CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #20 *ARREST*

[Mom24]

It really makes me wonder if he used past conversations with family in law enforcement as a way to formulate some of his plan. I’d be curious about murder cases family members may have worked on to see if that could give ideas.

It might be worth a look to see what other murders have happened in the Teller County area that might have given him some ideas.

 

[Gardener1850]

Holy crap, that’s a hell of a lot of work.

I think it’s safe to say you didn’t miss anything, and with a list that extensive, I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised if you included things that haven’t happened yet.

No one has an excuse for not knowing this case inside and out now.

LOL. Hopefully nothing that hasn't happened yet is included (with the exception of future court dates). I didn't even do a detailed timeline of events, since Tippy Lynn has been doing that.

 

[Gardener1850]

I had read that too, and I don't mean to single you out, but does anyone have proof of that? Where did that come from?

Aha, you found something I didn't have in my list of info. I believe it was her brother who said it. Back in a minute with a link.

ETA: Pommy beat me to it see her post below.

 

[PommyMommy]

I had read that too, and I don't mean to single you out, but does anyone have proof of that? Where did that come from?

It came from her brother's Facebook post shown at 1:20 in this video.


Colorado mom missing since Thanksgiving

ETA: Sorry @Gardener1850, we must have been posting at the same time!

 

[Concernedmamaof3]

I had read that too, and I don't mean to single you out, but does anyone have proof of that? Where did that come from?

Trying to look now, but having trouble. Reporting is so all over the place in this case. One article even stated rolls were IN the oven!

ETA- Gardener and PommyMommy to the rescue!

 

[Herat]

If they had really broken up in January 2018, why didn't KB move closer to her work in Pueblo, CO with her daughter? Even moving to Colorado Springs would have been a better commute.

She had 3 hours of driving every weekday for her job, probably longer in the winter. Then she has to drop off and pick up her daughter every day. Add in the aggravation factor there.

She could certainly have done it legally and given herself a better lifestyle, maybe found someone to date.

I cant imagine being around PF was particularly nice if they were no longer romantically involved, and it's not like he's a fine upstanding citizen.

I'd want to have moved away from him and started anew.

 

[Mom24]

Trying to look now, but having trouble. Reporting is so all over the place in this case. One article even stated rolls were IN the oven!

S'okay. Pommy and Gardener were on it. Her brother said it.

 

[Mom24]

If they had really broken up in January 2018, why didn't KB move closer to her work in Pueblo, CO with her daughter? Even moving to Colorado Springs would have been a better commute.

She had 3 hours of driving every weekday for her job, probably longer in the winter. Then she has to drop off and pick up her daughter every day. Add in the aggravation factor there.

She could certainly have done it legally and given herself a better lifestyle, maybe found someone to date.

I cant imagine being around PF was particularly nice if they were no longer romantically involved, and it's not like he's a fine upstanding citizen.

I'd want to have moved away from him and started anew.

That's what doesn't add up. She bought her home in May, had they broken up in January, she would have looked for a home closer to her work rather than be closer to him.

 

[MassGuy]

If they had really broken up in January 2018, why didn't KB move closer to her work in Pueblo, CO with her daughter? Even moving to Colorado Springs would have been a better commute.

She had 3 hours of driving every weekday for her job, probably longer in the winter. Then she has to drop off and pick up her daughter every day. Add in the aggravation factor there.

She could certainly have done it legally and given herself a better lifestyle, maybe found someone to date.

I cant imagine being around PF was particularly nice if they were no longer romantically involved, and it's not like he's a fine upstanding citizen.

I'd want to have moved away from him and started anew.

If that’s true, their relationship might have been over, but she may have had her daughter’s interests in mind.

Maybe Kelsey thought he was a good father, and it made sense for them to continue to live close together.

It seems that PF had the baby on days when she was working, so she also had built in childcare.

 

[Gardener1850]

It came from her brother's Facebook post shown at 1:20 in this video.

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Colorado mom missing since Thanksgiving

ETA: Sorry @Gardener1850, we must have been posting at the same time!

Thanks PM. I edited my info post to include the cinnamon rolls under misc info, lol.

 

[Aydrianna523]

After someone mentioned PF had an unusual look (possibly autistic), I checked out the court video. Something seems odd, but I wouldn't know. I do wonder now at his education/intellectual level. But maybe all the legalese didn't make sense to him...section # this and that, etc..

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[MassGuy]

After someone mentioned PF had an unusual look (possibly autistic), I checked out the court video. Something seems odd, but I wouldn't know. I do wonder now at his education/intellectual level. But maybe all the legalese didn't make sense to him...section # this and that, etc..

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To me, he appears scared and nervous.

He looks like a broken man, a guy who knows that his life is over.

We’ve heard nothing to indicate that he has any sort of neurological or developmental disorder, and I don’t think this video is indicative of anything like that.

He’s just suffering from “evil.”

 

[Irmese]

I am not sure where Nancy Grace got her information about a gf. I listened to her podcast and IF I remember correctly, was she referencing rumors that she had heard?
The CW case is very fresh in my mind, so my opinion is most likely colored by the fact there was another woman involved there (in the CW case). JMO.

I think the story that they had broken up back in January of last year influences my ideas the most. I would not entertain the idea at all before because I didn't see any evidence, but that just sounds exactly like the kind of lie a cheater tells.

 

[gitana1]

How might your beliefs about this case change if you discovered he solicited undercover law enforcement? Would the pieces fall into place? Would the bizarre behavior of everyone involved suddenly make sense? What if the undercover agent was supposed to do the deed and then provide PF with evidence, like her phone, before collecting payment? And what if she is still alive, in protective custody while the sting plays out?

That didn't happen. Because that is illogical and makes zero sense. It's would make an interesting albeit confusing movie, however.

 

[Concernedmamaof3]

To me, he appears scared and nervous.

He looks like a broken man, a guy who knows that his life is over.

We’ve heard nothing to indicate that he has any sort of neurological or developmental disorder, and I don’t think this video is indicative of anything like that.

To me, he looks like he is trying to look scared or nervous. Part of me wonders if it is an act of what he thinks an innocent man in this situation would look like. But I fully admit, that may just be me reading into nothing. MOO

 

[MassGuy]

To me, he looks like he is trying to look scared or nervous. Part of me wonders if it is an act of what he thinks an innocent man in this situation would look like. But I fully admit, that may just be me reading into nothing. MOO

I dunno, that looks real to me.

He doesn’t have that stone faced demeanor of a guy like Scott Peterson, or even Chris Watts.

I think a lot of people will look at that and see what they want to see though.

 

[WildWest]

I have also wondered if he is on the spectrum, NOT because of crimes, but because of his flat affect and lack of reaction for example when cameras are thrust inches from his face. Again, being on the spectrum does NOT make him criminal , so please do not take my comment the wrong way. JMO, observation (comes from 25 years as a classroom teacher) and wondering aloud.

I wondered about the spectrum too. And that might give a bit of explanation to him never leaving the nest.

 

[Gardener1850]

If they had really broken up in January 2018, why didn't KB move closer to her work in Pueblo, CO with her daughter? Even moving to Colorado Springs would have been a better commute.

She had 3 hours of driving every weekday for her job, probably longer in the winter. Then she has to drop off and pick up her daughter every day. Add in the aggravation factor there.

She could certainly have done it legally and given herself a better lifestyle, maybe found someone to date.

I cant imagine being around PF was particularly nice if they were no longer romantically involved, and it's not like he's a fine upstanding citizen.

I'd want to have moved away from him and started anew.

It's interesting to me that the people coming out to say they had been broken up "for months" or since Jan 2018 made it seem as if they only heard that info after she went missing and days before PF was arrested. I'm not yet buying that they were really broken up that long in KB's mind. That Jan 2018 date has me puzzled and makes me wonder if he told someone to tell that exact date to the press for reason. Could that date indicate when he started living a double life and began cheating on KB? Did he start taking care of Baby K during the daytime when she was about 3 months old? And who was he taking the baby around to see then?

 

[Concernedmamaof3]

It's interesting to me that the people coming out to say they had been broken up "for months" or since Jan 2018 made it seem as if they only heard that info after she went missing and days before PF was arrested. I'm not yet buying that they were really broken up that long in KB's mind. That Jan 2018 date has me puzzled and makes me wonder if he told someone to tell that exact date to the press for reason. Could that date indicate when he started living a double life and began cheating on KB? Did he start taking care of Baby K during the daytime when she was about 3 months old? And who was he taking the baby around to see then?

Someone guessed KB went back to work from maternity leave in January. If true, he would probably start caring for baby K more then.

 

[chi123]

How might your beliefs about this case change if you discovered he solicited undercover law enforcement? Would the pieces fall into place? Would the bizarre behavior of everyone involved suddenly make sense? What if the undercover agent was supposed to do the deed and then provide PF with evidence, like her phone, before collecting payment? And what if she is still alive, in protective custody while the sting plays out?

Not to sound rude but even as far as conspiracy theories go this might be the most outlandish I have ever heard, lol.

Everybody’s behavior in the case makes perfect sense if you think PF killed her, which he almost certainly did.