CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #23 *ARREST*

[Trudie]

I could see that as a course of action. IN has the phone, IN visited CO on the 22nd and IN disposed of the phone and the text msgs were sent from ID. PF can claim all he did was pick up his child for Thanksgiving. If IN isn't cooperating, she better hurry before PF gets his rhetoric out there first.

I can see this playing out. I expect a lot of finger pointing.
As far as we know, LE assumes K deceased based on evidence & information, correct? Did info come from IN, the person that might have had K’s phone?

 

[Trudie]

I do hope that if evidence of his guilt begins to stack up and there is little hope of him getting off that he may consider a plea deal. I think he is still banking on being able to get off on reasonable doubt and won't even consider a plea until all hope is lost. MOO

Probably way too soon for deals since the investigation is active.

 

[PommyMommy]

Patrick Frazee gets access to affidavit with reason for murder charges
We asked why Frazee wasn't given access to the document in the first place, and the district attorney's office said that it could have put a potential witness in danger, though we weren't given specifics about why a witness would be in danger.

After we reported that a woman in Idaho was under investigation for potentially disposing of Berreth's cell phone, a prosecutor hinted that her involvement is on record in the affidavit.

"I can't really speak to any of the information in any of the probable cause affidavits because those remained sealed at this time," said Jennifer Viehman with the 4th Judicial District Attorney's Office.

 

[Concernedmamaof3]

I can see this playing out. I expect a lot of finger pointing.
As far as we know, LE assumes K deceased based on evidence & information, correct? Did info come from IN, the person that might have had K’s phone?

I would think that they would need to have evidence to back up any information IN provides. If they took her word for things with not having evidence to confirm, I believe it would open the door for the defense to claim IN is lying. MOO

 

[Trudie]

What, ?!

Patrick Frazee gets access to affidavit with reason for murder charges
After we reported that a woman in Idaho was under investigation for potentially disposing of Berreth's cell phone, a prosecutor hinted that her involvement is on record in the affidavit.

"I can't really speak to any of the information in any of the probable cause affidavits because those remained sealed at this time," said Jennifer Viehman with the 4th Judicial District Attorney's Office.

So, was the request to prevent P from knowing what the affs’ contained so he wouldn’t know IN talked?
I think he can see the local news on TV? Or his atty is updating him? Hmmmmm

 

[Trudie]

I would think that they would need to have evidence to back up any information IN provides. If they took her word for things with not having evidence to confirm, I believe it would open the door for the defense to claim IN is lying. MOO

I bet the door is already more than ajar.

 

[PrairieWind]

Lol, I think LA used to have them. Never heard of any in CO.

Levity aside, I wonder when a defendant realizes he’s not getting away with his crime? Maybe not until the pretrial process?
Maybe an attorney will weigh in, I’m curious when the DA/defendant start discussing plea deals.

I typically wont discuss plea agreement options with a client until I have reviewed all of the prosecutions evidence and had a chance to interview the major witnesses. Now, in a case like this, that could take a long time.

 

[Hopefullyhelpful]

She has children already. Has been married, but is now divorced.

Could someone summarize what we are allowed to know about IN?

 

[Trudie]

I typically wont discuss plea agreement options with a client until I have reviewed all of the prosecutions evidence and had a chance to interview the major witnesses. Now, in a case like this, that could take a long time.

Tysm. You ever have a client eager to avoid trial, just get it over with & advise you he wishes to plead guilty?

 

[Nudgee]

I thought it was to be at least a 4 hour hearing.
Did you watch the PC? When asked about other arrests, it was not ruled out, only none thus far.

and @PrairieWind (I can’t double quote for some reason).....
I’m not surprised at the shorter hearing.... knowing there was going to be a “ changing of the guards” so to speak ( I come from a military family so we use that term a lot) with the change in judges, I think making sure those items that had to be addressed the past 2 weeks and today, were addressed. I think Judge LBV did a great job navigating the waters of the justice system for the short time she was on the case knowing she would not be over seeing the case come January. Kudos to her!

 

[Nudgee]

I thought it was to be at least a 4 hour hearing.
Did you watch the PC? When asked about other arrests, it was not ruled out, only none thus far.

and @PrairieWind (I can’t double quote for some reason).....
Double post... sorry...

 

[Trudie]

I typically wont discuss plea agreement options with a client until I have reviewed all of the prosecutions evidence and had a chance to interview the major witnesses. Now, in a case like this, that could take a long time.

P is seemingly a defense attys dream? He’s not speaking publicly, that we know of. We have heard nary a word of any jail infractions.

 

[Hopefullyhelpful]

Actually, what bingo posted has been reported in MSM.

This is why it might be a good idea to have a summary of what is officially “known” about IN, since it’s now obvious that she is real and a big part of the picture.

 

[Kapua]

Patrick Frazee gets access to affidavit with reason for murder charges
We asked why Frazee wasn't given access to the document in the first place, and the district attorney's office said that it could have put a potential witness in danger, though we weren't given specifics about why a witness would be in danger.

After we reported that a woman in Idaho was under investigation for potentially disposing of Berreth's cell phone, a prosecutor hinted that her involvement is on record in the affidavit.

"I can't really speak to any of the information in any of the probable cause affidavits because those remained sealed at this time," said Jennifer Viehman with the 4th Judicial District Attorney's Office.

So if it "could have put a potential witness in danger", is the potential witness in danger now? Is anyone protecting the witness?

 

[jewelsmac]

Seriously!!

And Pommy diligently puts all the media articles in the media thread to so people can catch up without having to wade through so many threads. It's super considerate.

yes, yes it is

 

[PommyMommy]

Patrick Frazee, accused of killing Kelsey Berreth, gets to see arrest warrant affidavit
During a motions hearing, Teller County Deputy District Attorney Jennifer Viehma said the prosecution completed an unspecified portion of the investigation and no longer needed to withhold the affidavit. The affidavit, which outlines the facts that were the basis for Frazee’s arrest, remains sealed to the general public.

Frazee is scheduled for a Feb. 19 preliminary hearing. His attorney, Adam Steigerwald, requested more time because of the size and complexity of the case.

In another matter, attorneys settled concerns over a piece of evidence that they feared would be destroyed in scientific testing. Prosecutors determined there is enough to give a portion to the defense team for separate analysis.

 

[Mom24]

Wasn't there a motion by the defense for all the evidence the prosecution has including LE notes, correspondence, emails, texts, etc? Was that ruled on?

 

[MsBetsy]

Patrick Frazee gets access to affidavit with reason for murder charges
We asked why Frazee wasn't given access to the document in the first place, and the district attorney's office said that it could have put a potential witness in danger, though we weren't given specifics about why a witness would be in danger.

After we reported that a woman in Idaho was under investigation for potentially disposing of Berreth's cell phone, a prosecutor hinted that her involvement is on record in the affidavit.

"I can't really speak to any of the information in any of the probable cause affidavits because those remained sealed at this time," said Jennifer Viehman with the 4th Judicial District Attorney's Office.

For clarification, was the reason they kept the contents of the affidavit from Frazee so that he would not know to what extent the potential person involved had been cooperating? Or what that person or people may have revealed?

 

[Trudie]

This is why it might be a good idea to have a summary of what is officially “known” about IN, since it’s now obvious that she is real and a big part of the picture.

Maybe PM a mod? Idk

 

[v0x]

Clayton Sandell on Twitter

“Sources tell @ABC rumors of an additional arrest in the #KelseyBerreth case are FALSE. The investigation continues, however, and additional developments could happen at any time.”

 

[Hopefullyhelpful]

Well, unless the body was completely destroyed by the concealment process (burning, acid, dismemberment, etc). If they knew where that happened, perhaps there could still be some evidence, but no body.

I don't think she'll ever be found This case has a very Susan Powell vibe to me.

MOO. I think what’s happened to her remains is probably giving more than just me nightmares. MOO