CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #26 *ARREST*

[BRRI]

Im going with Door #3 too.

Wouldnt it be something if we find out he dumped her purse and body down a mineshaft and went back to retrieve her car but he had forgotten the keys to her car were in her purse.

Good point, though hiding a car is risky. DNA, cameras, GPS

 

[BRRI]

Yes. But most people don’t have months to plan what to do with a body, nor do they have several days in which to actually carry out the disposal.

My guess that she wasn’t dumped above ground, or buried in a shallow grave.

Burned and scattered is my guess

 

[Kapua]

Im going with Door #3 too.

Wouldnt it be something if we find out he dumped her purse and body down a mineshaft and went back to retrieve her car but he had forgotten the keys to her car were in her purse.

HAHA, you are probably right!

 

[Yellow Rose]

Im going with Door #3 too.

Wouldnt it be something if we find out he dumped her purse and body down a mineshaft and went back to retrieve her car but he had forgotten the keys to her car were in her purse.

God, I LOVE THIS

 

[oviedo]

Burned and scattered is my guess

Ugh - and now I am wondering if IN is now cooperating since I do not believe we have heard of an arrest yet? IMO there are others around him that knew something

 

[zecats]

That’s the confusing thing. What exactly PF planned to make this look like, and how and if his plan changed along the way.

The cell phone activity makes sense if he was trying to create a scenario in which Kelsey left on some sort of a road trip.

But it makes no sense if she didn’t have the means to get there.

Chris Watts probably planned to make it look like Shanann left on her own, but his plan was thwarted when his time was cut short by SW’s friend.

He didn’t have a chance to dump her belongings and vehicle.

PF had over a week to make this look the way he wanted it to look, and the way he made it look doesn’t make a lot of sense.

Because of the car.

So one of three things could have occurred:

We are wrong about how he planned to make this look.

Something inhibited him from dumping her car.

He’s a dumbass.

I’m going with the latter.

I continue to believe that whatever his motive was (even originally) would determine what happened to her body. If it was insurance money, and maybe even custody of Baby K, I would think he'd want her body discovered (in relationship to a "robbery"). Proof of death would speed up either of these scenarios.

If something went stray with this motive, then, yes, he would have had to come up with another plan...make it looks as it she had left on her own. Again, stupid to do this without also losing one of her vehicles.

If the motive was something else (not sure what), then getting rid of the body as effectively as possible would be the plan. All JMO

 

[riolove77]

I keep thinking about the wording of the conditions concerning who PF can,and can not contact according to the arrest affidavit. Specifically the ( Other than family members). Part.
Can our Verified lawyers explain what this means?
TIA.

I think it just means there are witnesses named in the affidavit (likely the solicitees, etc.) who are NOT to be contacted by PF while he is in jail. There are also likely various family members listed in it, and he is permitted to speak to them.

IMO

 

[oviedo]

That’s the confusing thing. What exactly PF planned to make this look like, and how and if his plan changed along the way.

The cell phone activity makes sense if he was trying to create a scenario in which Kelsey left on some sort of a road trip.

But it makes no sense if she didn’t have the means to get there.

Chris Watts probably planned to make it look like Shanann left on her own, but his plan was thwarted when his time was cut short by SW’s friend.

He didn’t have a chance to dump her belongings and vehicle.

PF had over a week to make this look the way he wanted it to look, and the way he made it look doesn’t make a lot of sense.

Because of the car.

So one of three things could have occurred:

We are wrong about how he planned to make this look.

Something inhibited him from dumping her car.

He’s a dumbass.

I’m going with the latter.

He certainly had a "story" worked out right? I seem to recall he mentioned she was visiting someone in Idaho and this, IMO, shows he had some bit of planning and the phone pinged in an area which would make sense for this "story" - he knew when he said his "story" that the cars were still both there and he did not offer an explanation of this to CB that we know of. It's just not a very well thought out / executed plan IMO. I know I have heard/read this "story" but can't seem to find the link - will edit to add as I am sure it's in the media thread

 

[Trudie]

I continue to believe that whatever his motive was (even originally) would determine what happened to her body. If it was insurance money, and maybe even custody of Baby K, I would think he'd want her body discovered (in relationship to a "robbery"). Proof of death would speed up either of these scenarios.

If something went stray with this motive, then, yes, he would have had to come up with another plan...make it looks as it she had left on her own. Again, stupid to do this without also losing one of her vehicles.

If the motive was something else (not sure what), then getting rid of the body as effectively as possible would be the plan. All JMO

Ita. IMO, baby K is the Bennie on any insurance policy KB might have. Therefore, PF would not get the money, imo. I’m not sure about CO, where I’m at the payout must be invested for the minor child.
Moo

 

[gitana1]

I never suggested anybody is forced to answer questions in a lawsuit. I said "a civil lawsuit requires answering questions." Invoking the fifth amendment IS an answer. JMO

Well that is certainly true. But I don't think that's how most would've interpreted your post! Because how could an answer that invokes the fifth help them in their civil case?

 

[SoVeryMe]

Maybe he thought no body being found = no murder charges.

 

[gitana1]

One part noted in MSM which goes with taking the 5th. When he does he is declared guilty it stated.

Sorry! I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here.

 

[zecats]

Ita. IMO, baby K is the Bennie on any insurance policy KB might have. Therefore, PF would not get the money, imo. I’m not sure about CO, where I’m at the payout must be invested for the minor child.
Moo

PF may have had some control over that money as the surviving parent. But my point is I don't think it was about money. For some reason, it became necessary to hide/get rid of her body and evidence.

 

[The Night Watchman]

That’s the confusing thing. What exactly PF planned to make this look like, and how and if his plan changed along the way.

The cell phone activity makes sense if he was trying to create a scenario in which Kelsey left on some sort of a road trip.

But it makes no sense if she didn’t have the means to get there.

Chris Watts probably planned to make it look like Shanann left on her own, but his plan was thwarted when his time was cut short by SW’s friend.

He didn’t have a chance to dump her belongings and vehicle.

PF had over a week to make this look the way he wanted it to look, and the way he made it look doesn’t make a lot of sense.

Because of the car.

So one of three things could have occurred:

We are wrong about how he planned to make this look.

Something inhibited him from dumping her car.

He’s a dumbass.

I’m going with the latter.

There is also the chance he snapped and reacted angrily. And tossed all his murderous and premeditated plans out the window. Like a dumbass.

Holidays with family are usually a pretty big deal. Maybe there were plans between PF/KB for PF to pick up the baby for Thanksgiving dinner with his family (and without KB). Show off the cutie to everyone. This is a realistic possibility.

But KB got pissed for some reason and refused to hand the child off. PF seems the type to need to have to control, and in this situation, he would be getting played and jacked around by someone he seems to have grown to loathe. The cowboy needed that child, on that day, on Thanksgiving. Forcibly taking the child could have really turned ugly fast.

He apparently had some type of premeditated plan for murder, but maybe the plan never happened.

 

[BRRI]

Ugh - and now I am wondering if IN is now cooperating since I do not believe we have heard of an arrest yet? IMO there are others around him that knew something

I bet he kept quiet and she had the big mouth, ruining his perfect plans

 

[Trudie]

PF may have had some control over that money as the surviving parent. But my point is I don't think it was about money. For some reason, it became necessary to hide/get rid of her body and evidence.

I agree. I never considered financial gain as a motive. I don’t see KB having enough of an estate to for him to kill her. Jmo

This is interesting
What Happens to the Inheritance of a Minor Beneficiary

I’m sure Gitana can offer her input, too.

 

[oviedo]

Ita. IMO, baby K is the Bennie on any insurance policy KB might have. Therefore, PF would not get the money, imo. I’m not sure about CO, where I’m at the payout must be invested for the minor child.
Moo

It could also have been her mother IMO - in my state- you are not allowed to name a non-spouse, non-blood relative as the beneficiary - I know, I tried it. Was not accepted as a beneficiary so had to name a blood relative.

 

[Trudie]

There is also the chance he snapped and reacted angrily. And tossed all his murderous and premeditated plans out the window. Like a dumbass.

Holidays with family are usually a pretty big deal. Maybe there were plans between PF/KB for PF to pick up the baby for Thanksgiving dinner with his family (and without KB). Show off the cutie to everyone. This is a realistic possibility.

But KB got pissed for some reason and refused to hand the child off. PF seems the type to need to have to control, and in this situation, he would be getting played and jacked around by someone he seems to have grown to loathe. The cowboy needed that child, on that day, on Thanksgiving. Forcibly taking the child could have really turned ugly fast.

He apparently had some type of premeditated plan for murder, but maybe the plan never happened.

Kinda like one thing went awry destroying the entire plan, maybe.

 

[1mtroyal]

What? They still don't know if this was a man or woman? I thought it was easy to tell. Apparently the Coroner has not spoken. Most of the reports I have seen have headlines "The remains are not Kelsey's" Then the story says the CBI does not believe they are Kelsey's. As always, lots of confusion here. I imagine the Daily Mail is constantly calling and the authorities say something to drive them off. I can't use the Daily Mail, I have high speed but my computer takes forever to bring up the story. IMO

 

[oviedo]

I bet he kept quiet and she had the big mouth, ruining his perfect plans

yes - I agree.