CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #21 *ARREST*

[Hatfield]

According to a friend of his whose granddaughter had play dates with K. I’m not sure how to post links, but this is from the CNN article:

“Two friends said Frazee told them that the relationship with Berreth ended months ago -- claims that contradict statements from Berreth's aunt, who wrote on Facebook that Berreth broke up with Frazee the same day she went missing.​

"I still refuse to believe that he's done this until I see the evidence," said Tamra Freeman, whose granddaughter played with Frazee's daughter.​

Freeman said that Frazee told her the relationship with Berreth ended on New Year's Day 2018, and the only contact they had was related to their daughter. Berreth's mother has not responded to CNN's requests for comment.​

Frazee was at Freeman's home two days before his arrest, she said. She recalls him being concerned about what would happen to Kaylee if he was arrested, she said. Freeman said Frazee told her he felt "railroaded" by police, who he claimed seemed to be focused only on him.”​

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/12/31/us/colorado-man-charged/index.html?r=https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/co-kelsey-berreth-29-woodland-park-teller-county-22-nov-2018-21-arrest.408839/page-9

Edited for formatting, still not sure how to insert links properly but hopefully that works?

JMO

Here is a small hint that he lied to the neighbor about breaking up with KB in January 2018. Not scientific evidence or anything but,

I happen to know a relative that recently got divorced and they were a quiet couple that did not share their business with relatives. But they did share the news of their relationship troubles right as it was happening with their friendly neighbor that they both were friends with. None of us relatives even knew they had separated and had already filed for divorce until one of us went over to their house to visit and they were gone but the neighbor happened to be in the yard and came over to talk. The neighbor kindly shared that the person we were looking for to visit with was not even living in the house anymore.

So if this is an example of what typically would happen I would contest that his neighbor would have been told by PF shortly after January and not 2 days before he was arrested.

Based on this actual event I call BS on his story to the neighbor about the January 2018 breakup. I am sure they were having issues sometime in 2018 and I am sure he began to feel they were going to breakup for good at some point but I serously doubt there was a January 2018 New Years Day official breakup. At least not in KB's mind there wasnt.

All JMO based on a similar breakup situation that I am aware of and how the neighbors were told of the business shortly after it began to happen. As in my relatives case I feel he would have opened up immediately to a friendly neighbor about their troubles because he would have had a shoulder to lean on.
Which is why I call BS on his story. I think he told her that to help make himself look not so guilty to her.

 

[Aydrianna523]

Are we allowed to post the link? Patrick Frazee

Thx, I was curious...

 

[Trudie]

Sure. A defense attorney would want to start working the case as soon as he is hired. I like to talk to every witness I can find a soon as possible. But arraignment is when the official clock starts ticking on "speedy trial" requirements. So the prosecutor probably wants to push that out as far as possible while LE tries to find the body and other evidence. Defense MAY want to get it as soon as possible to force the DA to start turning over evidence and perhaps even limit the amount of evidence collected. Quite often, Defendants will waive their right to speedy trial to give their own attorney more time to prepare. But this could be a case where the defense may not want to do that.

If a defendant goes for a speedy trial, that must be a hardship for the prosecutor & his team??
Can a Judge extend the time frame due to a hardship?

 

[Mom24]

Was it confirmed that they met on a Christian dating site? PF just doesn't srike me as being very religious.

Let's just shorten it to "online dating site" to be sure. I'm not sure it was ever confirmed which dating site, and he may have accounts on a number of different online dating sites.

 

[KBB87]

I didn't know it was confirmed they met on a dating site, let alone a Christian one. I know it's been reported they met online, but do we know it was an actual dating site or in some other way online. (Sorry if this has been discussed. I'm doing my best to keep up but I haven't read every post).

jmo

Her cousin’s quote from an article in the Daily Mail:

“'She told me she met him online but she didn't elaborate. She just said they met online and after a few months he came down (to Washington) and moved her over there.​

'In retrospect, there's a lot of questions I didn't get to ask.'”​

Kelsey Berreth's cousin speaks out for the first time since fiance's arrest | Daily Mail Online​

I believe that’s the only source we have for how they met, but I could be wrong.

 

[vaporlass]

I don’t think life insurance was a motive at all. He’d had to have waited several years of her missing for her to be declared dead, I’ve heard 5 years and 7 years, not sure which.

I’ve heard and read about a lot of MISSING - NO BODY - being declared legally dead - within MONTHS of disappearance, lately. One example is Michael Chambers in Quinlan, Tx.

 

[MassGuy]

I’ve heard and read about a lot of MISSING - NO BODY - being declared legally dead - within MONTHS of disappearance, lately. One example is Michael Chambers in Quinlan, Tx.

It depends on the circumstances, and how compelling the evidence is that someone is deceased.

Had Kelsey just vanished, and there weren’t strong indications that she was dead, then it could have taken years for her to be declared legally dead.

No one plays that kind of long-game when the motive is financial.

They want that money soon.

 

[Deleted member 718]

Let's just shorten it to "online dating site" to be sure. I'm not sure it was ever confirmed which dating site, and he may have accounts on a number of different online dating sites.

I have a friend who uses the dating sites frequently. I asked her to try and find PF and she couldn't find anything current. She searched his location, interests, age groups etc, anything that he might use. This was before his arrest. So I tend to believe he wasn't currently using them.

 

[justpeachy22]

My hunch is that her body is beteeen his home and Cripple Creek. I am familiar with that area. There is a lot of public land, lots of dirt roads to drive up. I’m sure he knew where he was going to bury her. All he’d have to do is drive up there at night, toss her into any ravine off the side of a road, cover her with a shallow grave. I’m sure that cowboy can dig a grave pretty quickly. He’d easily be back home by Thanksgiving night. I am so sad she is out there...somewhere.

 

[NanZDrew]

Me too! I just hope they aren’t stalling because they can’t get their pieces tied together. The roll out of this case makes me worry they can’t pin down their evidence solidly. I hope this isn’t the case! It bothered me when the DA said they haven’t been able to interview and follow the leads because of the ‘holiday season’ making it difficult. I kind of scratched my head thinking, Holidays slow down 1st degree murder investigations?

I don't think it slows LE down, but people they need to interview are often out of town.

 

[PrairieWind]

If a defendant goes for a speedy trial, that must be a hardship for the prosecutor & his team??
Can a Judge extend the time frame due to a hardship?

There are circumstances where the court can grant extensions. But, court and DA must be very careful. If an appeals court finds that there shouldn't have been an extension and/or that speedy trial was violated, then a conviction can be overturned and charges dismissed.

 

[NanZDrew]

My hunch is that her body is beteeen his home and Cripple Creek. I am familiar with that area. There is a lot of public land, lots of dirt roads to drive up. I’m sure he knew where he was going to bury her. All he’d have to do is drive up there at night, toss her into any ravine off the side of a road, cover her with a shallow grave. I’m sure that cowboy can dig a grave pretty quickly. He’d easily be back home by Thanksgiving night. I am so sad she is out there...somewhere.

Others from your area have also suspected that same area.

 

[Trudie]

There are circumstances where the court can grant extensions. But, court and DA must be very careful. If an appeals court finds that there shouldn't have been an extension and/or that speedy trial was violated, then a conviction can be overturned and charges dismissed.

Tysm! Well, I can see where a request for a speedy trial might not be in the best interest of the DA, in most cases.
Especially, a DP case. Not only in CO, but any jurisdiction.
Again, tysm

 

[Trudie]

I have a friend who uses the dating sites frequently. I asked her to try and find PF and she couldn't find anything current. She searched his location, interests, age groups etc, anything that he might use. This was before his arrest. So I tend to believe he wasn't currently using them.

Maybe he used an alias?

 

[Irmese]

Where is this January 2018 date coming from? Has he claimed they broke up a year ago? I haven’t seen that before this thread today. I must have missed this.

In an interview with the friend who said he had known him since they were n 4H together.

 

[Deleted member 718]

Maybe he used an alias?

Don't most folks use aliases on dating sites?

 

[Trudie]

Her cousin’s quote from an article in the Daily Mail:

“'She told me she met him online but she didn't elaborate. She just said they met online and after a few months he came down (to Washington) and moved her over there.​

'In retrospect, there's a lot of questions I didn't get to ask.'”​

Kelsey Berreth's cousin speaks out for the first time since fiance's arrest | Daily Mail Online​

I believe that’s the only source we have for how they met, but I could be wrong.

Wonder if K’s mom is overly livid with this cousin. I would be. She’d be my “former” relative, after running her mouth about things that matter none. How they met isn’t even relevant, imo. They could have met in church, with end results being the same.

 

[Trudie]

Don't most folks use aliases on dating sites?

Oh, idk. Sorry. Never looked at one. If so, it’d be incredibly hard to find a specific person, maybe?

 

[girlhasnoname]

I wonder how many other women Frazee met through online dating sites.

I have a feeling we are going to hear all about PF's online activities in detail in the near future.

 

[KBB87]

JMO

Here is a small hint that he lied to the neighbor about breaking up with KB in January 2018. Not scientific evidence or anything but,

I happen to know a relative that recently got divorced and they were a quiet couple that did not share their business with relatives. But they did share the news of their relationship troubles right as it was happening with their friendly neighbor that they both were friends with. None of us relatives even knew they had separated and had already filed for divorce until one of us went over to their house to visit and they were gone but the neighbor happened to be in the yard and came over to talk. The neighbor kindly shared that the person we were looking for to visit with was not even living in the house anymore.

So if this is an example of what typically would happen I would contest that his neighbor would have been told by PF shortly after January and not 2 days before he was arrested.

Based on this actual event I call BS on his story to the neighbor about the January 2018 breakup. I am sure they were having issues sometime in 2018 and I am sure he began to feel they were going to breakup for good at some point but I serously doubt there was a January 2018 New Years Day official breakup. At least not in KB's mind there wasnt.

All JMO based on a similar breakup situation that I am aware of and how the neighbors were told of the business shortly after it began to happen. As in my relatives case I feel he would have opened up immediately to a friendly neighbor about their troubles because he would have had a shoulder to lean on.
Which is why I call BS on his story. I think he told her that to help make himself look not so guilty to her.

I 100% agree about when this woman would have been told about the breakup, if it truly happened, but the article doesn’t actually say when he told her they broke up.

It says he told her they broke up in January of 2018. Then it says she saw him two days before his arrest and he felt he was being railroaded, etc. We may just be conflating those two separate pieces of information.

It doesn’t explicitly say he informed her of their earlier breakup two days before his arrest.