CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #20 *ARREST*

[Charlot123]

A question about cinnamon buns. Hopefully self-disclosure is not against the TOS - I actively dislike them so I understand PF’s actions.

Imagine that PF, too, disliked them. What does one normally do with leftover baked goods? One might eat them, take them home, put them into a refrigerator - all of it suits cinnamon buns connoisseurs.
But for people not liking them, and knowing the main consumer is not going to come home, one might throw them out, which would look suspicious, or merely leave them on the counter, which is exactly what PF did.

 

[Charlot123]

Lol. The Twitter and social media sites regarding ID.

Really fine joke!

 

[GordianKnot]

No connection...all over...just sad.

Yes, clu, it's concerning to read the "Silver Alerts" or notice "Dementia" mentioned in the thread title, especially at this time of year, when you have to worry about people wandering outside in cold temps, hypothermia, etc.

OTOH, in a way, I feel more hopeful that those people who are missing d/t being lost will be located safely vs. the disappearances that appear much more likely to be due to foul play, for example the threads where it's a pregnant 20-something-year-old who has gone missing.

 

[Charlot123]

DNA is just circumstantial evidence alongside all the other circumstantial evidence. Some cases are made on DNA evidence alone, and others are common sense based on the rest of the circumstantial evidence.

A very true, very generalized statement.

 

[Concernedmamaof3]

I have wondered if there was significance in the townhome. Perhaps it was a symbol of "I'm moving on. Done waiting on you to make a commitment...done waiting on you to grow up!

I don’t put too much stock into the home purchase. We don’t know enough of the circumstances. It’s possible her previous lease was up or she might have been looking for a place to buy for months before this one came up.

I will also throw in that it could be related to baby K. At around 6-7 months babies start getting more mobile. It can make some parents start thinking more about baby proofing and space you will need in the future. This would be around April/May for baby K and may have triggered KB to look for something with a more open floor plan or bigger.

 

[LAHOLLA]

Yeah, it doesn’t work like that.

We’d know if he served.

He doesn’t seem the type anyways.

Completely agree. I just don’t see it.

 

[JulieAnne]

If he was actively seeking a killer in September, then I think the townhouse purchase may have been a trigger?

If when she bought in May, it was a “make-do” purchase “until the cattle prices went up” (or was it down?)... Could she have expected him to move in there? And over the summer, it appears he did not. Like many have said - the tales he was telling may have been getting tough to weave.

I think the motive was just his desire to be his own boss. Foot loose and fancy free.

I see nothing to indicate that he cared a bit about the baby. I also think if he hated the baby, she wouldn’t be here anymore. I don’t think he saw her as either an asset or a liability. MOO

 

[LAHOLLA]

Agree. I think he’s disheveled and a mix of angry and scared.

I don’t see any military bearing.

I also see his silence as more petulance than training.

 

[Savmom]

Yeah, the implication has always been that her cellphone sent those text messages.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cb...-moms-cell-phone-days-after-she-went-missing/

Thank you for the link ! I've seen it mentioned in tons of articles but I have yet to find anything that conclusively states one way or another with absolutely certainty they were sent from her phone, just this taken from your link while several other MSM articles just hint that texts were sent from her phone:

That same day, two text messages were apparently sent from the device

I don't know why this is nagging at me the last few days but I am wondering if they know without a shadow of a doubt that her phones were the originating point for the texts.

Probably nothing but my mind working overtime...however, I am MOST curious what that text to PF's cell phone said

 

[enelram]

Happy First Day of 2019 everyone!!!!

Lots of good discussion overnight from our great members.

Just pondering- PF, being a confident, free-wheelin', single
guy probably had it easy meeting females. No problem
finding young women willing to romp in the hay with him.

My guess is he had/has many shallow, sexual encounters
and not all those females are totally out of his life.
Booty Calls, if you will. Guys like him have a few at all times.

Just wondering if one of these past booty calls helped him out
with KB's phone and/or solicitation. Food for thought.

 

[Vaccine]

It strikes me as very sad that things went wrong early in the relationship. If they only met via online dating in 2016, by January 2017 she was pregnant and the baby was born in October 2017. Within 11 months of the baby's birth PF was soliciting people to murder her - and he did so 3 times?

It suggests that getting pregnant happened way too soon before they had really got to know each other properly and that having the baby was what sealed Kelsey's fate. Otherwise there would have been no reason to kill her. They could both have walked away. Sorry - of course, I believe both could have walked away anyway - there was no need to murder her - and maybe she was planning to do so and he couldn't stomach that.

The points that strike me are:
- why solicit someone to kill her - hugely risky, and to attempt it 3 times? Have I understood that correctly? If so, that's mad. The chances of being found out were ridiculous once he involved others.
- the motive was either child custody - to prevent the baby being taken out of state or financial, to get some life insurance
- I think a girlfriend was involved and potentially took the phone to ID to help cover up and buy time with a story that she'd left - but surely her car and truck not having left her property were huge hindrances to that story - as well as the cinnamon buns? (Which by the way, I think might have still been in the oven or left cooling in a cold oven, which could be why he overlooked them).
- but if a girlfriend (or other person) took the purse and phone to Idaho - does that mean they were involved in her death - or where were they when she was killed? Since no one else has been charged it suggests not, but its rather odd to thing this person was just hanging around or available to take it there. At least some collusion and calpability for being involved.
- I think he must have done a very good clear up job and I'm imagining the only evidence the LE have right now is a small bit of DNA for the consumptive tests, text or phone records, the purse and phone plus a witness (or three) who were solicited. However, the lack of DNA suggests a non-bloody death maybe? For example, strangling or blows, rather than a gun or knife?

I am so sorry for Kelsey, for her little child and for her family. JMO - apologies if I've misunderstood anything or made too many assumptions.

 

[zecats]

If neighbors did see something and talk, would LE be keeping that info from the public or would we know that?

Perhaps this is the (or one of the) witnesses LE wishes to protect with the sealed warrant.

 

[zecats]

If there are witnesses, they would be read the riot act about remaining silent in order to protect the integrity of the investigation. They would be allowed to talk to family and counselling services, and that's it.

And if these witnesses are included in those being protected from potential danger, why would they talk to anyone?

 

[zecats]

But why not get rid of the rolls?! If he went back?!

Why bother. If robbery was planned and murder included to look like a result of the robbery, why hide or change anything in her condo? Rolls out, shopping done, looks like typical holiday activities and "random" crime happens to her. jmo

 

[Beagle]

Why bother. If robbery was planned and murder included to look like a result of the robbery, why hide or change anything in her condo? Rolls out, shopping done, looks like typical holiday activities and "random" crime happens to her. jmo

Curious one theory maybe during a robbery ...... I don't think it was likely ....... how many robbers who kill while robbing and then would remove the body and then hide it so well????

Maybe I wrong here with my thinking but don't robbers usually go into a place to rob not murder. If they were surprised and it was accidently wouldn't they just run????

 

[Charlot123]

Happy First Day of 2019 everyone!!!!

Lots of good discussion overnight from our great members.

Just pondering- PF, being a confident, free-wheelin', single
guy probably had it easy meeting females. No problem
finding young women willing to romp in the hay with him.

My guess is he had/has many shallow, sexual encounters
and not all those females are totally out of his life.
Booty Calls, if you will. Guys like him have a few at all times.

Just wondering if one of these past booty calls helped him out
with KB's phone and/or solicitation. Food for thought.

Well, a shallow sexual encounter would not risk for him. Maybe someone who really had feelings.

I see him as free-wheeling and single, but by far not overconfident, rather, the opposite. I can't define his problem, but to me, that permanently red skin looks almost like butterfly rash. I am wondering if his issues are way deeper than narcissism.

 

[susiQ]

They did release the property sooner than expected, and then that crater they dug that revealed nothing.

We don't know that really, do we?

 

[susiQ]

Susi

Susi, I see you've known a Narc or two. Great description. When they realize you see beneath the mask, they despise you. Because she was so successful and goal oriented and he was a dud, I think he felt belittled in her sight which made him hate her even more.

Yes, NanZDrew, I agree 100%.

 

[InvSmith]

Thank you for the link ! I've seen it mentioned in tons of articles but I have yet to find anything that conclusively states one way or another with absolutely certainty they were sent from her phone, just this taken from your link while several other MSM articles just hint that texts were sent from her phone:

That same day, two text messages were apparently sent from the device

I don't know why this is nagging at me the last few days but I am wondering if they know without a shadow of a doubt that her phones were the originating point for the texts.

Probably nothing but my mind working overtime...however, I am MOST curious what that text to PF's cell phone said

Yes, LE has stated her phone sent two messages after 11/22. Her phone pinged in Gooding, Idaho and it has been physically located 40 to 50 miles from Gooding. The phone was physically transported there not mailed or remote application used.

 

[1mtroyal]

Acreages and hobby farms do have burning barrels and incinerators. Teeth sometimes survive the high heat.

Why didn't he burn his trash instead of taking it to the dump?