CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #20 *ARREST*

[Aydrianna523]

Two months after I had my baby I went to work with a different sandal on each foot. (They were slip-ons and it was dark that morning)

I think mothers of young children often morph into very casual attire even if at one time they were a fashionista. But Kelsey's mom would know better than me.

 

[1&2&3]

How many of us have friends whose spouse or significant other has this hidden temper? Call it what you may, you know what they are living with and they won’t admit it.

They are in all socioeconomic classes. Their peers would never believe it or the loved one telling about it.

Fortunately, the majority of them do not go to the extreme of murder or annihilation of their family. The terror and mental abuse this person lives in 24 hours daily is he77 on earth.

IMO, KB had quickly seen through PF’s charming side. However, she had already relocated and was pregnant. What was she to do? As most mothers-to-be would do, she prayed things would get better and work out with PF.

Sadly, PF was one of the nut cases who went too far believing he would never be tied to her murder.

 

[allboys]

Agree, and I wasn't criticizing CB, far from it.....my opinion of her couldn't be any higher..... my observation that a busy morning, alone with a toddler, could result in a low maintenance hairdo was in response to comments here that suggested that KB's hair in a bun, in and of itself, meant something untoward....

I didn’t take your comments as criticism of CB at all. I was just using your quote about her hair to undo my own damage by originally bringing up CB’s comment about Kelsey’s hair again in my own previous post wondering if she might have been withdrawing money at the ATM at Safeway. Lol.

I don’t think her hair style was relevant. I only mentioned it because IF there had been any truth to CB’s comment, it worked with my perp demanded Kelsey make a cash withdrawal at Safeway theory (suggesting the trip to Safeway was not planned by Kelsey...she had not done her hair as her mom said she normally does before planned errands).

But I regret making the comment now, because the hair bun topic, much like the cinnamon bun topic, seems to take on a life of its own...

 

[Love Never Fails]

I do not believe this murder had anything to do with robbery, other than him taking her phone and purse. But whatever charges the LE, CBI or FBI can come up with, more power to them.

 

[Snow Flower]

Makes you wonder what kind of friends PF has. One guy talking about how quiet he was. A woman who says he thought the cops were railroading him. Then....he knew people he could trust enough to know someone who might kill KB. How many people know someone they could ask that of? Very few would be my guess.

 

[Irmese]

We really don't know who was 'dependent on who' here.
Maybe PF was so immature and irresponsible that he didn't want to leave the nest. Maybe all his discretionary income he could
spend on himself and momma paid the bills, utilities, groceries.
At her age and with her physical problems she may have liked
the security of his still living there. We just don't know.
Could be a bit of both though.

True, might be a symbiotic relationship. He lives off of her, she needs him.

 

[Jessthinkin]

I think mothers of young children often morph into very casual attire even if at one time they were a fashionista. But Kelsey's mom would know better than me.

I bet when KB's mom was around visiting, etc., it gave KB a chance, with another adult there to help watch the baby, to take more time with her hair, etc, to get it the way we see in the posted pictures of her.

 

[kay74]

Makes you wonder what kind of friends PF has. One guy talking about how quiet he was. A woman who says he thought the cops were railroading him. Then....he knew people he could trust enough to know someone who might kill KB. How many people know someone they could ask that of? Very few would be my guess.

CW was quiet too.

 

[kay74]

Okay, let's just cut through the relationship fog. If they broke up on New Years Day last year or they broke up on Thanksgiving Day or they never broke up, the fact is he solicited someone to kill her months before she was finally murdered. I don't care if he broke up with her a year ago, 3mos ago, or if they were never a couple. She went missing and not once did he meet with police to give them any insight into what may have happened, especially telling since he was the last person to have seen her. He never once put her picture out there asking his friends or his community to look for her. He did, however, have time to whine to people about how the police were bothering him (so apparently he isn't mute). And we find out he solicited someone to murder her for months. And yet, this man who states to friends he broke up with her a year ago, was the only one aside from her employer who received a text? So he wants me to believe he's just so far removed from her that he had no reason to report her missing, but yet so close that he was the only other person she texted when she disappeared? His friends and clients may be that stupid, but I'm not.
Editing to add: remember through his attorney, Frazee said that the relationship had had it's ups and downs but it was a good relationship. More evidence of Frazee's conflicting stories.

PF is lying. This is BS. Her aunt said she broke up with him the night before thanksgiving. Enough said.

 

[kay74]

Actually there's at least three:
1. he told T that they broke up 1/2018
2. he told someone that then told KB's aunt that they broke up on 11/22/2018
3. through his attorney, he stated the relationship was good

WOW! Lol Which is it?

 

[haven71]

Talk of “making it look like a robbery” is really the exact opposite of what we know, isn’t it? One of the charges is based on murder during the course of a robbery, not “making it look like” a robbery. The theory, right or wrong, is that there was a robbery. And if there really was a robbery, we know that it wasn’t immediately apparent.

There was a robbery all right.

What he took was her life. While he was taking her life, she was killed.

Makes sense to me!

 

[Mom24]

WOW! Lol Which is it?

Apparently whichever one works for the story he's concocted at the moment. What's even more interesting is that even his close friends didn't know there were any relationships issues until 2 days before his arrest. He's trying to be a chameleon, but the town is too small for that kind of nonsense.

 

[Scoutce]

Maybe they had been broken up for a while and by the end of August, he was certain she would move eventually and he would have child support payments. Maybe in his antisocial, no conscience mind, killing her was better than paying support. Maybe it was not about custody or his mom. Maybe he couldn’t fathom he would have to support a child financially, as he didn’t fully support himself. Maybe he couldn’t fathom he would be caught or that murder was an unreasonable option. He certainly meets the criteria for Antisocial personality. MMO

Edited for grammar

 

[haven71]

WOW! Lol Which is it?

According to an article in People, some relatives said Kelsey broke up with him weeks prior to her disappearance.

I’ll go find the link...

ETA: Fiancé of Missing Colo. Mom Charged with Murder as Authorities Allege He May Have Sought Help

Questions linger about the exact status of the couple’s relationship, with relatives saying Berreth had called off the engagement weeks before she went missing. Others have stated the couple split the day of the killing.

 

[1mtroyal]

I wonder what the norm was for taking care of the child. Did PF have the child mostly Monday thru Friday or did PF return the child to Kelsey when she got home Monday night, Tuesday night, Wednesday night, etc and pick her up Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday mornings, etc. Seems like a lot of transferring and transporting the child around from Kelsey's to PF's.

 

[cluciano63]

According to an article in People, some relatives said Kelsey broke up with him weeks prior to her disappearance.

I’ll go find the link...

ETA: Fiancé of Missing Colo. Mom Charged with Murder as Authorities Allege He May Have Sought Help

Questions linger about the exact status of the couple’s relationship, with relatives saying Berreth had called off the engagement weeks before she went missing. Others have stated the couple split the day of the killing.

People mag tends to pull bits of other reports and not always accurate bits.

I think her aunt is the only one in her family who said they broke up,but in the context she said, it sounded like it came from PF as she also mentioned for truckers to watch out for Kelsey, who might be on her way to WA...

 

[jewelsmac]

My understanding is that these charges require prosecutors to prove the robbery occurred FIRST. Meaning they must have some proof PF didn’t murder KB and then steal her phone/purse.

Robbery would indicate items were taken from her directly, otherwise it would be burglary I believe. People are robbed, houses are burglarized. One of the first things they teach you in dispatch school.

 

[haven71]

People mag tends to pull bits of other reports and not always accurate bits.

I think her aunt is the only one in her family who said they broke up,but in the context she said, it sounded like it came from PF as she also mentioned for truckers to watch out for Kelsey, who might be on her way to WA...

Did People snag this from other msm reports? This is just the first time I’ve heard an actual timeframe of weeks before. I’ve only heard it was the day before Thanksgiving, or on Thanksgiving Day. Did the aunt say it was “weeks before”?

Not trying to further muddy the waters, just wondering because People makes it sound like more than one relative have the timeframe of weeks before. I hadn’t heard that yet specifically.

 

[NanZDrew]

I didn’t take your comments as criticism of CB at all. I was just using your quote about her hair to undo my own damage by originally bringing up CB’s comment about Kelsey’s hair again in my own previous post wondering if she might have been withdrawing money at the ATM at Safeway. Lol.

I don’t think her hair style was relevant. I only mentioned it because IF there had been any truth to CB’s comment, it worked with my perp demanded Kelsey make a cash withdrawal at Safeway theory (suggesting the trip to Safeway was not planned by Kelsey...she had not done her hair as her mom said she normally does before planned errands).

But I regret making the comment now, because the hair bun topic, much like the cinnamon bun topic, seems to take on a life of its own...

Gotta watch those BUNS!

 

[chihuahua]

Where the heck is Kelsey?
Frazee did someone help you?
Murder charges filed against man in case of missing Colorado mom - CNN
"Frazee appeared in Teller County Court on Monday morning. He was charged with two counts of first-degree murder and three counts of solicitation to commit murder in the first degree, District Attorney Dan May said."
"Prosecutors filed two murder charges because they have different theories. One is that he acted alone to kill Berreth, the other says he alone or with other people killed her during a robbery."
"The three solicitation charges refer to soliciting the murder in three separate incidents. It could mean he allegedly solicited the same person three times or three people on different occasions."
This has already been discussed, so excuse me for re-posting it.
I am so disgusted by this entire situation...Still reading, watching and waiting for Justice for Kelsey Berreth.
jmo
Chi