CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #20 *ARREST*

[PommyMommy]

Most cases don’t have a 10 day lapse before someone is discovered missing.

That muddied the waters quite a bit.

The fact that they have yet to find her body doesn’t help, nor does the sealing of the arrest warrant.

This case is one big mangled mess.

For us anyway.

I am clinging onto De Young's statement that new information has narrowed down their search. Fingers crossed that they find her soon.

EVERYONE!

@girlhasnoname and @riolove77, feel better soon!

@Gardener1850, I didn't notice the pink shackles but I did see he had on the pink cuffs again.

 

[tictoc]

He's been there all along though and NOT A WORD. I guess now we know why he lawyered up right away.

 

[otto]

I've never been so dumbfounded by a case. Usually, info starts rolling in...esp once there's an arrest. I'm having so much trouble with this one!

It has unfolded. Kelsey was murdered by the father of her 14 month old child. They were unmarried and had never lived together.

On Thanksgiving day, November 22, Kelsey made cinnamon buns, put them on the counter to cool, and made a short trip to the Safeway after asking her mom for a recipe. After she returned home, she vanished. A red truck associated with the father was at her home at the time that she returned from the Safeway.

The father of their child was arrested for not only soliciting others to assist with murdering Kelsey, but also for theft of her property - most likely her cell phone and most likely to give the illusion that she "again" disappeared and was near her mother's house.

He is charged with two counts of murder in order to anticipate all possible defenses. If his defense is that he only meant to steal her phone, and she accidentally died, then he is still guilty of first degree murder. Alternatively, he always intended to murder her. Two charges so that the prosecutor covers all bases regarding possible defenses.

If I had to guess, I think investigators have proof that PF had something to do with the text messages that were sent on November 25.

 

[GordianKnot]

If neighbors did see something and talk, would LE be keeping that info from the public or would we know that?

LE would keep that close to the vest. We the public would find out at trial.
JMO.

 

[Trudie]

I'm thinking nobody saw it. Holiday, people are away or enjoying their company for dinner. I have no idea of a timeline but perhaps LE have already pinned some of this down with cell logs.

Oh, I already know if I tried to wheel a body out of a house, every stray dog in the county would rush me. I am not kidding. If I had a body in my car trunk, I’d get rear ended the first time braked & the trunk would spring open.
I thought about how did he remove her but I guess in the dark it was easier.
When his truck was spotted there, he was parked sideways, iirc. Wonder if that’s normally how he parked? That was daylight hours. Idk if there is ample space for him to pull in straight behind her vehicle, or not. Or, was he blocking the drive intentionally so no one else could pull in?

 

[Trudie]

LE would keep that close to the vest. We the public would find out at trial.
JMO.

The neighbor/s can talk, if they choose.

 

[susiQ]

It has unfolded. Kelsey was murdered by the father of her 14 month old child. They were unmarried and had never lived together.

On Thanksgiving day, November 22, Kelsey made cinnamon buns, put them on the counter to cool, and made a short trip to the Safeway after asking her mom for a recipe. After she returned home, she vanished. A red truck associated with the father was at her home at the time that she returned from the Safeway.

The father of their child was arrested for not only soliciting others to assist with murdering Kelsey, but also for theft of her property - most likely her cell phone and most likely to give the illusion that she "again" disappeared and was near her mother's house.

He is charged with two counts of murder in order to anticipate all possible defenses. If his defense is that he only meant to steal her phone, and she accidentally died, then he is still guilty of first degree murder. Alternatively, he always intended to murder her. Two charges so that the prosecutor covers all bases regarding possible defenses.

If I had to guess, I think investigators have proof that PF had something to do with the text messages that were sent on November 25.

Nice synopsis!

 

[tictoc]

Oh, I already know if I tried to wheel a body out of a house, every stray dog in the county would rush me. I am not kidding. If I had a body in my car trunk, I’d get rear ended the first time braked & the trunk would spring open.
I thought about how did he remove her but I guess in the dark it was easier.
When his truck was spotted there, he was parked sideways, iirc. Wonder if that’s normally how he parked? That was daylight hours. Idk if there is ample space for him to pull in straight behind her vehicle, or not. Or, was he blocking the drive intentionally so no one else could pull in?

The first part of this really made me laugh!

 

[otto]

Most cases don’t have a 10 day lapse before someone is discovered missing.

That muddied the waters quite a bit.

The fact that they have yet to find her body doesn’t help, nor does the sealing of the arrest warrant.

This case is one big mangled mess.

For us anyway.

I don't see it as tangled. Police have made an arrest, they've covered their bases for the prosecution and they have enough evidence to proceed with 5 charges. Nothing is muddy. Three contacts related to her murder were made prior to the murder, and, regardless of whether she died intentionally or accidentally, if PF had anything to do with it, such as the possession of her phone, he is guilty of 1st degree murder.

A criminal trial can proceed without a body. Perhaps there is so much blood at the crime scene (her home) that it can be concluded that she is deceased. Something about the last search at her home resulted in the conclusion that she is no longer alive.

Sealing the warrant protects witnesses.

 

[Concernedmamaof3]

Oh, I already know if I tried to wheel a body out of a house, every stray dog in the county would rush me. I am not kidding. If I had a body in my car trunk, I’d get rear ended the first time braked & the trunk would spring open.
I thought about how did he remove her but I guess in the dark it was easier.
When his truck was spotted there, he was parked sideways, iirc. Wonder if that’s normally how he parked? That was daylight hours. Idk if there is ample space for him to pull in straight behind her vehicle, or not. Or, was he blocking the drive intentionally so no one else could pull in?

Pictures were posted yesterday (Sunday) of the front of her house/parking. If he parked blocking her cars, it would limit the view of anyone going by.

 

[MassGuy]

I don't see it as tangled. Police have made an arrest, they've covered their bases for the prosecution and they have enough evidence to proceed with 5 charges. Nothing is muddy. Three contacts related to her murder were made prior to the murder, and, regardless of whether she died intentionally or accidentally, if PF had anything to do with it, such as the possession of her phone, he is guilty of 1st degree murder.

A criminal trial can proceed without a body. Perhaps there is so much blood at the crime scene (her home) that it can be concluded that she is deceased. Something about the last search at her home resulted in the conclusion that she is no longer alive.

Sealing the warrant protects witnesses.

I meant for us. I have no doubt that authorities are on top of things, and have strong evidence here.

His quick arrest without a body, is evidence of this.

For our purposes though, there are tons of unanswered questions, ones that we will likely have to wait for answers to.

 

[otto]

Ot...but just on page one of the “Missing” forum, there are 7 people missing either elderly and/or with disabilities of some sort...so many.

All in the same place, of all over the country?

 

[GordianKnot]

The neighbor/s can talk, if they choose.

Neighbors absolutely can talk, but if any neighbors are in fact material witnesses, IMO, they will have been asked/strongly encouraged by officials not to speak about the case publicly before the trial.

 

[susiQ]

Oh, I already know if I tried to wheel a body out of a house, every stray dog in the county would rush me. I am not kidding. If I had a body in my car trunk, I’d get rear ended the first time braked & the trunk would spring open.
I thought about how did he remove her but I guess in the dark it was easier.
When his truck was spotted there, he was parked sideways, iirc. Wonder if that’s normally how he parked? That was daylight hours. Idk if there is ample space for him to pull in straight behind her vehicle, or not. Or, was he blocking the drive intentionally so no one else could pull in?

I'm wondering how long he was there. I don't know what it's like in CO around the 22 Nov., but where I live it's dark by around 5:30 p.m.
Anyway, my theory is just that. It may have happened quite differently than what I imagine.

 

[MassGuy]

I'm wondering how long he was there. I don't know what it's like in CO around the 22 Nov., but where I live it's dark by around 5:30 p.m.
Anyway, my theory is just that. It may have happened quite differently than what I imagine.

Sunset in Colorado on November 22, was 4:40 pm.

 

[otto]

LE would keep that close to the vest. We the public would find out at trial.
JMO.

If there are witnesses, they would be read the riot act about remaining silent in order to protect the integrity of the investigation. They would be allowed to talk to family and counselling services, and that's it.

 

[katydid23]

That appears to be standard legal language, and not indicative of him actually serving in the military.

He has no military addresses on file, no one mentioning military service, and no media reports to that effect.

YES, to all the above.

And seriously, if he was trained as Special Ops ---this wouldn't have been such a ham-handed, botched operation. JMO

If he was Special Ops, he wouldn't have talked about it 3x to others, and asked for help. And that bumbling Idaho phony text wouldn't have happened.

 

[Didyouhearme]

I am new to post but lurk often. So I hope I get this post correct never mind content! I believe he killed her she wanted him to leave his mother. If he killed her, that leaves his mom w the baby and the baby inherits her money now. So the child is probably worth at least moms estate and life insurance. (As a pilot) I don't believe for one minute he loves the baby. It's the money.

The charges say robbery. I think he stole her ring. That engagement ring I saw in one of her pics was a beautiful size! I am thinking they found her ring on him. Or with him. Maybe he pawned it. The charges also say three counts of solicitation. It would make sense that he approached someone to harm her, they refused but took the phone from him and sent the texts.
I believe she was killed over those cinnamon rolls. I would wonder if there is blood or DNA in them. What farm boy do you know leaves fresh roles ? Doesn't happen.
Sort of sloppy leaving evidence around when he had all sorts of time to get rid of it.
To me, he looks frightened now. Earlier he appeared almost cocky. I d o love love our FBI and the work they are turning out. That phones data is with them. Thank you for letting me post. I love reading the posts of you who are seasoned.

 

[Tranquileyes]

Do people really have “friends”who would haul a dead mother of a baby out of town and dispose of her body? I really must be naive about people in general. Every one of these cases boggles my mind. I cannot understand PF or even his family member doing this...but a friend of his?!

I do hope he did this by himself!

In Debbie Flores-Narvaez's case, her killer's roommate helped hide her body for over one month in different locations including "holding her leg" while the killer dismembered her after the fact. He did not serve jail time and received immunity in exchange for his testimony against her killer. So, sadly... there are people who would. However, his conscience ate him up so badly that he is the reason she was eventually found. If there was anyone who aided with disposal of KB's body, I surely hope they come clean about where she is. Families deserve closure. The thought of a loved one being missing forever is cruel.

 

[otto]

I meant for us. I have no doubt that authorities are on top of things, and have strong evidence here.

His quick arrest without a body, is evidence of this.

For our purposes though, there are tons of unanswered questions, ones that we will likely have to wait for answers to.

After Michelle Young (NC) was murdered, we all had questions. Eventually we learned that Michelle's teeth were avulsed. I'd never heard the word before, the notion that someone is hit so hard in the back of the head that their teeth are sent flying across the room.

We do have questions, but the story of what happened is not a mystery.