CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #26 *ARREST*

[Trudie]

It could also have been her mother IMO - in my state- you are not allowed to name a non-spouse, non-blood relative as the beneficiary - I know, I tried it. Was not accepted as a beneficiary so had to name a blood relative.

Really? I’ve never heard of an insurance company requiring a blood relative must be the bennie. Interesting.
I’ve known 2-3 biz partners designating each other as their bennie. Tysm for this.

 

[MyBelle]

Ita. IMO, baby K is the Bennie on any insurance policy KB might have. Therefore, PF would not get the money, imo. I’m not sure about CO, where I’m at the payout must be invested for the minor child.
Moo

I think if there is an insurance policy on KB, then PF took it out and the beneficiary is himself. In fact, taking out such a policy may have been the first step in his plot to murder. Nothing in this case will surprise me. JMO

 

[oviedo]

I agree. I never considered financial gain as a motive. I don’t see KB having enough of an estate to for him to kill her. Jmo

This is interesting
What Happens to the Inheritance of a Minor Beneficiary

I’m sure Gitana can offer her input, too.

A guardianship needs to brought in my state when a minor is named as the beneficiary and the blood mother/father has no rights to the money except through the court. Every dime that is put in the locked account has to be petitioned by the guardian and approved by the Judge. I do not know how this works in Colorado. We just finished this exact scenario - surviving parent is not happy at all.

 

[Trudie]

I think if there is an insurance policy on KB, then PF took it out and the beneficiary is himself. In fact, taking out such a policy may have been the first step in his plot to murder. Nothing in this case will surprise me. JMO

If so, that just won’t look right. Thinking back to other cases. Man/woman insures new spouse for a million or more. Ooops, two months later someone cleaning their gun at 2am accidentally shoots himself.

 

[oviedo]

Really? I’ve never heard of an insurance company requiring a blood relative must be the bennie. Interesting.
I’ve known 2-3 biz partners designating each other as their bennie. Tysm for this.

I tried to name my best friend - United Healthcare denied my beneficiary designation and I had to name a blood relative. This is through work insurance - I know you can carry key-man (woman) policies which name each other/company as the beneficiary - private insurance IMO. If KB had a life insurance policy through her employer - she may have had a restriction like I do. If this is the case, she may have named her mother. No one really knows at this point. I just do not personally believe money was the motive. JMO

 

[Trudie]

A guardianship needs to brought in my state when a minor is named as the beneficiary and the blood mother/father has no rights to the money except through the court. Every dime that is put in the locked account has to be petitioned by the guardian and approved by the Judge. I do not know how this works in Colorado. We just finished this exact scenario - surviving parent is not happy at all.

Ditto. As it should be. If Jane Doe names her son Doe Doe as her bennie, she intends for him to have the money when he reaches adulthood, not for her boyfriend to gallivant from rodeo to rodeo, entertaining women. Moo

 

[Trudie]

I tried to name my best friend - United Healthcare denied my beneficiary designation and I had to name a blood relative. This is through work insurance - I know you can carry key-man (woman) policies which name each other/company as the beneficiary - private insurance IMO. If KB had a life insurance policy through her employer - she may have had a restriction like I do. If this is the case, she may have named her mother. No one really knows at this point. I just do not personally believe money was the motive. JMO

Wow.

 

[Sddaisy25]

One part noted in MSM which goes with taking the 5th. When he does he is declared guilty it stated.

I did not see the MSM report, so I do not know the exact wording they used however, as stated here, that is completely inaccurate. The difference in pleading the 5th in a criminal vs. a civil case is that when a defendant asserts their Fifth Amendment rights during a criminal trial, jurors are not permitted to take the refusal to testify into consideration when deciding whether a defendant is guilty. In a civil case, however, defendants are not protected against jury bias with respect to liability. This means that a jury is free to make inferences when a defendant chooses not to testify in a civil trial for fear of self-incrimination. This does NOT mean that they are "declared guilty."

 

[gngr~snap]

Why is that the Daily has these facts and not the American press?

They are headquartered in London, but have employees all over the US, from what I understand.
IMO their employees actually get their feet on the ground and find people to interview, rather than just cut and paste their news like many MSM outlets in the US.
Google them, they are on LinkedIn and GlassDoor as well.
Moo

 

[makayla]

If they planned this for months why not take her car with her in it on the trip to Idaho and then just drive it into a lake along the way? The final details of this are going to be weird I think.

This was the most puzzling part to me ... whether the story was that Kelsey was on her way to Washington or that she just left town for awhile, how could she have done that without her car? Crazy! Even though PF had time to plan, it appears he lacked the brain to carry it out successfully.

 

[heartgoesout]

Reminded of my little dog every time I see this post.

lol lol lol
I was thinking is there another way to "mark my spot"? So hard keeping up.

 

[zecats]

lol lol lol
I was thinking is there another way to "mark my spot"? So hard keeping up.

Maybe use the post number and thread number. Your post is #871. That's what I do, anyway, if I really want to pick up exactly where I left off.

 

[oviedo]

Wow.

Yep - most people may not know this because they naturally name their spouse or adult children (depending on the age). I'm sure each insurance company/benefits plan is different - this is just how mine is. They said she had no "special interest" in me because we were not married or blood related.

 

[Nudgee]

Yes. But most people don’t have months to plan what to do with a body, nor do they have several days in which to actually carry out the disposal.

My guess that she wasn’t dumped above ground, or buried in a shallow grave.

Oh no, don’t go there...... I never could get past one particular episode of Breaking Bad....

 

[makayla]

Im going with Door #3 too.

Wouldnt it be something if we find out he dumped her purse and body down a mineshaft and went back to retrieve her car but he had forgotten the keys to her car were in her purse.

That would be hysterical!!!!

 

[Trudie]

Marking spot.

What does this mean?

Tysm

 

[Mom24]

That’s the confusing thing. What exactly PF planned to make this look like, and how and if his plan changed along the way.

The cell phone activity makes sense if he was trying to create a scenario in which Kelsey left on some sort of a road trip.

But it makes no sense if she didn’t have the means to get there.

Chris Watts probably planned to make it look like Shanann left on her own, but his plan was thwarted when his time was cut short by SW’s friend.

He didn’t have a chance to dump her belongings and vehicle.

PF had over a week to make this look the way he wanted it to look, and the way he made it look doesn’t make a lot of sense.

Because of the car.

So one of three things could have occurred:

We are wrong about how he planned to make this look.

Something inhibited him from dumping her car.

He’s a dumbass.

I’m going with the latter.

I think he's incredibly stupid, and he's a person who's been able to sell his bulldoodles for years. He's sold it so long, he's buying it himself. Look, a smart criminal would have taken at least one vehicle and driven it somewhere and ditched it. Not only was he not smart, he was a moron in that he didn't even pack one change of clothes. Goodness gracious even a 2nd grader would grab a few articles of clothing and burn them or take them with the body. He does none of this. Instead he has his gf take his fiance's phone to her home, send a couple of texts and then think he's going to get away with it. Stupid and lazy. OH and let's not forget he solicits his fiance's murder three times. He doesn't need to talk, his stupid and lazy actions are telling the story for him.

 

[Mom24]

I think after he killed KB he realized that her home is so "exposed" it made it impossible for PF to take her car without being seen doing it. JMO

I don't think he did that even that much thinking. He's lazy, that's why he wanted to find someone else to kill her. That's why he had his gf drive 22 hours to get a phone and bring it back home. It's probably why he mooches off his mommy too.

 

[Elley Mae]

They are headquartered in London, but have employees all over the US, from what I understand.
IMO their employees actually get their feet on the ground and find people to interview, rather than just cut and paste their news like many MSM outlets in the US.
Google them, they are on LinkedIn and GlassDoor as well.
Moo

I read it daily, plus they have great pictures in their articles of locations.

 

[Blueberry2720]

I think it just means there are witnesses named in the affidavit (likely the solicitees, etc.) who are NOT to be contacted by PF while he is in jail. There are also likely various family members listed in it, and he is permitted to speak to them.

IMO

What if a family member, even a distant one, is a solicitee? Frankly, I seriously doubt it, but LE and the Berreths' lawyers must be confident there are no family members involved at any level. Maybe it is spelled out that only certain family members can be contacted.