 2) the fiancé's family would be alarmed to find out that Kelsey blew them off.

Option 3) in 100% of cases (+/- 0.1%), if she was invited to Thanksgiving dinner with acquaintances, there would be follow up as to why she didn't show up.

So I discount Option 3 as a possibility. Option 1 is a possibility as it appears to me that her relationship with PF was not as portrayed.

What is interesting is Option 2. If there was a family waiting for someone for Thanksgiving dinner and they never showed...and went missing for weeks...what goes through their mind? Does this become a family secret? Do they talk about it between themselves? Business as usual? Whispers?

Amazing post...and yes, it covers all the bases. I have to believe all of these questions have been asked by LE, but for some reason no one is sharing that information, which seems odd. How many cases of "they went missing while traveling to see friends/going to see family/meet someone for dinner?" have we seen on the news? Its almost always the lead in to the story...woman disappears on way to thanksgiving dinner...but we get nothing. Its just plain weird

 

[1mtroyal]

KB was to spend T'giving with PF? Yet she hands over the baby to him that very same afternoon? And he doesn't ever report her missing? Ever? So...he was okay with her handing off the baby and disappearing, didn't concern him??? And doesn't contact her mom about her? Hinky dinky parlez vous.

In the KOAA 5 interview, Kelsey's mom said Kelsey had no plans for Thanksgiving.

 

[Esma]

I just have a feeling that for once it is not the significant other, I may be wrong, but something is leading me to think this way. There is something other at play here.