CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #2

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KB allegedly planned to spend Thanksgiving with PF, and baked cinnamon rolls that were later found left behind in her kitchen. I'm assuming KB did not eat Thanksgiving dinner with PF.

PF allegedly last talked to KB 3 days later on Nov 25, 2018. Did KB and PF plan to go away together when she texted work about time off? What was the status of their "engagement" before Thanksgiving?

No surprise PF did not attend presser. MOO
 
  • #442
I was thinking that someone could set up the auto messages to send on Nov 25th and then maybe put the phone on a semi or a bus or a train (perhaps the day before). Or give it to someone traveling that direction. Just trying to work out how someone could do this without an accomplice knowingly helping them.

I suppose we don't have all the info to really provide a definitive answer here. They only mentioned the one ping, but was that the only ping?

If it was given to someone (without them suspecting anything nefarious) then why only one ping? That's like someone turned the phone on and sent some texts then turned it back off. We have no other info on her phone and it's location other than that. Seems they are withholding to protect that aspect of the investigation.

Also.. I'm not clear.. Did the ping occur the same day texts were sent (11/25) or the day LE was contacted (12/2)?
 
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Re: why fiance didn't speak to media

After CW and the porch interviews, I doubt the significant other would put themselves in that position of being scrutinized or incriminating themselves.. If there is anything to incriminate.

MOO
 
  • #445
Hi everyone, great comments so far.

I have a few thoughts I'll break into a couple posts for readability.

I tend to favor what appears to be the most likely outcome in many of these cases--that she fell victim to foul play at the hands of someone close to her. But unless evidence points that way, I think LE and those who wish to help her have to consider all possible scenarios..

A few thoughts on the cell phone...
Snipped by me for space.

Thank you so much for these thorough and comprehensive posts! I so appreciate your insight!
 
  • #446
Thanks. KB's phone was pinged per Verizon. That implies that the phone company sought out the phone rather than random pinging of towers?
If someone threw Kelsey's phone under some supplies in a horse trailer headed to Idaho, it would ping in Idaho as long as it was still charged. What happens when the phone loses power? Does it still ping?
 
  • #447
KB allegedly planned to spend Thanksgiving with PF, and baked cinnamon rolls that were later found left behind in her kitchen. I'm assuming KB did not eat Thanksgiving dinner with PF.

PF allegedly last talked to KB 3 days later on Nov 25, 2018. Did KB and PF plan to go away together when she texted work about time off? What was the status of their "engagement" before Thanksgiving?

No surprise PF did not attend presser. MOO
I don't think they talked on the 25th - PF said he received a text from her. No plans to go away together that I'm aware of, and status of engagement unknown. Per LE, PF is the father of the baby (Press Conference). MOO
 
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KB allegedly planned to spend Thanksgiving with PF, and baked cinnamon rolls that were later found left behind in her kitchen. I'm assuming KB did not eat Thanksgiving dinner with PF.

PF allegedly last talked to KB 3 days later on Nov 25, 2018. Did KB and PF plan to go away together when she texted work about time off? What was the status of their "engagement" before Thanksgiving?

No surprise PF did not attend presser. MOO

We only have PF's word for it that he and Kelsey planned to have Thanksgiving dinner together. The cinnamon rolls could have been for herself and/or another guest.

PF and Kelsey never lived together, and at the time of her disappearance, they were not engaged. <modsnip - rumor>
 
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nevermind....
 
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Police release surveillance video of missing Colorado mother
Berreth’s fiancé, Patrick Frazee, told police he saw Kelsey later in the afternoon when he picked up their daughter, but investigators won’t release details on where that exchange took place.

Police have canvassed neighborhoods and conducted multiple interviews, but they are no closer to finding Kelsey.

Police said there’s no indication she got on a plane.

Berreth’s fiancé was not at the press briefing on Monday. He is involved in equine care in Florissant.

FOX31 stopped by his house looking to talk to him on Tuesday but the gate across the driveway was locked. Police say the couple’s one-year old daughter is currently with Frazee.

Equine care? He has a horse ranch? Or he is a veterinarian?
(I know it's a ranch but that's an odd way to phrase it-- JMO)

I'm glad the media is camped out outside his gate. I hope it compels him to at least do an interview or make a statement. JMO.
 
  • #451
One thing that stood out to me during the presser was that when the Chief was asked if they were going to search PF's house, he took a significant pause, made a face, and then stated that might be something they would do.

I just feel soooo much time has passed that even searching PF'S house at this point might not turn anything up. He would have plenty of time to remove anything suspicious if there was anything suspicious to remove.

The passage of time truly is against this case.

MOO
 
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Re: why fiance didn't speak to media

After CW and the porch interviews, I doubt the significant other would put themselves in that position of being scrutinized or incriminating themselves.. If there is anything to incriminate.

MOO

I think the Watts case is exactly why PF didn't show up for the press conference. But telling the national news media to get off his property while cameras roll makes himself look like a suspect. JMO
 
  • #453
We only have PF's word for it that he and Kelsey planned to have Thanksgiving dinner together. The cinnamon rolls could have been for herself and/or another guest.

PF and Kelsey never lived together, and at the time of her disappearance, they were not engaged. They had broken up, and Kaylee did not bear his surname.
PF didn't say that he and Kelsey planned to have Thanksgiving dinner together. There is no reporting of that.
 
  • #454
The initial reporting was confusing. My understanding is that Kelsey's mother was not aware she was missing until December 2. It was on December 2 (after contacting him first), the fiance told Kelsey's mother that the last time he had heard from Kelsey was via text message from Kelsey's phone on November 25. When the mother heard that information from him on December 2, she reported her daughter missing at that time and a welfare check was done.
 
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PF didn't say that he and Kelsey planned to have Thanksgiving dinner together. There is no reporting of that.

Thank you for that correction. Who did make the statement they had dinner together, and why is it being reported in the media? Is that only speculation because of some baked cinnamon rolls?
 
  • #456
I think the Watts case is exactly why PF didn't show up for the press conference. But telling the national news media to get off his property while cameras roll makes himself look like a suspect. JMO

I agree.. Still looks suspect. But doesn't give us much to go off on so he's saving himself in that aspect.<modsnip - not victim friendly>
 
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I can see why the surveillance video wasn’t released. There’s nothing to see there. Perfectly normal mom shopping with her child. What happened to her happened later that day, IMO.
 
  • #458
Equine care? He has a horse ranch? Or he is a veterinarian?
(I know it's a ranch but that's an odd way to phrase it-- JMO)

I'm glad the media is camped out outside his gate. I hope it compels him to at least do an interview or make a statement. JMO.
Farrier. Takes care of horse's hooves, shoeing, etc.
 
  • #459
Hi everyone, great comments so far.

I have a few thoughts I'll break into a couple posts for readability.

I tend to favor what appears to be the most likely outcome in many of these cases--that she fell victim to foul play at the hands of someone close to her. But unless evidence points that way, I think LE and those who wish to help her have to consider all possible scenarios.

So for example...

1. People have questioned why the fiancé didn't report her missing. One possible explanation is nefarious, but I can think of alternative reasons why he and LE might not reveal the contents of the text that are more protective. Let's say she had texted to tell him that she was breaking up with him, that she was having a mental breakdown and needed some space, that she had intent to self-harm, that she was running away to pursue some adventure/passion/ex/lover, that she was using some sort of controlled substance and didn't feel safe with the baby, that she was checking into rehab/recovery etc. In any of these cases, or others we could think of, the fiancé could conceivably be trying to protect the privacy or reputation of his family. This could also explain why he didn't attend the press conference, if he doesn't truly consider her a conventional "missing person" due to the circumstances under which she "left." Maybe he doesn't want to reveal what he knows, because it will ruin her reputation, so he is avoiding being put on the spot by reporters.

Again, these are maybe not the most likely outcome in my mind, but important to consider.

2. What if it wasn't exactly a "custody exchange?"

I've seen it said that she met her fiancé to "exchange the child," then I've seen others refer to it as a "custody" exchange--but are we sure that is what it was? I've been married for 15 years, but I still might call my husband on his way home from work and say "Meet me at the grocery store to pick up our kids so I can go through the check out lane and then cook in peace...and I'll be ready for dinner." What if it was more a part of how they planned their day and then, as the day proceeded, they got into an argument and called off their plans?

What if, as she was baking, a second plan came up. Obviously, the fiancé could have picked her up. Or, purely hypothetically, let's say she had her doubts about the fiancé for months and they got into an argument, and she reached out to another friend, an ex, a flirty co-worker or someone else to blow off steam. What if someone swung by and said let's go out for drinks or Black Friday shopping? What if she called a cab or an Uber/Lyft etc. and took off for some sort of fun day or night on the town to take her mind off things? Did she take a hiking pack with her ID and credit cards and go out to unwind in nature? In any of these situations, she grabs her purse, thinking she'd be back, but then falls victim to something else.

There are many reasons someone might leave cinnamon rolls out: they didn't feel like cleaning it up then and intended to clean it up later that night, they were depressed and unmotivated, they had a change of plans and had to hurry to get ready for a different outing...

On the other hand, I also think, if she intended to leave town, she could've been picking up food her daughter likes to leave with her fiancé. That sounds like something I would do if I was leaving my kids in the care of my husband, just because I feel like he might not know or think to make sure they're stocked up on their favorite items.

3. On the bag. I have a super close relationship with my brothers, 1 of whom lives very close by. But there's no way they would have been able to look at my clothes and makeup and luggage, at age 29, and accurately assess whether I had taken a bag of clothes with me when I left. Case in point: I keep a gym bag packed with an extra makeup bag, toothbrush, and change of clothes. If I threw a few more items into that for a weekend away, would my brother notice that was missing? No. He's never even seen it before to my knowledge and he lives in the same town. He wouldn't be able to be sure how many pieces of luggage I own even. He would only be able to open my medicine cabinet and make an educated guess--like, I see a toothbrush, so she must not have taken it. But I have more than 1 toothbrush. Lots of people do.

4. On other possible reasons they might not spend Thanksgiving together...

Before we were married, while we were dating, my husband and I occasionally separated for certainly holiday functions, so I'm just trying to think of reasons they might not have been celebrating together.

--They had a falling out.
--They're not really together.
--They have separate plans. She got invited to a weekend away with someone, he wanted to stay close to home with fam.
--She doesn't like or has conflict with the finance's family.
--She is sick.
--She is in a bad place mentally/emotionally.
--She planned to work the day or so following Thanksgiving and didn't want to drive to a potentially out of town celebration.

Again, I think the most likely scenario is foul play at the hands of a close person, with the second most likely being a voluntary absence due to circumstances the public isn't aware of.

I want to know what plans the fiancé or others believed Kelsey had for the holidays and who else spoke with her in the 48 hours prior to her disappearance. And I want them to check cameras between finance's house and hers, and between hers and routes out of town.


Well thought out post, thank you.

But I do wonder about this comment of yours:

"1. People have questioned why the fiancé didn't report her missing."Let's say she had texted to tell him that she was breaking up with him, that she was having a mental breakdown and needed some space, that she had intent to self-harm, that she was running away to pursue some adventure/passion/ex/lover, that she was using some sort of controlled substance and didn't feel safe with the baby, that she was checking into rehab/recovery etc...

Even if any of the above ^^^ was said, why wouldn't he call LE to report her missing? If she said she was having a breakdown, or was feeling suicidal, wouldn't that be an important reason to call LE and call her friends and family, to try and find her quickly?
 
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https://nypost.com/2018/12/10/text-sent-from-missing-moms-phone-days-after-she-vanished/

Doss Aviation, a Colorado Springs flight school, got a text from one of its instructors, Kelsey Berreth, on Nov. 25 telling the school she was taking the next week off, Woodland Park Police told reporters.

But the mom of one hadn’t been seen by family and friends for days at the time of the text. She was last spotted on surveillance footage shopping in a Safeway on Nov. 22.

Frazee also received a text from his fiancee’s phone Nov. 25, De Young said. Berreth’s phone last pinged on Nov. 25 in Idaho, where her mother lives.
 
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