CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #2

[Gunslinging Granny]

https://nypost.com/2018/12/10/text-sent-from-missing-moms-phone-days-after-she-vanished/

Doss Aviation, a Colorado Springs flight school, got a text from one of its instructors, Kelsey Berreth, on Nov. 25 telling the school she was taking the next week off, Woodland Park Police told reporters.

But the mom of one hadn’t been seen by family and friends for days at the time of the text. She was last spotted on surveillance footage shopping in a Safeway on Nov. 22.

Frazee also received a text from his fiancee’s phone Nov. 25, De Young said. Berreth’s phone last pinged on Nov. 25 in Idaho, where her mother lives.

Gooding, Idaho (where her phone pinged) is NOT near the city where her mother lives. It's in the same state, but not near her mother's city.

 

[Deleted member 155000]

I don't have time to look for it right now, but some other WS-ers might remember, to me it seems like we've seen LE assign custody of a minor child to another relative when they consider the caregiving parent a suspect.

The fact that they haven't makes me wonder what they have or what other theories/involved parties they may know about. If I was LE and thought someone just killed their fiancé, for example, I would petition a judge for a temporary change of custody to reduce the risk of them harming the child as well. But they haven't done that...why?

 

[MyBelle]

The initial reporting was confusing. My understanding is that Kelsey's mother was not aware she was missing until December 2. It was on December 2 (after contacting him first), the fiance told Kelsey's mother that the last time he had heard from Kelsey was via text message from Kelsey's phone on November 25. When the mother heard that information from him on December 2, she reported her daughter missing at that time and a welfare check was done.

Kelsey's mom called police for the welfare check on Nov. 25. They discovered the ping in Idaho and because she's an adult that's why they didn't immediately launch an investigation. They may have believed she was headed to see family. JMO

 

[MassGuy]

Re: why fiance didn't speak to media

After CW and the porch interviews, I doubt the significant other would put themselves in that position of being scrutinized or incriminating themselves.. If there is anything to incriminate.

MOO

Yes. If one is guilty, that would probably be a bad idea.

If my fiancé were missing, the last thing I would be worried about was incriminating myself.

But that’s me.

 

[Jethro4WS]

I agree.. Still looks suspect. But doesn't give us much to go off on so he's saving himself in that aspect. But seriously.. Any reasonable fiance would have said something by now.. And certainly would have questioned her absence of 3 days, one text, and then another 7 days of not talking!

That's if they were still engaged (or if they ever were engaged). For all the world, the way it is described - "exchanging their daughter" - suggests two people that are not in a relationship any longer. That is one of the most basic, fundamental facts that could be cleared up in all of this and yet, no one seems to want to clear this up and explain exactly what the real situation was and I don't understand why that is.

 

[Deleted member 718]

Just saw an ABC segment on TV. PF has retained a lawyer and did not speak to media. Told them to get off of his property. Hmmmm.

To appear even a tiny bit concerned, he could have said 'I have a baby in my arms. Please refer any questions to my attorney'.

 

[Jethro4WS]

Kelsey's mom called police for the welfare check on Nov. 25. They discovered the ping in Idaho and because she's an adult that's why they didn't immediately launch an investigation. They may have believed she was headed to see family. JMO

Not according to the police in the press conference yesterday. The chief clearly said that after Kelsey mother reported Kelsey missing they performed the welfare check. Kelsey was reported missing on December 2nd.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

What if someone mailed Kelsey's cellphone to a random home in a really poor part of Idaho? The indigent resident receiving the package would open it and might NOT go to the police. If the phone was then "jail broke" from Verizon, then Verizon wouldn't be able to ping it anymore. It would then appear that Kelsey's phone was "dead" or not charged. It would appear that Kelsey traveled to Idaho and disappeared.

 

[MassGuy]

I don't have time to look for it right now, but some other WS-ers might remember, to me it seems like we've seen LE assign custody of a minor child to another relative when they consider the caregiving parent a suspect.

The fact that they haven't makes me wonder what they have or what other theories/involved parties they may know about. If I was LE and thought someone just killed their fiancé, for example, I would petition a judge for a temporary change of custody to reduce the risk of them harming the child as well. But they haven't done that...why?

Right now, there doesn’t appear to be enough evidence to indicate foul play, let alone assign responsibility.

There’s just not enough there (Atleast as far was we are aware) to legally remove that child from the custody of her father.

 

[Jennifer17]

I don't have time to look for it right now, but some other WS-ers might remember, to me it seems like we've seen LE assign custody of a minor child to another relative when they consider the caregiving parent a suspect.

The fact that they haven't makes me wonder what they have or what other theories/involved parties they may know about. If I was LE and thought someone just killed their fiancé, for example, I would petition a judge for a temporary change of custody to reduce the risk of them harming the child as well. But they haven't done that...why?

Someone's fiance being missing would not be enough. LE would have to show the judge that there was a credible danger to the child, I would think.

 

[Deleted member 155000]

Well thought out post, thank you.

But I do wonder about this comment of yours:

"1. People have questioned why the fiancé didn't report her missing."Let's say she had texted to tell him that she was breaking up with him, that she was having a mental breakdown and needed some space, that she had intent to self-harm, that she was running away to pursue some adventure/passion/ex/lover, that she was using some sort of controlled substance and didn't feel safe with the baby, that she was checking into rehab/recovery etc...

Even if any of the above ^^^ was said, why wouldn't he call LE to report her missing? If she said she was having a breakdown, or was feeling suicidal, wouldn't that be an important reason to call LE and call her friends and family, to try and find her quickly?

It's true. Our impression of him changes depending on which possible text we are considering, right?

If he doesn't tell her parents or the police that she's checking into rehab or ran off with another man, that's understandable.
If he doesn't tell her parents or other agencies she's suicidal, we're worried.

And yes, even if we were to learn the contents of the text and it turned out to be 1 of the possibilities I mentioned, that doesn't mean she wrote it...

But just exploring other possibilities. For all we know, there could be some long-term stalker or on-again-off-again childhood sweetheart in the picture, right?

 

[Tranquileyes]

That's if they were still engaged (or if they ever were engaged). For all the world, the way it is described - "exchanging their daughter" - suggests two people that are not in a relationship any longer. That is one of the most basic, fundamental facts that could be cleared up in all of this and yet, no one seems to want to clear this up and explain exactly what the real situation was and I don't understand why that is.

Yep..another good point. Although, other posters have alluded that religion may play a factor In describing the relationship in that way...but at this point, I think it's time to just call it what it is!

 

[Bill Carson]

I wondered that as well. Which is why I asked if anyone knew where these photos on her facebook were taken:
Kelsey Berreth
Kelsey Berreth

( Can anyone link me to one of Kelsey's photo album photos or her profile photo? Not having facebook myself, it's hard to tell if she has much more on there that is public but I can scroll through photos if one is linked from an album. TIA.)

The first one must be home.

 

[alucardsdream]

I'm so confused. At the press conference and in all the articles I read earlier, the welfare check was conducted on Dec 2nd, but now it looks like the articles all say it was Nov 25th. I seriously can't understand what is going on with this case.

 

[liltexans]

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[katydid23]

I hope we get more info soon...

 

[Inthedetails]

Kelsey's mom called police for the welfare check on Nov. 25. They discovered the ping in Idaho and because she's an adult that's why they didn't immediately launch an investigation. They may have believed she was headed to see family. JMO

Kelsey's mom contacted LE on Dec 2. LE conducted a welfare check (called community caretaker search) on Dec 2.

The chief provided these dates at the press conference yesterday:

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[Tranquileyes]

Yes. If one is guilty, that would probably be a bad idea.

If my fiancé were missing, the last thing I would be worried about was incriminating myself.

But that’s me.

Of course.. The case defies all logic and normal reasoning.

 

[MassGuy]

It's true. Our impression of him changes depending on which possible text we are considering, right?

If he doesn't tell her parents or the police that she's checking into rehab or ran off with another man, that's understandable.
If he doesn't tell her parents or other agencies she's suicidal, we're worried.

And yes, even if we were to learn the contents of the text and it turned out to be 1 of the possibilities I mentioned, that doesn't mean she wrote it...

But just exploring other possibilities. For all we know, there could be some long-term stalker or on-again-off-again childhood sweetheart in the picture, right?

I don’t consider the latter possibility a legitimate one here.

Assuming foul play, there was apparently an effort to commit a coverup (ping and text to employer).

This is something only done by someone very close to the victim.

A stalker or random assailant wouldn’t go to those lengths.

 

[Deleted member 155000]

I don’t consider the latter possibility a legitimate one here.

Assuming foul play, there was apparently an effort to commit a coverup (ping and text to employer).

This is something only done by someone very close to the victim.

A stalker or random assailant wouldn’t go to those lengths.

I agree a random assailant wouldn't be likely to go to that length, but someone who'd been in relationship with her in the past or who had long crushed on her might. In theory, anyone who had committed a criminal act would want to make police stop looking for the person...so that they no longer investigated her disappearance...and didn't get closer to solving the case and incriminating them.