CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #20 *ARREST*

[NanZDrew]

My husband just said that probably the reason he took her everywhere was because she was a 'babe magnet.' It's like taking a puppy with you, all the women will stop and say AWWWWW....gives him a chance to hit on them.

You have a smart husband. Also, we know that people would say that he was a good father. His storyline was that he was the primary caregiver and that the mom worked all the time. Carrying her around also supported this narrative.

 

[SharonNeedles]

Why would witnesses feel so threatened if PF is behind bars? Because he can order another hit? Because people he know will intimidate and retaliate? Because he might not be in jail long and will go after them himself?

I'm not really seeing why a witness in this particular case would need to go into a protection program. I can totally understand a witness going into voluntary seclusion to avoid the press and gossip...but to go into an official police protection program? Is PF that powerful? IDK about that.

JMOpinion

Exactly. This isn’t the Sopranos.

 

[Loulu]

I think they broke up a year ago today just as much as I think CW and SW were "finalizing their divorce". This guy just wants to distance himself from her and justify not reporting her missing or helping to look for her. Of COURSE he told his friends and coworkers that. We already know he'd been planning this for some time so that went into it.

ETA JMO

Telling others that would also allow him to carry on life as an unattached single man without being questioned by those who knew him.

 

[NanZDrew]

It may not make any difference but you can hit a card more than once or use more than one for a larger sum. Years ago I think many cards you could hit 2 or 3 times before they would put a halt on it to be sure it was you. Even if you can't you just access a different one if you have more than one.

I am curious if she just needed something for her cinnamon rolls (for icing perhaps?) so it was a quick trip to the store or perhaps some coffee? Was she having people over? Or was she buying things for a Thanksgiving meal? Or as surmised, there to access some cash? I have only seen a video of entry, none of her at the register, in the store, nor leaving, nor in the parking lot. She also could have simply ran for some diapers. Her mother I am sure knows her well but with a one year old child and needing something in a pinch/hurry, I am not sure I would do my hair first...

She had her hair in a very neat bun. I thought it looked pretty. I like to put my hair up when I am in the kitchen so that it is not flying around and getting in the food.

 

[The Night Watchman]

How does LE know there was a robbery involved if PF is not
talking? Wasn't it said earlier by one of our verified attys. that
it had to be robbery BY FORCE to the victim BEFORE she was
killed?
Seems to me an accomplice was there and told LE about the robbery. this accomplice may be one of snitches, IMO.

So what was she robbed of? Money? Jewelry? ATM card?

Anyone else think PF could be caught up in drugs and needed
money or a fix?

BBM.

No. LE believes that KB was killed in her condo, and her body was removed. This is murder.

Her purse and phone were also taken. This is robbery.

Murder >>> Robbery.

I think it is as simple as LE could file the additional charge of robbery, which actually occurred. I would be surprised if there was an attempted robbery of any sort for monetary gain. There would be other items a junkie would take. The purse and phone were probably just tools to sell a story. And it doesn't appear to be a very well thought out story.

When he facts come out, I think PF will look a like a bungling fool, and well as a monster. This is consistent with the very quick arrest in a case where there is no body. Maybe unprecedented speed?

December 2nd- LE notified. Unsure if this is a missing person case.
December 14th- search warrant; LE has enough information implicating PF.
December 21st- arrest.

 

[MassGuy]

Personally, I don’t believe that any witnesses are truly in danger here, although we aren’t privy to what law enforcement and the prosecution knows.

This isn’t your standard murder case, as it involves atleast one other person, and likely more than that.

That’s not to say that there’s a large number of people who were intimately involved here, or who did something criminal.

It appears that they are taking no chances though, until they identify all the players and the nature of their involvement in this crime.

Perhaps they executed his arrest so quickly, because of a perceived danger to other people.

The secrecy at this point may simply be a continuation of that.

 

[enelram]

Regarding witness(es) being in danger- maybe PF already
addressed this by threatening those witnesses that if they
ever talked he would have someone come after them.
There's good reasons why witnesses are reluctant to come forward;
intimidation by the accused is just one.

 

[Mom24]

Exactly. This isn’t the Sopranos.

Depends on who the witness is, though. We've all assumed it was the person he solicited, or someone who helped him in some fashion either by killing her or by cleaning up. But it may be someone closer to him, a family member or a client or someone close to Kelsey. We've also assumed that the only solicitation for murder was for Kelsey, maybe it wasn't, maybe he had others he wanted gone too. JMO, but I really do believe there is so much more to this story.

 

[Mom24]

Regarding witness(es) being in danger- maybe PF already
addressed this by threatening those witnesses that if they
ever talked he would have someone come after them.
There's good reasons why witnesses are reluctant to come forward;
intimidation by the accused is just one.

I'm not sure, but I think there would have been a charge of witness tampering if that were the case. MO is that whoever is giving LE information is someone close to him.

 

[Jessthinkin]

She had her hair in a very neat bun. I thought it looked pretty. I like to put my hair up when I am in the kitchen so that it is not flying around and getting in the food.

Agree! I thought she looked tidy and put together on her way into Safeway. Caring for a toddler while alone is in many ways more difficult than caring for an infant. I remember being alone in the house with a toddler, and unless they were asleep, trying to take even a very short shower, etc. was nearly impossible. Under those circumstances, clean, perhaps wet hair, swept up into a bun is about the best you can do!

 

[tmar]

I can't figure out how the initial LE search of KB's condo turned up no evidence of foul play. And the second search did. This doesn't compute to me.

We know that LE found evidence and took items from the condo during the second search. What? There is speculation of blood or matter related to violence.

The we hear the shocking charges of solicitation to murder soon after.

Maybe the evidence in the second condo search was not directly related to violence and body fluids. It could be evidence that the person that was solicited only knew about. The guy that was talking and implicating PF.

Possibly they have hard evidence on this guy and he provided specific information for the second condo search. Possibly a location within the house where there is evidence of his actions, or where he left his own DNA- proving he was at a crime scene.

In a condo he would never be in, unless he was committing a crime.

Murder.

Perhaps the person solicitored, although was not involved in the murder, was able to describe Kelsey's home, in detail: specific items, locations.
This person may have been involved in the robbery, in some way, and not in the murder.
MOO.

 

[InvSmith]

How does LE know there was a robbery involved if PF is not
talking? Wasn't it said earlier by one of our verified attys. that
it had to be robbery BY FORCE to the victim BEFORE she was
killed?
Seems to me an accomplice was there and told LE about the robbery. this accomplice may be one of snitches, IMO.

So what was she robbed of? Money? Jewelry? ATM card?

Anyone else think PF could be caught up in drugs and needed
money or a fix?

Taking her phone and credit cards at minimum is robbery. I think this is an enhancement to place the death penalty on the table (murder in commission of a felony) obviously the intent was murder; however, PF (and all [most]) know they stand a really good chance of getting caught and losing their freedom. So, why do it? 1. He is psychopathic? 2. Something else is driving the commission of murder? So, he kills her to lose his freedom? This is planned and appears methodical from what we have been told. By all appearances, irregardless, of children love sex, money, and drugs, we have a person that is not thinking or functioning within normal mental emotion. He is not insane. He is just not alive.

 

[Jessthinkin]

<modsnipped quoted post>
So true! And what distinguishes these from "personal stories" is that it has been suggested there was something amiss that morning with KB, based on her appearance, and I was thinking she looked put together and perky, despite her busy morning, cooking, etc. and being alone with a toddler.

 

[MassGuy]

Taking her phone and credit cards at minimum is robbery. I think this is an enhancement to place the death penalty on the table (murder in commission of a felony) obviously the intent was murder; however, PF (and all [most]) know they stand a really good chance of getting caught and losing their freedom. So, why do it? 1. He is psychopathic? 2. Something else is driving the commission of murder? So, he kills her to lose his freedom? This is planned and appears methodical from what we have been told. By all appearances, irregardless, of children love sex, money, and drugs, we have a person that is not thinking or functioning within normal mental emotion. He is not insane. He is just not alive.

Unfortunately, there are many more like him.

He is more the norm, than an aberration.

We always find ourselves asking the same questions with these people:

Why did he do it?

How the hell did he expect to get away with it?

 

[InvSmith]

The purse

But the crime scene didn’t look like a robbery initially?

The purse and phone were gone from the start with cars there. I think the clue was the failure of not reporting her missing on his behalf. I do not think anyone of us knew what they had but the cell and computer files would have helped them verily quickly because reportedly PF turned a phone over voluntarily. I hope known of our hearts can go to robbery of your love one from the outside looking in. Just terrible!

 

[tmar]

Based on what we’ve learned from the press conferences, I am fairly confident they have enough physical evidence taken from KB’s home. I don’t believe they would have announced that she was murdered in her house unless they had evidence to back it up. I also believe they have digital proof from the phone. So many of these murderers are not as smart as they think they are ... their arrogance never ceases to amaze me. I can’t wait to see the case unfold so we can learn all his missteps.

I am sure the look on PF's face will alter, when evidence is revealed, and it will be so obvious how stupid his plan had been.
The guy will be exposed in public and that will surely affect him.
MOO.

 

[Esma]

Regarding witness(es) being in danger- maybe PF already
addressed this by threatening those witnesses that if they
ever talked he would have someone come after them.
There's good reasons why witnesses are reluctant to come forward;
intimidation by the accused is just one.

Maybe the witnesses are in danger from the unknown 3rd party (not PF) if they are helping LE get him. I wonder if LE knows who the person is but can't find him?

 

[Elley Mae]

Just a thought. Has It been verified that the red truck parked behind KB’s vehicles belonged to PF?

 

[Jessthinkin]

Maybe the witnesses are in danger from the unknown 3rd party (not PF) if they are helping LE get him. I wonder if LE knows who the person is but can't find him?

^^This! ^^
It's crossed my mind that if PF solicited 3 different people (possible) and each of those people told one other person about it, that's 6 people who know the plan...it's possible no one ended up helping PF, but if even only one of the "solicited murderers" did help PF, then that's 5 "loose ends" that PF and any helpers he had could seek to tamper with/intimidate/threaten/hurt/eliminate...

 

[InvSmith]

Unfortunately, there are many more like him.

He is more the norm, than an aberration.

We always find ourselves asking the same questions with these people:

Why did he do it?

How the hell did he expect to get away with it?

I pray he is not the norm. I think we feel like it because we investigate these individuals and cases. For the life in me, I cannot understand. Why they think they will get away with it? In criminology, we study that most criminals know at some point they will get caught. The more people you tell the more your chances increase. They do not want the responsibility. They think others think like them. They are convincing. They seem like a real person but they aren't. They mirror emotions and it is tiring. Someone interferes with their multiple lives and has to go before they are exposed. I don't think any of us will ever be able to rationally understand this type of brutality at least I hope not.