CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #25 *ARREST*

[MyBelle]

Yes she did. But how much does it cost to support a child?
As far as life insurance, I’ve never heard of a child not having a guardian to manage those proceeds. Maybe it’s dif in CO. Hypothetically, assume a man receives 1,800 monthly SS for death benefits. I don’t see how there’d be enough left over after meeting the needs of a baby, to make murder an option. Jmo. I think food, clothes, day care, medical, college funds, school activities, etc., would leave very little.

Day care? K wasn't in daycare. I've seen no indication she had medical expenses on a monthly basis but I do know she wasn't in school. The guardian of the child usually is the surviving parent. And $1,800/mo. tax-free is hardly chump change. I'll agree to disagree and move on.

 

[Hatch]

I'll explain again, lol. I was replying to someone else's post who said she might just be a witness that is cooperating with LE and may not be arrested for that reason. I hope I explained myself clearly.

I admit, I learn something new every day, even at my age. I am not very knowledgeable about the legal profession. Next time, I won't ask and try to look it up on my own, rather than look like an idiot to some because I simply did not understand something. Bugger me, I'm human!

Sorry did not mean to step on your post or concern, we are just a bunch of guys and dolls sitting at a round table, your question as any question on WS is a good question.

 

[susiQ]

What happens when two narcissists bond? MOO

Good one! I know he is. Can't wait to learn more about KK

 

[MassGuy]

Is that just ego on his part do you think? Even if they came at him with a mountain of evidence, he would not want to spare everyone the trial?

Partially ego, but I think it’s more to do with ignorance in regards to how other people will perceive his actions.

He committed a crime that he thought he could get away with, and that’s something that we are all scratching our heads at.

How the hell did he think he could get away with this?

Taking this to trial, would simply be a continuation of that type of thinking.

And he’s not about to spare anyone anything.

This crime was about him, and this trial will be about his hope for freedom.

False hope.

 

[Trudie]

Hypothetical!!

What if KK borrowed a vehicle for her road trip to CO?
Or used a company vehicle a friend owns.
......hypothetically continuing.......the person loaning a vehicle knows she’s in some type of a relationship with CO cowboy, PF. Friend learns of KB missing, hears the name PF and decides to go to LE, advising them to what she knows?
Or maybe used a rental car?
I don’t see her using her own vehicle. I just don’t. Not if she knew what was going down.
Moo

 

[Gardener1850]

If women kill their children to hold on to a man, would a man kill a fiance to hold on to another woman? I keep thinking something happened this past fall that was the straw, something that was worth soliciting someone for murder and planning out Kelsey's murder. It's hard to pin down a motive because so many times it's quick, done out of rage and anger, but this was carefully and soberly planned. Could KK have told him that he had to make a choice and he was too afraid to tell KB to get lost? I mean in his previous relations he cheated rather than ending things, that shows a desire to avoid confrontation. Doesn't it sound like he was cheating on KB with KK? Why not just say "hey KB, I've met someone else and I'm moving on", but that doesn't seem to be the case. Instead KB is still engaged, things are moving forward from her perspective and the only one who's talking about "break ups" is PF, at least that's what KB's family have said. But what happened in late summer or Aug that made him decide to kill her?
There is a chance that KK had also been told that PF and KB had ended things. Maybe KK wanted to move down and be closer, live on the farm, bring her kids.

I think he was carrying on with both women and making them both believe he was only with them. I wonder if there's a chance KK thought she was engaged to PF too? Maybe the big thing that happened was that both KK and KB expected to have Thanksgiving dinner with PF? When Baby K was younger it would have been easier to juggle two women. KB would be focused on her baby and her career and not have much time to be suspicious if PF was gone for too many rodeo days without her. He could tell her he was working a rodeo and go to Idaho to see KK instead. If KK saw PF 2-3 times a month for a couple years she might have thought their long distance relationship was serious and pushed to spend more time with him during important family holidays. What PF told his family about his Thanksgiving day plans will be very interesting. MOO.

 

[Hopefullyhelpful]

Who are you referring to, please?

PF and IN

 

[legalmomma]

Maybe KB was having a hard time accepting the relationship was over. Maybe someone wasn't happy that KB still went ahead and purchased a home so close to PF, when they really wanted KB to leave the community. MOO

I truly believe there will be so many complicated details that emerge during this case. It is rare that murder charges are filed within what, 3 weeks..lost track..? of a missing person notification, without a body. This will be a case to follow and I so, so feel for KB's family. The murder plus the wrongful death suit, years..... I just hope during this time the family can bury, love and move on somewhat. The word "closure" is not possible...perhaps easing into a new normal.

 

[cluciano63]

What about her lawyer, though? If she is merely a witness, why does she need a lawyer if she's not guilty of any wrong doing?

Well if the FBI is investigating me and my job suspends me...I would get a lawyer. Who wouldn’t really?

 

[Trudie]

Is that just ego on his part do you think? Even if they came at him with a mountain of evidence, he would not want to spare everyone the trial?

IMO, statistically speaking, he will plead.
Especially if it’s a DP case. There’s nothing to gain & everything to lose in a DP trial. Like life.
I so hope (if guilty) he will spare everyone the emotional pain.

 

[jewelsmac]

But.. she DID it nonetheless. WHY?

Selfishness, stupidity, love, combination of all those things. Take your pick. Who knows

 

[Trudie]

I truly believe there will be so many complicated details that emerge during this case. It is rare that murder charges are filed within what, 3 weeks..lost track..? of a missing person notification, without a body. This will be a case to follow and I so, so feel for KB's family. The murder plus the wrongful death suit, years..... I just hope during this time the family can bury, love and move on somewhat. The word "closure" is not possible...perhaps easing into a new normal.

I think baby K will help the B family create a new normal.
What a blessing she must be for them.

 

[cluciano63]

IMO, statistically speaking, he will plead.
Especially if it’s a DP case. There’s nothing to gain & everything to lose in a DP trial. Like life.
I so hope (if guilty) he will spare everyone the emotional pain.

More likely, death row but not actual DP, in CO. He won’t plea jmo.

 

[jewelsmac]

IMO, statistically speaking, he will plead.
Especially if it’s a DP case. There’s nothing to gain & everything to lose in a DP trial. Like life.
I so hope (if guilty) he will spare everyone the emotional pain.

I hope so too. In CW’s case I believe that he did because he did not want all of the ugly details of what he had done to become public. Not out of concern for everyone and enduring a trial. I’m hoping that PF has the same self preservation.

 

[Hopefullyhelpful]

Good one! I know he is. Can't wait to learn more about KK

KK the rodeo queen.....

 

[jewelsmac]

More likely, death row but not actual DP, in CO. He won’t plea jmo.

It seems to be the opinion of a few people on the boards here and that he would have no fear of DP. With all of the evidence that it appears LE has, you would think that perhaps a bargain would be struck in order to locate her body. But if he doesn’t fear of the DP sentence, then why would he bargain at all?

 

[susiQ]

KK the rodeo queen.....

That's a start, but I need to know more about her past relationship with her ex. I'd like to have a chat with him

 

[Trudie]

I truly believe there will be so many complicated details that emerge during this case. It is rare that murder charges are filed within what, 3 weeks..lost track..? of a missing person notification, without a body. This will be a case to follow and I so, so feel for KB's family. The murder plus the wrongful death suit, years..... I just hope during this time the family can bury, love and move on somewhat. The word "closure" is not possible...perhaps easing into a new normal.

@legalmomma
Was PF arrested due to a solicited advising LE he had been solicited? Or??? If, due to info from another party, he will accuse that person, correct?

 

[MassGuy]

IMO, statistically speaking, he will plead.
Especially if it’s a DP case. There’s nothing to gain & everything to lose in a DP trial. Like life.
I so hope (if guilty) he will spare everyone the emotional pain.

Here’s the thing though, the death penalty hasn’t even been pursued yet.

When and if it is, the fact remains, it doesn’t have a lot of teeth in Colorado.

The last execution was over 20 years ago, and very few people are ever sentenced to death there.

When they are sentenced, they will likely die of natural causes in prison.

The state is shifting away from the death penalty, and I think it will likely be abolished altogether, at some point in the near future.

Chris Watts did plead guilty, but he had a particular psychology, namely that he cares very much about his perception.

That was plain as day in the discovery documents.

I think he plead guilty because of fear of being exposed, as much as fear of being put to death.

I’m not sure PF has that psychological makeup.

 

[MyBelle]

I hope so too. In CW’s case I believe that he did because he did not want all of the ugly details of what he had done to become public. Not out of concern for everyone and enduring a trial. I’m hoping that PF has the same self preservation.

I'll be surprised if a plea is offered in this case.